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Originally posted by seeashrink
I am so tired of our men and women being world police. We need to tend to our own business and protect our own borders. We have everything we need in this country to be self sufficient, but we insist on sticking our noses in every oil pit we can find.
Originally posted by seeashrink
I am a veteran. I was in the Army during Desert Storm and I was stationed in Germany. All the young officers and troops in my unit were gung ho to go. One night in the rec room there were some guys and a young officer, and myself playing pool. Each one in turn talked about how they were ready to go and kick some Iraqi butt. I remained silent and finally the young officer asked me if I was ready to go. I told them that if ordered to go that I would go and do my duty but, that it was about oil, and that was the only reason we were there. The young officer got a little upset with me. I called him by name and said "Sir, if you want to go over there and be a hero...go. But when your child ask your wife why did daddy die in the war? She can tell him, so that we can gas at $2 a gallon instead of $6.
Originally posted by andrewh7
What's a solider?
Originally posted by Tifozi
I'm sorry, I really am, but I'm also sick and tired of your ignorance.
I know how it feels to have a soldier dying in my hands, and/or while trying to rescue them. YOU DON'T.
I know how things are there because I was shot at, insulted, chased and attacked. YOU DON'T.
I know how american (since I'm european) soldiers really feel about this, when they do see how things really are. YOU DON'T.
Everyone, even my kid who is 5, knows the BS war in Iraq and Afghanistan. EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT, okay? You're not a genius, you're not enlighten by your "research" in Google (who is censured by the way).
But ANY, ALL, of you who come here and open your mouths about anti-war crap, don't know ANYTHING about anything.
STOP being fools who follow what other people say!
You come here, behind your laptops, talking and judging the people who wear a uniform, calling them all sorts of stuff, judging everything along the way. Their intellectual capabilities, their knowledge about the world... you name it, for every soldier out there, there is a comment to be added.
And you know what? You're simply, and completely ignorant!
Go ahead, "debate" all you want, say whatever you want. But don't forget to ad to your post, in the end: "P.S.: I'm a ignorant person who doesn't have a slight idea of what's REALLY going on".
I'm tired of ignorants who claim to know it all about these wars, and "that people over there", how things work, who is innocent and who is guilty, and this ignorant folks make me even laugh, because they are even MORE ignorant by not even realizing that they are answering to "the other side of the story" using arguments, figures, situations provided by THE SAME SIDE THEY ATTACK.
I don't want to rock your world, but the data that you so happily use AGAINST the military, is....guess what...given BY THE MILITARY and/or the U.S. Government.
Explain me, PLEASE I DARE YOU, that you explain to me how the hell you can get the real picture, what is really going on, how can you possibly figure out who is who and what is what, with data that is corrupted on it's own source.
Because, what you fail to see, is that the good and the bad is given by the same source. MEDIA. Media, which, is controlled by the government. HOW THE HELL CAN YOU SAY THE THINGS YOU DO WITH A STRAIGHT FACE?!
It's like throwing at the governments the stones that they gave you in the first place.
Never heard of "there is no such thing as bad publicity"? I've trained and orientated young recruits who enlisted after "enlighten debates" like the crap posted in here.
You want to hear the true side of the story? AIM HIGH! Search and interview spec ops soldiers who actually hunt down REAL terrorists all around the world, for example. People, like the average soldiers, who are not making the cleaning jobs that you see on the news.
I was in operations where I KNOW that were good intended. Where I know we did good, when we prevent some bad doings in the world, or even in US itself. And I have to take people trashing the very few good we make, just because nobody can separate BS from truth?
You think that there aren't terrorists out there? You are so BLIND by the media concept of terrorist (the one you even say that doesn't exist), that you completely overlook the real threat!
The guy with a towel in the head that screams "death to america. Ala may have mercy on Bin Laden" doesn't exist? OF COURSE NOT.
That was a character, the same as "japs" were in WWII, to motivate and move people in the direction they wanted: fighting the WWII.
The "terrorists" and the "japs" are very alike. Because BOTH were created under a image that was supposed to motivate people to act.
BUT does it mean that there wasn't a Japanese threat? No. The war was real, the attacks and aggressive intentions were real.
BUT does it mean that there aren't ANY terrorists in the world threating civilian and innocent lives? No. There are terrorists, there are threats, there are even attacks, attempted attacks and so on, and THANK GOD that you don't hear about them in the news, because if this crappy propaganda putted out by the media gets you moving like this, I can't even imagine what people would say if they realized HALF the stuff that really goes down.
Please, by all means, continue, ENFORCE, promote knowledge and investigation of the conspiracies to star wars like Iraq, Afghanistan (the democracy excuse) and so on. Do so! Your country and the world needs it!
But do it the right #ing way!
Debate how things got out of control, how politics are messed up, what you can do to change it and change the world. It doesn't matter to us (soldiers in the field) if the problem was created by the US government itself years ago by giving weapons and money to "terrorist organizations".
IT DOESN'T MATTER! Doesn't matter because NOW there are actually people who bought that crap, ON BOTH SIDES, and people actually enlist and go after this organizations!
People from your own very country (YES, USA) leave the country and go to this countries (or similar) to enlist in terrorist movements! Because for 1000 people who is against all this crap, there is 1 who buys into the propaganda of the "other side", and actually tries to do damage to YOU, who has a peaceful way of live.
Stop trashing the soldiers that die and fight OVER YOU. You can cry, roll on the floor, laugh and yell all you want. The fact that you can speak up whatever you want in this boards, is because the soldiers you spit on are doing their job making a safe wall around your country.
Before thinking this:
The soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are cleaning up the mess and profit of people like Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.
Think of this:
The soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan that die and fight over there, are part of the real situation. A situation where are guys like Spec Ops and other operatives doing real job in keeping the real world safe.
Soldiers, that are over there, DYING and FIGHTING, LOOSING THEIR MINDS, are really over there, because I (inserted yourself in here, regarding your position on this subject) was a MORON and can't vote in the right people to be in power.
OBAMA said on his early campaing that he was going to remove troops from Iraq to reinforce the troops in Afghanistan.
Now geniuses of anti-war, tell me, who won the elections?
YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE IT! YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO END IT!
What did you say? "Yes we can".
But you still let young boys die.
I'm sorry for the pseudo-rant, and the frontality, but bare in mind that I'm sick of people following movements like sheep. I'm tired of people who just yell "NO WAR" and don't understand what is really going on, treat the REAL problems. Don't make the mistake of believing that you are safe, just because you think a part is made-up. YES, it is. It is all bull-#, IT IS for OIL. But there are REAL PROBLEMS that are solved, but never get to the news. THOSE people who risk their lifes to make YOU safe (dangers, consequence of this BS wars, yes, it is true) do it even knowing that they are in a BS war.
But mostly, it saddens me to see the american people attacking their own soldiers, just because people don't understand who is really responsible.