New Evidence Emerges On Obama's Background!!!

Wasn't he suppose to go to trial for his birth cert? That didn't happen,.. so what makes anyone think this new " info" will do anything?

No surprise, obama is a liar and always will be a liar. Something needs to be done with him and all the people that are excepting payments and trades to keep quiet. What a shame that AMERICANS have willingly sacraficed the meaning of our Constitution and what has made the USA a great place. obama is NO good and I can't wait until all this comes to light. I just hope it is soomer then later. Hopefully before he completely purposely destroys this country.

Originally posted by Strype
No. It sounds like you're (OP) taking fabricated information seriously, and becoming offended when people question the source.

The OP was well made upon a serious topic. Your reaction to those willing to question the information in the OP, on the other hand, is far from professional. Valid questions require valid responses. Repeating hogwash isn't going to help us solve anything. Let's try and come up with answers to the questions without getting angry and citing more nonsense.

Flagged.


Cheers,
Strype

I'm curious... what EXACTLY is fabricated? There is wide-spread agreement that he did NOT hold the title of Professor. He clearly took the liberty of embellishing his postion with the college while on the campaign trail. There is no suprise that the college would step up to defend him for a myriad of reasons. Beyond that it is pure semantics.

Was the fact that he voluntarily surrendered his Law License in 2008 in order to avoid having to answer the charges and complalints levied against him fabricated as well? Nope - a matter of record! Doesn't it seem fishy that an individual with such a storied career as a lawyer, having spent years and tens of thousands of dollars attending the nation's top law school, would so quickly and quietly throw it all away over an anonymous complaint?

The questions continue to mount as does the evidence against him - albeit most is unfortunately circumstantial or questionable. But again, how are we to properly vette this man when he has seen to it to lock down his entire past??? That, in and of itself, is EXTREMELY questionable. Those are the actions of a man with something to hide.

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All of the standard Obama apologists and admirers showing up I see. This man could literally piss on your heads, tell you it was rain and you'd believe him!!!

You'll notice they're the same people who made threads everyday about any and every charge against Bush. Suddenly, they're skeptical.

Wasn't the pres supposed to go to court for a false birth cert? well that didn't happen so how is this new evidance suppose to have any effect?
He is untouchable now..

I'm interested in seeing the way in which the pro Obama posters mostly assert back at posters they say are reproducing assertions and lies.

No - I'm not a Republican/Democrat. Yes - I'm a moderate libertarian as those of you who check out my replies to threads that say you can just walk into a court of law and be above its jurisdiction etc will see.

Do I like Obama? No because he's just another Tricky Dicky except in a different way but that's a fact of life for politicians in top positions. Lying is a way of life in the political sphere.

But some of you Obama defenders sound like pieces of work who believe that your political beliefs justify the weird concealment of our President's past.

All over this board some of you push and push like cheap crack the notion that anybody who wants to go digging into Obama's fairly murky past in some ways is a 'nut'. Yep that's what happens when ordinary citizens want to know more or know more than what the powers that be tolerate.

Much as I like Kennedy, his security did the same thing with all the women he slept with. Women were warned that if they said anything publicly or privately about their romps with the Prez, they would find themselves locked away in loony bins.

Those surrounding those in power will ruthlessly attempt to stifle and kill any facts that bring up realities that don't reflect well on or could unseat their boss.

So - I agree that some of the anti Obama material is lacking in substance. Some of it is half baked stuff like the whole Professor 'controversy'. But since you Obama supporters are parading around a "Certification of Birth' please answer these questions.

I am just another thinking person who is not convinced that a man like Obama with his aliases, Indonesian documents stating he is a Muslim, British subject father, adopted by mother's Indonesian husband etc etc makes a legitimate native born President or somebody who has integrity.

Certification of Birth: Go to the Obama Timeline by Don Fredrick on the net. He is a conservative anti socialist but not a 'nut' - his extensive piece (which is available in book form I think) rakes up some interesting information.

According to him, Obama's half Indonesian sister also has a Certification of Birth as do other people despite the fact she was nowhere near Hawaii when she was born. For whatever reason as he says (probably population boosting stats for taxation purpose) Hawaii issued such certificates, including to Chinese leader Sun Yat Sen.

BUT this is not the original birth certificate. It is a document that says the birth was registered in Hawaii.

There's too much interesting stuff in his article to comment on and reproduce here - I'll save that for later.

But one of the reasons why I think this guy is on to something is the facts he finds out like the one about Frank Marshall Davis. Obama knew him. Marxist Davis, friends with Obama's grandfather had links with radical figures like the Weatherman who served prison time.

Yet the Obama camp and their friends in the media responded with righteous indignation pre election to suggestions that he knew this radical except that the ex prisoner sat at the same table at some function.

Clearly there is so much dilution of truth going on. Obama's trails haven't gone cold because some people like Fredrick have done their research. Obama has tried to cover up his Marxism, he has sealed his probably mediocre academic records but there's so many other question marks.

When he finishes office it will all be aired out. Too late.

As for Bush supposedly getting a pass - horsemanure. Remember Fortunate Son? Will anybody be able to get a similar expose of Obama published?

Democrats/the Left/other Liberals did nothing but villify him for his two terms and the media lent a lot of their support to it.

So to the Obamers - what can you counter with apart from smearing everybody else as 'nuts' and 'liars?

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Should you go to the police with all this 'evidence'? Or perhaps write to your Senator? Or make some banners and get arrested outside the Whitehouse? Or form a large organization of other voters who say publicly that Obama is a liar?

You need to test your case with direct action and become a martyr. Or is it the case that all of the people who say these things on messageboards just wouldn't turn out for their beliefs.

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
Wasn't the pres supposed to go to court for a false birth cert? well that didn't happen so how is this new evidance suppose to have any effect?
He is untouchable now..

Curious, that is! The first few cases were dismissed due to a "Lack of standing" on the part of the plaintiffs - which is utterly ridiculous as EVERY citizen has standing against a president as every citizen has the potential of grevious harm as a result of his policies and laws.

The next case that had legs involved a number of members of the military who questioned his authority as Commander-In-Chief based on his legitamicay to hold office. When it appeared that the case would advance, the military mysteriously revoked the orders for those soldiers to deploy thus removing the initial premise for the case. As a result it was dismissed as the soldiers were no longer facing deployment and the discovery process was abandoned which would have forced Obama to turn over his pertinent and relevent documents. Keep in mind, Obama is the Commander-In-Chief of the military, it's highest officer.

There is now another soldier, a Lt. Col. Flight Surgeon who has announced his intent to defy orders to deploy based on the same criteria. There is no law suit at this point, that I am aware of, but it will be intersting again to see what comes of this soldier's orders to deploy. I feel they will also be rescinded.

Now, let's employ some logic... a precedent has been established that ANY soldier faced with deployment orders can defy those orders based on Obama's questionable legitimacy to hold office. I expect an avalanche of such refusals in the future as there would be no room for reprisal. Any reprisal would most certainly result in a court case in which would require discovery and result in Obama being found illigitimate. Think about this carefully, the military is going to become a disaster. OBama can end this whole charade by simply releasing the pertinent documents. Yet, he imperils those troops over seas by refusing to prove that he is the legitimate Commander-In-Chief. How much longer do you feel military top brass are going to watch this man undermine the integrity of the armed forces???

Nope, this thing is coming to a head - quickly!

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Hey, I have a great idea, with all the questions running around and even the military now questioning this whole mess, and all the facts, and rumors, being told, why doesn't he clear the whole thing up and put it to rest. It would be the right thing to do. not avoid it, and hide behind that worthless paper they all refer to as his birth certificate.

We all know why, he can't because it would hang him.

Even the people who support him know the deal, they have to by now. They just don't care! so they keep running interference for him. Too bad we can't take names so that when the truth comes out we can use those fema detention camps to put them all in there to keep each other company. They would deserve it.

Originally posted by darpaint5
Should you go to the police with all this 'evidence'? Or perhaps write to your Senator? Or make some banners and get arrested outside the Whitehouse? Or form a large organization of other voters who say publicly that Obama is a liar?

You need to test your case with direct action and become a martyr. Or is it the case that all of the people who say these things on messageboards just wouldn't turn out for their beliefs.

This seems like just another tactic by those who slander the Obama dissenters. Some of us have reasonably pointed out the problematic past and lies of our President. You are not interested in debate. You are interested in sidetracking tactics.

If you fear debate so much I recommend you don't follow this topic. Or are you another of the Democrat trolls who have registered here? As for the weird 'martyr' comment - take your crass suggestions that anybody who believes in open information wants to or should be a 'martyr' elsewhere. Your tactics are very obvious.

Again - will the Obamers address the points made? Or are you afraid to because it's too difficult? What happened to the whole transparency issue? Why do we have to seek out everything about George Bushes etc but the muddled past of Obama is somehow offlimits?

I repeat - will a book like Fortunate Son except about Obama be published while he is in office? Not if your kind of people have their way.

In fact I see similarities between the attitude of some of the Obamers on these boards and that of Richard Nixon and his followers' compilation of lists of 'enemies'. Enemies of course being those who asked questions and wanted the truth aired out.

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One only needs to read Obama's memoirs to realize that there were some curious omissions and serious embellishments regarding his life. "Dreams of my Father" reads like an ABC after school special.

He barely even scratches the surface of his college years which for most people are the most important years of your life. He brushes is it off by saying that he was monk like, didn't go out much, camped out in the Library etc etc.... Everything stinks. He speaks of working in the real world for ONE year to pay off student loans and then becomes a community organizer making $10,000 a year. Must have been one hell of a year. Interesting. I won't even go into the whole student loan debate surrounding his Harvard years.

I don't buy his stories for anything. Nothing adds up going way back to the movements of his mother and her family prior to his birth. Personally, I think he was conceived in Washington and was born in HI. Stanley's marriage to Obama Sr. was a cover for her mixed race baby that was conceived before HI.

It would take one hell of a life changing moment to inspire Stanley's parents to drop everything to move to HI. Her mom was a bank VP and quit her job in Washington to become a bank teller in Hawaii. Hmmm.... time to cover up your daughters indiscretions by moving somewhere where a mixed race kid would blend in.

Can anyone tell me where the skepticism for this thread is in the wikileaks thread? Why are you all so predictable in your responses? You're happy to beleive anything that confirms your hatred, yet skeptical when it concerns people you like.

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LOL you posted right wing blogs as a source? The party that is KNOWN for lying through their teeth about EVERYTHING non-republican/conservative? That is embarrassing!

I bet you have a nice sorcha faal link to post too .

absolutely anyone who flagged and starred this should blacklisted as non-credible

Originally posted by jibeho
Nothing adds up going way back to the movements of his mother and her family prior to his birth.

Well FICTION generally has to make sense, facts usually don't. Ever hear "Truth is stranger than fiction."

Personally, I think he was conceived in Washington and was born in HI.

Most Excellent, we can put this whole Birther thing to rest.

It would take one hell of a life changing moment to inspire Stanley's parents to drop everything to move to HI. Her mom was a bank VP and quit her job in Washington to become a bank teller in Hawaii. Hmmm.... time to cover up your daughters indiscretions by moving somewhere where a mixed race kid would blend in.

That is low brow, I am disappointed to say the least.

Lest you have any FACTS regarding the motive for their move, it is your opinion. Merely innuendo, supposition.

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Some of the information he gave is available to the public. Did you bother to verify it either way?
www.iardc.org...
www.iardc.org...

I find it interesting the president lied even on his bar form. Notice the line that says former names. He put none.

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www.wnd.com...

I know its WND but it certainly caused me to raise an eyebrow or two or three.

I have no intent on being low brow. These are theories based on the fact of conflicting time lines and personal accounts in Obama's memoir.

It was not uncommon for unwed mothers back then, when our nation was far more conservative, to go away for a while in order to conceal a pregnancy. Perhaps Anne's folks did not want to send her away.

Just a theory based on certain facts and even some personal stories. At this point in time hard evidence is hard to come by because it has all been concealed.

What is being concealed has nothing to do with his birthplace. It has to do with who his father really is.

Just a thought!!

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Cleaned their clocks?
Obama only won 19 out of the 50 states in the union. Those 19 have the highest rates of welfare and the highest percentage of murder. Check it out. Just think what this country will be like when Obama lets in 12 to 20 ILLEGAL immigrants that don't give a da>> about this country.

I just have one observation, and it does not involve opinion on either sides arguments.
there is only one predominate theme that comes to the surface over and over.
all politicians lie. we accept that.
WHY???!!!
this guy lied, that guy lied...
to accept that as fact, and NOT DO SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING, OR use it as an REBUTTLE in a "discussion" IS INSANE!

why do we have to? what can we do?
if everyone would start to NOT accept that, it would be a first step
if everyone hounded these people thru letters, emails, posters, whatever it would be better than what we HAVE NOW!!!

STOP PUTTING UP WITH IT!
if your kid lies, you bust his butt
if your wife lies, arguement city

our leaders lie, we suck it up, over and over

dr

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Well FICTION generally has to make sense, facts usually don't. Ever hear "Truth is stranger than fiction."

I must say that I have heard that truth is stranger than fiction.
I can't say that I agree that 'facts usually don't make sense.' I paraphrased there.

It is my position that facts usually DO make sense.

Originally posted by kozmo
Investigation Reveals Bogus Claims On Obama Resume

This is some pretty serious stuff, folks!

No...No it's not...

It's an article from the "Conservative examiner" written by Tony Martin who is the idealogical child of Rush Limbaugh and Orly Taitz...

The Only thing he writes about is Obama and his articles are primarily loads of BS..

THIS ARTICLE IS BS....He sites a blog where the blog author grudgingly ADMITS HE MADE IT UP...AND HAD TO REMOVE HIS BS.

Since I continue to get blasted with emails (supportive, critical and ones asking to interview me as having written some kind of 'special report' which I did not do), I am removing those parts of this post that I did not myself investigate.

I'll say once again as I've said to several emailers, I didn't do the original investigation of this. This was a pass-down from another blog cited in the post, and these are allegations from sources that I haven't confirmed.]

theblogprof.blogspot.com...

OH THE IRONY...accusing the POTUS of lying and then getting COMPLETELY BUSTED for making it up!!!

Par for the course!!!






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