posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 12:11 PM
Did you say that the Book of Revelation (The Apocalypse of Yohanon the Levite, whoever he was) actually used the word "ANTI-CHRIST"?
Where, pray tell?
You'd better read the text of Revelation again. Very Carefully.
I have a copy of the Greek text of the book in front of me (there are 27 families of variant MSS of this book in the Greek, none of which match
exactly, and many that have over 50 marginalia comments worked into the text over the years...the "lying pen of the scribes!" and I do NOT see the
word "antichrist" appearing in either the text or in any of the margins.
I see words like, "Serpent", "Dragon", (in one margin: "the old Devil, also called Satan",) "Beast" and "False Prophet", etc. but not the
That term only occurs in the writer of epistles of Yohanon the Elder (1, 2 and 3 John)
Why do so many people on this thread think the word ANTICHRIST appears in the Book of "Revelation" (which itself barely got voted into the Bible at
all those Bishopric Councils in AD 361-460)?
This just goes to show how many people like to run with hear-say when it comes to the "contents" of the Bible...!
Also: the book has NOTHING to do with present day Iraq.
For those "preterists" among us, (who believe the "prophecies" in the book have "already come to pass during the Jewish War of AD 66) we can see
that the Apocalypse (from the Greek APO = remove and KALUPS = VEIL, which would mean "removal of the Veil, i.e. reveal-ation) was written in
extremely bad Koine Greek around AD 66/67, i.e. in the middle of the 1st Jewish Revolt against Rome, which according to the book itself, the Jews
The text of this book is very badly translated from Hebrew and Aramaic sources into a kind of mid 1st century Koine Greek which is hard to make any
sense of (verbal nouns and other howlers make this very cumbersome for the scholars).
The thrust of the book seems to be a Message of Hope for the soon to be Martyrs whose blood was about to be slain by the Oppressors of the Word---and
it looks as if the writers were still in the thick of the Jewish War when they were writing....still living in hope of a victory against Rome...and
those who were her puppets in Jerusalem (i.e. the Woman on a Scarlet beast)
NEWSFLASH : to all those who believe the contents of that book are in any way true:
THE JEWS LOST THE WAR AGAINST ROME by AD 70 (over 800,000 Palestinian Jews and Samaritans were killed by the Romans, mainly due to starvation between
AD 66 and 72, when Masada finally caved in) and the 2nd Temple of Herod was burned to the ground with only the western retaining wall standing---and
NO NEW JERUSALEM ever came down from heaven....
Why on earth do so many people think this book could possibly have any relevance today in the West?
The So-called Book of Revelation was orignally a JEWISH APOCALYPSE later RE-WRITTEN BY CHRISTIANS AFTER THE 1st JEWISH WAR AGAINST ROME, and freely
quotes and misquotes from the Old Testament and Apocrypha-Pseudipigrapha prophecies which were meant to suggest that they would WIN THE WAR using
references from: e.g. Plagues of Egypt sections in Exodus (probably using an Aramaic paraphrase as its source, known as a Targum), it also does the
same thing with the books of Daniel, Deutero-Zechariah chapters 9 to 14, Hezekiel chapter 37 and 39 as well as the Anti Babylonian Sections of
Hezekiel, the Book of Jeremiah (especially the anti-Babylonian sections), Proto (chapters 1-39) and Deutero Isaiah chapters 40-55) as well as Trito
Isaiah (chapters 56-66), the End of Days sections of Joel and Malachi and various Psalms (and I Henoch)--as well as the LITURGY OF THE 2nd TEMPLE
(notice all the hymn singing Levites grouped into 24 families of harp players standing (or rather, bowing) in front of the Throne Platform, and the
Holy of Holies cubic dimensions and all the 12 walls and gates etc. which were part of the Vision of the Temple of Hezekiel and Herod's 2nd Temple
Complex), not to mention all the sacrificial language (the Lamb that was Slain etc.).
I think most Christians on this thread are unaware they are dealing with a primarily Jewish-Messianic Document which has nothing to do with
"Babylon" literally, but everything to do with Rome (and the Jewish War against Rome).
The Trumpet call at the beginning (shofar) of Yohanon's Vision of the Future, shows that the text was making a reference to the Feast of Trumpets in
the month of Tishri (September), 10 days before the Day of Atonement, a period which the Rebbes to this day use as a period of Reflective-Prophecy
into the Future year to come and much of the imagery found in the contents of the book of Revelation follows the Daily Psalms which were regularly
sung at the Tamid sacrifices (morning and evening) in the 2nd Temple before Rome burnt it down:
Monday = Psalm 48,
Tuesday =Psalm 82,
Wed = Psalm 94,
Thursday =Psalm 81,
Friday =Psalm 93
and Saturday (Sabbath) =Psalm 92.
Read the texts of these TAMID psalms, and you'll see dozens of references in the Book of Revelation which are handled "midrashically" (i.e. as
theological expansions) =28: "Lift up your heads o ye gates that the King of Glory may come in.." "the earth is YHWH's, and the fullness
thereof", 48: Great is YHWH in the mountain of his holiness...kings were assembled and were dispersed....he who breaketh apart the ships of
Tarshish...Walk about Zion, count her gates...count her towers...mark her bulworks and her palaces...82: How long will ye judge unjustly o YHWH and
allow the wicked to prosper? Deliver the Poor and the Needy O Elohim....Arise o El to Judge the earth...94: Arise O YHWH elohim, shew thyself, to whom
all Vengeance belongeth...how Long Shall the Wicked Triumph, those that utter vain things boast? Behold Judgement shall return in Righteousness in
that Day. YHWH shall cut the wicked off in that Day...81: SIng a Psalm to El our Strength: blow the Trumpet on our solemn feast Day: In that Day ye
shall not worship any foreign god...open thy mouth, so that I may fill it....93: YHWH reigns as King, clothed with majesty and Strength..thy
Testimonies are Sure, and Holiness bedecks thy house...thy Throne is Established as of old...YHWH is lifted up higher than the Noise of Many
Waters...92: It is good to give Thanks to YHWH and to sing prasies to his name: fo lo thy enemies shall all perish: the Righteous ones shall flourish
like the Palm tree, yea they shall flourish in the Courtyards of our clan-god. Play upon the Psaltery, even upon the harp with 10 strings...
Anyone trying the make sense of this Apocalypse will not be able to until he considers all of the "liturgical" ingredients which have to do with the
2nd Temple Liturgy which permeates its language, all expressed in the context of the Jewish War against Rome.
The Book of Revelation has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with present day Iraq, despite all the quotes from Jeremiah's prophecies taken from the OT that
"Babylon" (i.e. Rome) would be the devastated and empty hunting ground of jackals and other desert animals.
To interpret such phrases literally would be missing the entire point the author was trying to make----to give hope to those facing martyrdom during a
cruel and sensless war which cost so many innocent lives 40 years after the martyr's death of "Jeeeezuz".