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Will America break up? (Probably)

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posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 01:15 AM
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An interesting article.

And I hope it does happen... but that after the US breaks up, it comes together again when each state has cleaned itself from the anti-constitution trash infesting it.

The only problem with the article : the author thinks it's a ``liberal vs conservatives``... when in fact it's a CONSTITUTIONALISTS VS BIG GOVERNMENT...

He makes several good points.



By Jeffrey T. Kuhner
Washington Times Opinion

President Obama is splintering America. The passage of Obamacare was a historic victory for liberal governance. Yet, its true cost may be that it triggers the eventual breakup of the country.

Mr. Obama has achieved what his liberal predecessors - Franklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon B. Johnson, Bill Clinton - could only dream of: nationalized health care. Obamacare signifies the government take-over of one-sixth of the U.S. economy. It has dealt a mortal blow to traditional America. We are now a European-style socialist welfare state. The inevitable permanent tax hikes, massive public bureaucracy and liberal ruling elites will stifle competition and initiative.

Republicans vow to repeal Obamacare. Their past record, however, leaves many conservatives rightly skeptical. Since FDR's New Deal, Big-Government liberalism has been on the march - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Department of Education. The Republican Party has been unable to roll back the tide of statism. In fact, under Richard Nixon and both George Bushes, Great Society Republicans have been complicit in erecting a nanny state.

Socialism is the road to economic ruin and fiscal bankruptcy. It subverts democracy, threatening the very future of our constitutional republic. Socialist states degenerate into some form of autocracy or technocratic neo-feudalism, whereby the productive class is taxed and exploited to sustain a growing dependent class. Factions are pitted against each other; groups vie for handouts at the expense of their fellow citizens. The bonds of economic union and national solidarity slowly dissolve.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not," warned Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson was right: Redistributionist welfare policies are undermining our democracy. The resentments in America are growing. Tea Partiers believe that their government no longer represents their interests or values. The heartland is becoming dangerously alienated from the political class, whom it feels has betrayed them.

Obamacare may be the last straw. It strips away fundamental economic liberties, empowering the federal government to de facto nationalize everyone's body by controlling our health. Americans are compelled - upon pain of penalty and eventual imprisonment - to purchase insurance.

Moreover, the law codifies the federal funding of abortion. Taxpayer dollars will be used to subsidize the murder of innocent life. Hence, Mr. Obama has violated the social compact: He has abrogated the conscience of pro-lifers, making them tacitly complicit in the slaughter of the unborn. Obamacare is a radical assault upon fundamental religious freedoms.

The Obama revolution threatens to tear America apart. This has happened before. Slavery eventually triggered the Civil War between the industrial North and the agrarian South. Abortion is the slavery of our time - the denying of basic human rights to an entire category of people.

The bitter debate over Obamacare has exposed the country's profound divisions. We are no longer one nation or one people. Rather, there are now two Americas: one conservative, the other liberal. Increasingly, we no longer just disagree but we despise each other.

Our disagreements encompass everything - politics, morality, culture and history. We no longer share a unifying essence or common values. One half of America believes abortion is an abomination; the other half considers any attempt to repeal it as oppressive and sexist. One half opposes homosexual unions because it elevates immoral and unnatural behavior to the sacred status of marriage; the other half supports it as an extension of civil rights. One half reviles Mr. Obama's socialist agenda, viewing it as the destruction of capitalism and our constitutional government; the other half embraces it as the culmination of social justice and economic equality. One half reveres America's heroes - Christopher Columbus, George Washington, James Madison, Davy Crockett - and its glorious history; the other half is ashamed of its past, seeing it as characterized by racism, imperialism and chauvinism.

Ultimately, a country is not simply its geographical borders with the people inside of it. It is something more - and deeper. A nation must share a common heritage, language, culture, faith and myths. Once upon a time, Americans celebrated the same heroes, sang the same patriotic songs, read the same history and literature, and gloried in its exceptional nature: a city upon a hill, with liberty and freedom for all. It was understood that, for all of our different ethnic and religious backgrounds, America is a product of English and Christian civilization. Those days are long gone.

Instead, we are going the way our Founding Fathers warned us against: increasing balkanization and sectionalism. A constitutional republic - unlike an empire - is only as strong as its national cohesion. It is based not on imperial coercion but civic consent. Mr. Obama is recklessly pulling at the strings of unity, further polarizing us.

In confronting Obamacare, state sovereignty, states' rights and state nullification of federal laws are being asserted. This is what happened in the 1830s and 1840s. They are the signs of growing political anarchy and social frustration - people can only be pushed so far. Mr. Obama's drive for a socialist super-state threatens America's very existence. As Jefferson warned about slavery, it is time we start ringing the "fire bell in the night."

"Things fall apart; the center cannot hold," wrote William Butler Yeats. "Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world."

Conservatives will not be passive in this onslaught on all our core values. Mr. Obama's true legacy may be that he divides us deeper than ever before - unless
he abandons his revolutionary project.

Unless he abandons his revolutionary project... WHICH HE WON'T since it's not his but the elite's.

[edit on 6-4-2010 by Vitchilo]




posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 08:28 AM
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So the main objections to Obama's hcr's are the cost to the tax payer, the destruction of private enterprise and a lurch towards a Socialist state?



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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The author of this piece has some great information - but it spews it forth with a distasteful obvious slant. Several paragraphs in the mode switches from a long standing "shared" method of operating that had been propagated by all administrations since Nixon - to blaming the current adminstration. I agree with many of the author's points about the facts and situations, but just can't stomach the presentation of his "analysis" and "insight". It's poorly presented propaganda in my opinion - a pity because the information might actually have held some value without all the emotive rhetoric.

gj



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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America has broken apart before. Most countries do break up. We're a very large block of land to maintain cohesion forever. But I seriouslly doubt it would be over healthcare and socialism. We will eventually be there anyway. As will the entire planet. I don't believe we are evolved enough as a people to sustain it yet. But one day perhaps.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 01:09 PM
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Lets hope it breaks up.

Stick the jesus freaks in the south, the hippie/socialist loving losers on the east and west coasts, and let freedom loving Americans inhabit the middle of the country.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by brainwrek
Lets hope it breaks up.

Stick the jesus freaks in the south, the hippie/socialist loving losers on the east and west coasts, and let freedom loving Americans inhabit the middle of the country.


Segregation all over again, eh?

I don't favor that at all. It's a grand idea until each "region" starts developing their own currency, their own rules, their own military, their own constitution, their own dictators and tyrants, etc. and people from regions travel amongst other regions and unwillingly/unknowingly break the laws. Then what?

You think the American government is tyrannical now, you ain't seen nothing yet if the states were to break up into individually ruled regions. Check out what an autocracy is and tell me that doesn't scare the bejeezus out of you.

The U.S. won't break up. If it does ever happen it will be because another nation has invaded and conquered us, but our government won't allow us to break up.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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That article is so full of straw men that I swear I saw Dorothy peaking her head out... I mean "liberal ruling elites"? Give me a break.

This is another bunch of hot air that conveniently ignores the facts. Like the fact that capitalist health care is the world's most expensive.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by brainwrek
Lets hope it breaks up.

Stick the jesus freaks in the south, the hippie/socialist loving losers on the east and west coasts, and let freedom loving Americans inhabit the middle of the country.


wow you sound like a major hatemonger. its good to see how you "freedom loving americans" act



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Alien Mind

Originally posted by brainwrek
Lets hope it breaks up.

Stick the jesus freaks in the south, the hippie/socialist loving losers on the east and west coasts, and let freedom loving Americans inhabit the middle of the country.


wow you sound like a major hatemonger. its good to see how you "freedom loving americans" act


Take out the jesus freaks and the parasitic leftists, and what are we left with? People who just want to be left alone and for the government to stay the hell out of our lives.

Nothing wrong with that at all.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by brainwrek

Originally posted by Alien Mind

Originally posted by brainwrek
Lets hope it breaks up.

Stick the jesus freaks in the south, the hippie/socialist loving losers on the east and west coasts, and let freedom loving Americans inhabit the middle of the country.


wow you sound like a major hatemonger. its good to see how you "freedom loving americans" act


Take out the jesus freaks and the parasitic leftists, and what are we left with? People who just want to be left alone and for the government to stay the hell out of our lives.

Nothing wrong with that at all.


still the hatemonger



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by brainwrek

Originally posted by Alien Mind

Originally posted by brainwrek
Lets hope it breaks up.

Stick the jesus freaks in the south, the hippie/socialist loving losers on the east and west coasts, and let freedom loving Americans inhabit the middle of the country.


wow you sound like a major hatemonger. its good to see how you "freedom loving americans" act


Take out the jesus freaks and the parasitic leftists, and what are we left with? People who just want to be left alone and for the government to stay the hell out of our lives.

Nothing wrong with that at all.


and not every republican believes in god. people like you make me sick thinking your better then everyone else. acting as if you have a right to bash everyone else



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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Quite the contrary, I'm not hateful at all. Just tired of others trying to impose their beliefs on me and my wallet. I just want to be left alone.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 03:17 PM
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If they would stop giving people reasons to bash them, I'm sure the jesus freaks and parasitic leftists wouldnt feel the wrath of others.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by brainwrek
reply to post by Alien Mind
 


If they would stop giving people reasons to bash them, I'm sure the jesus freaks and parasitic leftists wouldnt feel the wrath of others.


if they were making you do something then you would be at church every sunday but your not



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by brainwrek
reply to post by Alien Mind
 


Quite the contrary, I'm not hateful at all. Just tired of others trying to impose their beliefs on me and my wallet. I just want to be left alone.


Its a two way street. if you want them to leave you alone then i suggest you leave them alone. and no they are not imposing anything on you. No one is dragging you out of your house and into church and no one is making you give them money. stop acting as if your the victim because your not.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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No one is making me give them money? Should I run down the list of unconstitutional income redistribution policies put in place by people the aforementioned asshats put in power?



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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The author of that rant is incredibly misinformed.

1) Nowhere in the HCB does it say the government will sponsor abortions. They had to leave out this part because it violates a previous law stating that no federal funds may be used for abortions.

2) The government doesn't "take over" the insurance industry. All those private companies still exist, they are not owned by the government!! Again, claiming insurance and medicare is now all run by government is complete nonsense. PRIVATE companies provide insurance and medicare.

3) And yeah, about the US splitting up...wanna wager a bet?



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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I do not think the question is "Will America break up?" but rather "When America will break up."

As history has shown us, all empires come to an end. I think a reasonable argument can be made that the USA as we know it will end in our lifetimes.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.

Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.

The instant formal government is abolished, society begins to act. A general association takes place, and common interest produces common security

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.

Every hundred years or so Thomas Paine seems a little smarter...



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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The editorial in the OP was just as vacant and pointless as your statement. All you are doing is repeating talking points. There is no thought in your post, what is your analysis, why, exactly, do you think the United States will fall in your lifetime? Do not just give me the simple "Socialism" or "we've violated the constitution" arguments without explaining how those will bring down the US.

Wake up mate! Deny Ignorance!




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