David Myatt - Satanic Islamist?

Originally posted by darpaint5
Might I suggest that you read the blog before posting comments in future.

May I ask you to answer the question about Myatt - the subject of all your rants and all your blogs - that you have been asked for over a year but have failed to answer.

The question is - do you or do you not believe that David Myatt is or was a covert MI5 operative?



[edit on 12-5-2010 by raffy13]

David Myatt – Embarrassing New Picture

An embarrassing new picture of David Myatt has emerged, exposing David Myatt as a mystical philosopher preaching compassion, empathy, love, tolerance, and personal honor.

In a shocking blog - davidmyatt.wordpress.com – former neo-nazi and ex-Jihadist ideologue Myatt writes at length about his pathei-mathos, and describes himself, in terms redolent of tracts such as The Cloud of Unknowing, as a foolish failure:

” I am such a fool; such a failure, in evolutionary terms, in the perspective of the Cosmos. Here I am, entering the sixth decade of my life, having spent the last forty years seeking experience and wisdom and having, in that time, made so many errors, mistakes, and been the cause of much suffering, personal and otherwise…..

There is no excuse for this failure of mine, year following year – although of course I have always made excuses for myself, as failures often do. Wordy, moral-sounding, inexcusable excuses almost always of the unethical “the end justifies the means” kind.

No excuses – because from sorrow, from personal tragedy, I felt, dis-covered, the unethical nature of all abstractions, be they deemed political, religious, or social…”

davidmyatt.wordpress.com...

The links below explode the mythology surrounding David Myatt, and document the mystical and ethical philosophy – called The Numinous Way – he has developed over the past ten years, which philosophy is based upon a desire for a cessation of suffering.

A former political opponent of Myatt – Nosferatu Baggins, editor of the anti-fascist magazine Dimlight – said, last night: “I don’t believe a word of it. Although I’ve never bothered to read any of Myatt’s writings about this so-called Numinous Way, and have never read any of his poetry or his published letters, either, I’m sticking to my view that he’s a dangerous, sinister, man who should not be approached as he always carries a weapon and has been known to cull his enemies, although since he lives in a fantasy world of his own he’s basically harmless. This new blog of his is probably some kind of ploy to support the warped neo-nazi satanic theories he undoubtedly still believes in, although it’s true I haven’t got any evidence for this opinion of mine…..”

The notorious MOAC – who has stalked Myatt for years – was unavailable for comment last night at his home in Broadmoor.

Source - hatingmyatt.wordpress.com...

How strange. After years of flat denials that David Myatt is a Satanist, there is an abrupt 'U' turn. A sock puppet appears from nowhere saying,

'So what? Who cares if Myatt's a satanist? What's the big deal - today - about satanism?'.

Could this be anything to do with the fact that somebody has assembled a huge amount of well documented evidence from a plethora of sources and put it in one place

voiceoverthere.wordpress.com...

The entire 'David Myatt empire' is collapsing under the weight of forty years of lies.

University academic, Jacob C. Senholt, has this to say about David Myatt's overall control of perverted Satanist cult, 'The Order of Nine Angles' :


"Myatt’s influence on the ONA is probably the biggest of all, with Myatt practically developing around 90% of the current order material available, and his ideas of for example the evolution of man into a new species, the Homo Galactica, is an idea we also see present in Myatt’s work (i.e. as Myatt himself and not as Long) (Myatt, Vindex: Destiny of the West, 1984)."

This is David Myatt writing about establishing Aryan space colonies, from National Socialist 'Reichsfolk ' texts:


"seed ourselves across the stars."

This is David Myatt writing about establishing Aryan space colonies, using the pseudonym of Satanist, 'Anton Long' :

"is the aiding of our species to seed the stars."

Myatt again:

[We are]......the very cosmos itself"

Now Myatt writing under his Satanic pseudonym, 'Anton Long':

"we who are the Cosmos"

David Myatt:

"........the exploration, conquest and settlement of that final frontier which is Outer Space"

David Myatt as 'Anton Long'


" the exploration conquest and settlement of Outer Space"

Is it any wonder that the 'David Myatt' hate sites are now changing tack and saying that Satanism isn't really dangerous at all.

I refer you to my previous message:

'You may consider Satanism to be a 'religion', but if it results in the death of an unborn child and many other people, it becomes a dangerous religion and a matter of public concern.'

As someone who didn't know about Myatt before, I must admit I am finding a lot of Internet sites discussing him and satanism. Raffy is writing on some blogs with pages which strongly suggest that David Myat is a satanist.

So just what is your position raffy?

Do you own the blog, or are you just commenting ? After your angry words to darpain, how come you dont do the same to other people on the blog?

I still feel undecided about all this because darpain has produced this massive blog, yet its the first ive heard of this Myatt guy. Does he actually exist or are you playing wit us?

Alot of raffys discussion about Myat is also contradictory, so yeah, I am confused.

Originally posted by darpaint5
How strange. After years ...

of you obsessively posting anti-Myatt tirades, you still haven't answered one simple question -


Do you or do you not believe Myatt is or was a covert operative for MI5 as suggested by the following article which gives detailed references?

aboutmyatt.wordpress.com...

Why do you keep avoiding this question of whether or not Myatt is or was a State agent provocateur?

I'm sure most folks here on this forum would to know the answers - especially since this is a forum which deals in such matters.

Originally posted by rollerpaxen
So just what is your position raffy?

First off, I'd like to point out that the person obsessed with Myatt who posts here and elsewhere has never answered one very simple question.

Which is - Does he or does he not believe Myatt is or was a covert operative for MI5 as suggested by the following article which gives detailed references?

That is, is (or was) Myatt a State agent provocateur?

aboutmyatt.wordpress.com...

An interesting question, don't you think?

If Myatt was then his whole life makes a heck of lot of sense - from involvement with Column 88, part of NATO's clandestine Gladio network, to his role in Combat 18 and the NSM, to his alleged influence on David Copeland, and to his involvement with Jihadi Muslims and support for bin Laden.

Another interesting question - is why is this daftpaint guy spending so much time making accusations about Myatt? Why the Myatt obsession, spanning years?

As for your other questions - people have been claiming, for thirty years, that Myatt is a Satanist. No one had ever produced any evidence - and just quoting someone else's opinion, as the MOAC does, is not evidence, just the fallacy of the appeal to authority.

As for blogs, my own blog is here

aboutmyatt.wordpress.com...

It's just about Myatt - pro and con, such as the rather anti-Myatt item at

aboutmyatt.wordpress.com...

and stuff from mainstream media like

aboutmyatt.wordpress.com...




[edit on 17-5-2010 by raffy13]

Originally posted by darpaint5
'You may consider Satanism to be a 'religion', but if it results in the death of an unborn child and many other people, it becomes a dangerous religion and a matter of public concern.'

So by your illogic Christianity is a dangerous religion, as is Islam - because some of those belonging to those religions have been killing people, including women and children, for centuries, by the millions, in wars, and otherwise.

You don't get it do you? The question of so-called satanism is irrelevant.

Anyway - you never define *satanism*. So, what do you mean this *satanism* which you keep going on about?

Also - answer this, why are you obsessed with Myatt?

Why aren't you obsessed with and upset by unsolved murders such as the killing of Jill Dando? Or the killing of Jessie James in Manchester?

Or serial murders such as the Daytona Beach killer? Or the Milwaukee North Side Strangler?

Here's a quote about Myatt that the Myatt-obsessed poster here (and elsewhere) has no answer to, and which is very relevant to this forum, about secrets and conspiracy theories -

” Is Myatt an agent provocateur, a #-disturber who can’t settle upon a radical philosophy, something more, or something less? It’s difficult to assess motive, but consider that he has been arrested numerous times for such things as writing and disseminating “practical terrorist guides” on suspicion of conspiracy to murder. These cases have always been dropped due to “lack of evidence.” Does he enjoy protection? The record is suggestive that he does. And if it appears so, then we should ask the next question: Why?
Myatt may seem to have flitted from one politico-religious philosophy to another, but there is a terrible thread of continuity and rigour through his life and writings that suggests he is much more than a disingenuous provocateur. Naziism and Islamicism have served, in turn, as modalities of disruption for what remains at core an occult working to sow general chaos and division – the necessary passage of “Helter Skelter” to break down the Old Order, before the founding of the New.
So again: whose interests are served by there being a David Myatt? Is he is own man – or men – or does he belong to someone else? Or is it something else – an intelligence service perhaps… ”

Source - Jeff Wells, Rigorous Intuition blog, August 2005 rigorousintuition.blogspot.com...


Thus, in this type of scenario, Myatt is alleged to be some kind of 5GW operative – someone who:

” …..does ‘spooky action at a distance’ - who is acting on behalf of those “powers-behind-the-scenes” that like to use chaos, and especially socalled “terrorist attacks”, as a pretext for increased government control, increased surveillance, and government tyranny. That is, such an operative is a new version of the traditional “spook” – someone who works alone and is ruthless.”

More at - aboutmyatt.wordpress.com..."

I was trying to spare Myatt's blushes 'raffy' but if you insist.

I have no comment to make on David Myatt's involvement with MI5, except to suggest that he might not make the grade.

My understanding is that they would probably want someone with an honors degree from a good university, not a dropout with a criminal record.

Does that pacify you 'raffy' ?

Originally posted by darpaint5
I was trying to spare Myatt's blushes

Your stupid *assumption* is that all spies, intelligence agents, covert operatives and those who do black ops have a Uni degree! LOL!

Your other stupid *assumption* is that Myatt always had a *criminal record* LOL! Even when he was at Uni!

You see, here we have the reason why your tirades against Myatt are bunk - because you blurt forth your prejudiced opinion about Myatt, about whom you know nothing because your info about him comes only from the 'Net, a notorious source of lies, damn lies, rumors, and bunk.

Whereas my info comes from *the real world*, from talking with people, tracking down folk, doing good old fashioned leg work, and researching archives, libraries, and so on. This takes a long time - months; a year or more.

Now, if you had done any real, proper, research, you might have found out some of the things I and others like me have found, about Myatt.

As it is, your opinions about Myatt - and the so-called information you give about him - are worthless. The information you give based on your so-called "research" is laughable and the product of your prejudice and your obsessions.

Why?

Here's your starter for ten - what officially documented incident occurred at Manchester airport, in the early 1990's, when Myatt was on his way to Derry? Hint - Derry, as in Northern Ireland.

Give up?

Here's your next starter for ten - what did Myatt do at Charlie's Sargent's trial that so annoyed the Judge that Myatt was given a warning from the clerk of the Court?

Give up?

Here's your next starter for ten - what officially documented incident involving Myatt occurred in October 1999?

Time's up!

Well, there we have it - you failed. Score: You (the MOAC) 0 Raffy 30

Fact is, you don't know anything at all about Myatt - except what you've read about him on the 'Net or what you've imagined or fantasized about him or want to believe about him.

Fact is, you're obsessed with Myatt and with them *London nail-bombings* and with *satanism* - obsessed with, for some really weird reason.

Which basically means you're a nutjob, a wacko - who gets a kick from flooding forums with bunk stuff about your obsessions.

A nutjob, a wacko - who gets a kick from setting up dozens of blogs about Myatt and spreading lies about him.

Fact is, you seem to need Myatt - "Myatt as The Dark Lord". Myatt as "Satanic Grand Master", as The Evil One. Myatt as Balewa.

Now - scurry along and do a quick google for *balewa*. 'Cos if you knew anything at all about real *satanism* you'd already know what it meant, LOL!

After you've found the meaning, feel free to post some more anti-Myatt rants and set up some more anti-Myatt blogs.

For you're the best recruiter the ONA has ever had!

Originally posted by darpaint5

I have no comment to make on David Myatt's involvement with MI5

Why not?

Why don't you answer the question? What are you afraid of? What are you hiding?

Originally posted by darpaint5I have no comment to make on David Myatt's involvement with MI5,

How very odd! No comment, eh? Why not?

It's odd you won't comment about this, since you've spent years making comments about and ranting about Myatt - in hundreds of posts on forums like this, and on your dozen or so anti-Myatt blogs.

Just why won't you answer this simple question I asked about whether or not you believe that Myatt was (or still is) an MI5 operative?

In the face of mounting evidence, the question is no longer whether David Myatt is a practicing Satanist.

Instead we must ask - if Myatt has lied about Satanism, can we trust anything he says?

Below is a typically duplicitous extract from the internet texts of David Myatt:

".....trying to discredit me with their lying "black propaganda" about my non-existent involvement with satanism..."

The reader will note that Myatt claims his involvement with Satanism is 'non-existent'. Yet in the same article he contradicts himself with:

".....I conceived a plan to use or if necessary create secret Occult-type groups...."

(Source, web.archive.org...
Autobiographical Notes, David Myatt, Part One, Addendum II: Combat 18)

The blog
voiceoverthere.wordpress.com...

asks the simple question, "Which of the above statements is a lie?"

And this is the crux of the problem with all of David Myatt's work.

David Myatt certainly likes the company of Satanists - in fact many of them are his lifelong friends. Journalist and documentary film maker Nick Lowels, has this to say about Myatt's long term friendship with a confirmed Satanist:

"Myatt was also forced to concede that NSM (National Socialist Movement) supporter Richard Moult was 'Christos Beest', the new leader of ONA, [Order of Nine Angles Satanist sect] and that he was actually living with Moult and his partner."
"White Riot: The Violent Story of Combat 18" (Milo Books, Bury 2001, p 186-7.

And as part of this regular 'cosying-up' with practicing Satanists, Myatt helps out with editorial duties on written work by 'Cristos Beest'
web.archive.org...://mysatan.ning.com/profile/Karnamagos

David Myatt even 'co-authors' 'The Black Book of Satanism' with his alter-ego, 'Anton Long'.
www.amazon.co.uk...=nosim/schildnet0a

And then there is Myatt's lifelong friend, Stephen Cox who also just happens to be involved in Satanism as well!

In an early edition of occult publication 'The Heretic', Stephen Cox is flogging a journal which includes a section on Satanism.

"JOURNAL: Pan-European (inc. Mythology; Folklore; History; Magick;
SATANISM; Runes; Warriorship;........

ENQUIRIES: (in strict confidence) full details: 24 page book/forms/latest
zine send 4$/œ2 or = IRC's
ADDRESS: Nautonier: Stephen Cox, 60 Elmhurst Road, Reading, Berks.
RG15HY, England. U.K."

textfiles.com...

A "non-existent involvement with satanism"? No its just another pack of lies, isn't it Dave?


The following extract from Nick Lowels' book, 'White Riot, shows Myatt's card house of lies collapsing about his ears:

"In mid-March 1998, Myatt met this author in a pub in the Shropshire farming town of Craven Arms to deny allegations that he was a Satanist. Arriving in his customary Barbour jacket, flat cap and corduroys, the ginger bearded nazi claimed to have only briefly flirted with 'the occult' some twenty-five years before. He denied any connection to the Order of Nine Angles (ONA) but was forced to admit that he had opened four P. O. boxes from which the cult had operated between 1983 and 1994. 'I only opened them as a favour for a friend,' he lamely commented. When pressed with evidence that his own political writings had been distributed from these addresses, he said that the box was shared by a friend whose identity he had promised to keep secret."

"White Riot: The Violent Story of Combat 18" (Milo Books, Bury 2001, p 186-7.


So Myatt "denied any connection to the Order of Nine Angles", yet he has worked on books with leading members, lived with them and counts them amongst his best friends.

A terrible conflagration in the underwear department for the miniature bearded one methinks.

For more about David Myatt's Satanist past and his Satanist present read more at:

voiceoverthere.wordpress.com...

And also see:

rigorousintuition.yuku.com...

truthisgolden.wordpress.com...

kerridelacruz.wordpress.com...

www.indymedia.org.uk...

publish.indymedia.org.uk...

publish.indymedia.org.uk...

publish.indymedia.org.uk...

www.declarepeace.org.uk...

Originally posted by darpaint5For more about David Myatt's Satanist past and his Satanist present read more at:

voiceoverthere.wordpress.com...

Your blog got shut down for posting malicious libellous lies.

As for your quotes and other links - you're committing the logical fallacy called *appeal to authority* where you quote the opinions and views of others to support your own beliefs.

That you use a fallacy is indicative of the level of your so-called information.

You mention Lowles - who was such a good journalist that he lied about where Myatt was living at the time of his interview. Lowles claimed Myatt was living with CB - when Myatt never was, and at the time was living near Malvern, as any reputable journalist could easily have confirmed, and as the Police well knew.

Heck, Myatt even invited Lowles to his house near Malvern, but Lowles was so afraid he didn't go!

Even when Lowles met Myatt at Craven Arms he took along an ex-SAS man as a bodyguard because he was afraid of Myatt!

Nick Ryan was so afraid, he bottled out of his first arranged meeting with Myatt, on the Malvern hills and insisted instead on meeting in a public place with lots of people around, where he felt safe.

BTW, as for your comments about Myatt, here's an interesting quote which explains why you keep trying to demean him:

Most interesting of all, however, is a particular delusional mechanism, of compensation, which the MOAC uses. This delusional method of control involves the MOAC in ridiculing “that man” in an attempt to show that he is not really a threat. This delusion of control allows the MOAC to feel safe – for the more he ridicules “that man”, the more powerful the MOAC feels. This a classic way in which certain types of people (those suffering from personality disorders, for instance, or cowards, bullies, and weaklings) try to rationalize away their own fears – for the more they, in their own minds, ridicule the object of their fear, the more important and powerful they themselves feel.

In fact, often they end up projecting an image of themselves – real (what they really look like) or imaginary (what they feel they are, inside) – onto the object of their hatred or onto the person they are obsessed with in a negative way."