reply to post by Tifozi
First of all, I'd like to apologize for jumping in. I'd like to also reassure you that I've read your posts, in their entirety.
Originally posted by Tifozi
reply to post by WarloriousCreed
I'm not american, so I have a very abroad perspective of how the US handles things, without being emotionally attached to the subjects.
You seem to be saying that your distance implies less emotional attachment and therefor better judgement and more discernment. That's the precise
argument/justification that many put forth when they speak negatively of the actions of soldiers within these wars. You lambast them for this because
they 'aren't there, so they don't know.' Well, you aren't here, so you don't know. I find this logic circular, and hypocritical.
Originally posted by TifoziAnother thing that I stated is that I don't enjoy clichés, and I don't enjoy being answered back with
I apologize for my bluntness here, but please see your own answer above. Pot/kettle. Once again. Also, this statement alone (and you have made a
few like this) makes me wonder about your claim of 'lack of emotional attachment.' I wonder about a quasi-contained anti-american sentiment. But I
could be wrong.
Originally posted by Tifozi
You, my friend, should be able to recognize the line that I draw on the floor, between respect for the soldiers that actually fight to keep our world
a better place, and the situation that is in our current world, where we have two major BS... ... BS MEANS BULL-#) wars.
Furthermore, I'm talking about a minority of soldiers, not the whole pack.
But sadly, because of discussions like this, people don't know about the small operations in the world, to keep peace and restore a little more
They only know about crappy arguments and thematic youtube videos.
Sure. I feel that disrespecting all soldiers as a group is wrong. Many of them are good people trying to survive and doing a very hard job. I
don't doubt there are 'bad people' out there, that they are helping to protect me from. I am grateful.
Also, (because you have touched on this) individual intent matters, but it isn't everything. If an individual soldier is crossing a line, or even a
group of soldiers, than they should be held accountable. All of the good intentions in the world cannot justify certain actions. (The old addage
about the 'road to hell' and what it is paved with comes to mind.) However, judging all of them based on the answers, and actions of a few is
I think the OP was correct in his points, and correct in publicly calling out that individual soldier.
As far as the 'line that you draw' you seem to be saying that any criticism of an individual soldier or group is wrong, even when they
(soldiers/military) are wrong. I don't feel that calling out bad behavior, and reminding individuals (U.S military, mind) that they do represent us,
hurts any military efforts, or the military as a whole. Soldiers do a hard job. This doesn't make them above accountability or criticism. Even
from civilians, and you seem to be saying just that.
If I misunderstand, I apologize, and please explain. If I don't... Your line isn't mine. You speak of respect, but don't really seem to have
much respect for the lines and ideas of others that are not compatable with your own. At least not regarding these circumstances.
You have some good points. So does the OP. I actually agree with both of you, as well as disagree.
However the hypocrisy you manifest, and your emotionally charged, thinly veiled contempt causes me to doubt your credibility over all.