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Tell me, are you a person, citizen, resident, corporation or a HUMAN BEING?

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posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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Between the time I started this post and when I completed it someone else brought this up

It is worthwhile to bring The Corporation, a 2003 Canadian documentary film
written by Joel Bakan, into the discussion. Wikipedia says the following:


]The film's assessment is effected via the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-IV;
Robert Hare, a University of British Columbia psychology professor and a consultant
to the FBI, compares the profile of the contemporary profitable business corporation
to that of a clinically-diagnosed psychopath.


The idea that a corporation has criminal tendencies is central to the problem.

The removal of personal liability and responsibility is the source. The result is a criminal
"person". Part of the problem is that Corporations can be assessed civil fines and
penalties but not criminal. They aren't given Probation or Capital Punishment,
though many should.



[edit on 6-4-2010 by UMayBRite!]




posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 12:51 PM
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I can't help but believe that I am a human being which has been afforded the great privilage of being born in the United States of America. If this is in anyway an answer to your original question as to how we may think of ourselves, good.

I am a little puzzled about how you seem to be willing to take the definition put forward in the documents which you site as having any real bases of meaning in the "real" world. I would draw your attention to the specific wording of line marked (a)...

(a) When used in this title, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof—
.....The term “person” shall be construed to mean and include an individual, a .....trust, estate, partnership, association, company or corporation.

This is simply the establishment of a retorical term which will assist a lawyer in keeping some very simple trains of thought moving along a straight line. --This is very necessary for lawyers-- In any other context the definitions of such simple concepts present almost no problems to "normal people."

Dispite how those of the legal profession may wish to confuse and entangle the meanings of many words of our language, simlpe is always best.

I would advise those who become involved with the legal system to always ask for "their" definitions of those words and terms which you may not understand; and continue to ask for them to explain such things until you notice that all these things will begin to form a circle.

This is when you start to talk them into dropping the charges just to get you to go away!!!



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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I am four of the five, and more and more I am beginning to think I should add the fifth to my state of existence, and possibly a sixth.

I am a person, which according to the dictionary means that I am a human being, but there is also the legal issues. I think I would have to agree with the ideas presented by others that I have read on this thread so far that a person is more of a legal entity.

I am a person because I act in my own self interest.

I am a citizen because I choose to be, to participate in government in order to exercise my influence over our governance.

I am a resident of the community in which I reside because I actively participate in this community and exercise my influence there.

I am not a corporation, because I have not made the legal efforts to establish myself as a corporation, but more and more I am beginning to think that I should do just that, so that I may start to enjoy the special privileges that corporations seem to enjoy, with their limited liability.

I am a HUMAN BEING because I live and breath, feel emotions, and I have a limited life expectancy.

I am also starting to think I should start my own religion, because none of the religions I have explored adequately match my beliefs. By establishing a non-profit corporation I might further increase my liberty from government control by further restricting the liabilities of my legal actions in the exercise of my property rights, and so the better to enhance my rights as a person.

Great thread.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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I see where you are coming from, but maybe we need to go one step further than the whole HUMAN BEING thing and realize that what we really are is an infinite golden child of the Universe. Being a slave, complaining, working, pain, general human stuff; in the end it does not serve you.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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It matters NOT what YOU think of as yourself, but what the "government" has made you out to be. That is why so many of us have filed our UCC-1's to reclaim our sovereignty and our property.

I made a thread on that here;

www.abovetopsecret.com...



You are nothing more and nothing less than a "Flesh and Blood, Living Soul". That's all we are, to be anything else, TPTB will have utter control over you, regardless of what you think.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 02:37 PM
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This has been gathering steam lately. Been seeing it around more and more.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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I love this thread.

BTW: I am a person and a contract laborer. (In other words; 'self-employed').




posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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I am a human being!

Hey everyone, this is my first post and I have been lurking around for long enough.

We are all human and we need to stop letting the media and big governments put us in these classes and categories. It's almost as if "people" are looking to these outlets to figure out how they should feel about one another.

I am human and I write the book of my life, or at least I really want to


I myself live in the USA and I am constantly being restricted in pretty much every aspect of everything I do. Now, I realize that governments must have certain entities in place to ensure we live in a lawful society. That being said, I feel as though the US gov. has lost their original purpose and has begun to seek way more power than they should be allowed to control. Power over oil, banks, cars, credits cards, healthcare and.. PEOPLE. Not only that, but there are more restrictions coming down the pike with the EPA, Cap&beTrade, Security (airports), and possibly internet control.. They are always figuring out ways to make us less HUMAN and just PEOPLE.

Ok, my first post is done.. I hope to become a contributing member to ATS!

-human

[edit on 6-4-2010 by a human being]



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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I am a man.

2nd line.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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You are correct.

The UCC rules us as citizens because of two reasons.

1)the fourteenth amendment which contracts the incorporation and enforcement of our civilrights to the federal government, which is a wholly foreign entity and a corporation, but the principle of reverse incorporation is what actually yields our rights to statute.
This is enforced by way of the due process clause of the 14th.
The 2nd amendment has never been incorporated into our "rights" by the federal government btw...
As citizens, we have never been declared as having the right to bear arms. Seriously.

2)the interstate commerce clause.
Because we are literally human resources.

The movie The Corporationdoes a good job explaining where corporations derive their power, and that is the 14th amendment.

But it does not address what is called a Deed of Emancipation, which is how slaves used to buy their freedom before the civil war.
They would incorporate themselves and then "sell" themself to the corporation that is their "name".
They would form a corporation under their name and become owners of themself.

This is the same exact principle of the straw man.

The best thing that anyone can do if charged, is ask for a court reporter.
When one is present, then ask the judge what kind of courtroom you are charged in.
It can only be either civil or criminal, statutory courtrooms do not exist, contrary to what judges may present.

If a victim cannot be presented then no criminal charges can be filed.

It will not always work, but the "without prejudice" signature will not always work either.

These guys make up the rules as they go.

That is the point to Admiralty Law.

Once the flag is flown, then the judge is captain of the ship, so to speak.

We have two flags in the US.
One for peacetime with vertical stars and bars, and one for war time, which is the one we presently know.

Eisenhower decreed that the gold fringe around a US flag is a military flag in 1950, I believe that is that right date.

Every flag that you see in every courtroom in the nation is a military flag, which signifies jurisdiction.

We have been living under martial law since 1863.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 05:03 PM
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On another thread: (www.abovetopsecret.com...)

I posted a transcript of the second hour of Guardian of the Free Republic representative Sam Kennedy's weekly radio program entitled. "Take No Prisoners" that aired between 8 and 10 p.m. EST this past Sunday evening on the Republic Broadcasting Network (RBN).

In the information that Sam Kennedy discussed, he touches on the legal importance of the use of the terms: sovereign, citizen, person, and dubject.

You can go to the RBN website and sign up for a one-day free access to listen to radio program yourself in the RBN archive (republicbroadcasting.org...).

You can choose to listen to hour 1 and/or hour 2 of the radio program cited above at this website: republicbroadcasting.org... ProgramID%253D23%26year%3D10%26backURL%3Dindex.php%253Fcmd%253Darchives.

Kennedy is slated to speak every Sunday evening on the same "Take No Prisoners" radio program which is broadcast at the same time on the same radio broadcasting network (RBN) every Sunday evening (8-10 p.m.). This network reaches millions of listeners both domestically and internationally via its affiliates across the nation and around the globe.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 05:36 PM
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Not playing quite by your rules. But I'm hoping this will help you. You can go and look up the Magna Carta and various writings of the founding fathers and others on Natural Law. But this is the foundation on which law and justice and freedom and a republic are meant to stand.

The individual spirit/soul is the same essence as the Supreme Being. The living human being manifests that divine spark. We are Sui Juris. We are all endowed, by nature with divine rights. Those rights/freedoms are to do as we choose within our own domain. So long as we do not interfere with another persons domain, we are free to do as we like so long as the spirit of those in your domain is honored. A persons domain includes their body, mind, wealth, property, family (minor children). Without an injured party, there is no sin or crime. You can't injure a fiction such as a government or corporation. A traffic ticket is not a crime. Possession of a "substance" is not a crime. Possession of a weapon is not a crime. The key point is that we are divine with divine rights and inherent natural freedom. They are not man made, nor man given. This clarification is fundamental to what a "Republic" is. A republic form of government recognizes/acknowledges the truth of this divine right and nature of a living human being. The supreme sanctity an sovereignty of the individual who is, by nature, above the fictional laws is always under attack by those wanting to control the individual. We are all kings/queens of our domain. Imagine yourself alone on a deserted island. You do whatever you want. Imagine you have a neighbor. The greatest good, justice and equality, is to respect each others territory and not intrude or interfere with each other. That is natural law. It is inherent in the human to want this natural independence, this free choice and it is the natural nature of the world to provide that arena. This natural and true law is very comprehensive.

The key point is the respect for the sanctity of the individual is above all. The Supreme Being is at the pinnacle, below that is the individual, below that is the contract limiting the government, below that is the government, below that is the fiction of corporation. The Supreme Being is not do be viewed as "Church". The Supreme Being is recognizable by each individual in their own choice. This means there is no authority in the world above the individual who obeys natural law. Rights mean things you are right (just) in doing. You are right and just in following the golden rule.

When an individual interferes with another persons domain it is called crime or bad karma or sin. When a cop stops someone for not signaling for a turn. The cop is committing the crime not the individual. The cop is interfering with the free passage of the individual and will try psychological manipulation (interfering with the individual property of mind) and may kidnap them, etc.. Because of this risk a Grand Jury and at trial, a Jury of peers stands as a safeguard.

Governments do not give "rights". There are no rights to be given by fictions nor rights missing from the one's we are endowed with by nature. The constitution and the bill of rights do not grant anyone rights. The constitution is, in part, an agreement among the states and with the fed to recognize the natural rights of humans. In other worlds the fictional organization have agreed not to involving it's employees in committing sin/crime against living human beings. The constitution is a poorly written document primarily because it was written with federalist manipulations which where anti-natural rights and pro-NWO. Much clearer elucidation of what matter could have been written.

Human beings are divine. This is exactly what Darwinism and Einsteinism seek to undermine. With the rational of a human as nothing but a temporary use of energy from matter, the human can be viewed as having no divine rights or nature. Once that door opened, and people got suckered into that line of thinking, then soon enough people become wards of the state/court and a herd of useless eaters to be looked down on. The recognition of the divine nature of the human and their inherent "unalienable rights" is paramount to true Law and Justice.

Unalienable rights means that they can not be given to a person, nor taken away but can be voluntarily surrendered by the individual. In the warped mentality and immoral nature of the courts volunteered can be taken as implied by inaction. Keeping in mind that the courts are part of the Vatican dating back to around the 12/13 century. If court, you don't speak up and state you are divine and do not recognize false authorities then you are taken by these people as surrendering your sovereignty. In fact, the very practice of hiring and attorney is a declaration that you have surrendered your rights and are incompetent and a ward of the court/state. This is the primary reason the lawyer even exists and fictional laws are and procedures are hidden or obscure. They exists to bring the individual into a state of abandoning their divine rights to the court and fictional entitles.

How do you deal with a person who commits "Crime"? In extreme circumstances a "Peace Officer" may need to stop an individual without due process in order to protect the sanctity of human life. The Peace Officer would do so at peril of their own "freedom" as it is clearly criminal(sin, karma) to do harm. The Peace Officer is nor really given special trust. Anyone could use force to subdue someone harming another. The Peace Officer is simple there in the community to help guarantee someone is there when needed. Beyond that, a grand jury must be conveyed to examine the evidence. If evidence substantiates the claim then the individual may be detained and a trial held. Trials should always be by jury. Who are the jury members? They are the peers of the accused. Who are the peers? People acquainted with the individual. They are the best judge of the evidence and possible intent of that individual. They are the best ones to decide the law and the sentence. A judge serves no real purpose in a court room than to arbitrate the interactions of the prosecution and defense. Judges have no business interfering with information conveyed to the jury. Such actions by the judge, naturally fall into the category or crime. The judge does not manage the property(information) of the jury. It is the jury's property and part of their sovereign entitlement.

It's helpful to understand why fictional crime exists against the sovereign. All crime is managed through bonds. Perhaps in antiquity, when there wasn't money to pay for incarcerating people. They floated a bond for each conviction. Incredible and insane as it is, today, at least in the uSA all crime is a floated bond. In other words there is a bond market for crime profiteering. The crime of possession of a "substance" exists so that people can profit from the conviction. The state profits short term from the sale of the bond and pays principle and interest for it's duration. People sit in jail cells as place holders so the bond stays in play. The is justice Las Vegas style. Look up John Keating for more information. This has lead courts to reward judges, prosecutors and attorneys for conviction. So much so there are kickpack accounts for this purpose. This is the basis of "Social Justice".



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
I am a technical "person".
So I like things laid out all nice and neat so that I can put things into a logical order and a simple outline to study.


I guess this will give the building blocks



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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I am whatever I want to be when I want to be it.

I am free to be whatever the heck I want to be.

Currently I am a marriage with my wife of power and wives of authority while I am ruler of it and etc.


[edit on 6-4-2010 by Tormentations]



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 07:15 PM
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I have been called names and you put them in a box and there I shall stay.
The box has a label on it and it reads "people like you"

Have you forgotten? I haven't!

[edit on 6-4-2010 by whaaa]



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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Alright everyone, thanks for all the comments and links. Wow, some of them are quite extensive and inspiring. Some are quite eye opening as well. One world governance, I mean.

Will be back to make replies as soon as I absorb some of the info provided.

Thanks for your replies.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 08:00 PM
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I am none of them then who am I? "Who is but the form following the function of what, and what I am is a man in a mask."



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 08:08 PM
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This is one of the most informative threads that I have participated in quite a while.

It's really kind of difficult to give a concise or coherent response to the OP because our rights as divine God created human beings have slowly been dismantled through a series of court decisions and legislative actions.

Each of these plays a small part in a larger whole.

The M.O. is always the same for TPTB.

Compartmentalize things so as to limit damage.

The loss of our sovereign God given rights and the institution of legislated civil rights can be basically located in the 14th amendment, but it is much more complicated than just the 14th.

And then, the entire slavery issue comes into the discussion, which makes the issue that much more convoluted.

We are being outsmarted by lawyers when it is all said and done.

That is why they are called esquires.

It is a term of nobility.
Like a knight, or a duke, or an esquire.
They are all esquires to the Crown Corporation.
All attorneys can trace their lineage to the temple bar located in the square mile called the Corporation of the City of London.

All state bar associations will deny this, but that is because literally everything is a game of semantics with the law.

Especially Roman Civil law, under which we are currently governed.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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Unfortunately it doesn't matter what we think we are when we are in their courtroom.

Look at how the 16th Amendment is treated.
Judges won't even show the tax law to a jury, because it doesn't exist.

Why take an oath when you are on a jury?

You can vote however you want to vote and you cannot be held accountable.

It's a game and you need to learn their rules.

That is the entire point to admiralty law.
The judges call ALL of the shots.

Know this. When anyone is accused in a court of law, then not one person is truly on your side.

Even if you have a high powered paid attorney.
They work for the temple bar.

They are all employees of the Crown Corporation of the City of London.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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"Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition."

My favorite fictional conspiracy movie.



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