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posted on May, 25 2010 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Rowsdowerr
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Which ones were found guilty of being insurgents? I missed that in any of the coverage of this.


Its hilarious how guys like you act like they know what they're talking about. Did you somehow miss all the guy in the video with RPGs and AK47s?


Hilarious? Really? Which part of people killing each other really gives you those belly laughs?

I asked a very specific question and you can not answer it either? Why did you even bother to respond? Are you so lacking in attention that you just had to post a reply to an old old old post and then basically say nothing?

Whether I see anyone weapons or not does not answer my question. I have guns at my house, does that mean Iraqis can just come here and shoot me? What if I carry them out into the street? Does that make me guilty of something in another country giving them the right to kill me?

So, what I asked was....

which ones were proven to be insurgents? Carrying a gun in the street in Iraq hardly makes you an insurgent but feel free to try and actually answer my question.




posted on May, 25 2010 @ 08:42 AM
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posted on May, 25 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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posted on May, 25 2010 @ 11:27 AM
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I've just seen this for the first time now.

I'm in two minds about it to be honest.

You're in the middle of a war, ok not a fierce battle but when youve probably seen friends around you get killed by Iraqi's i can understand that hatred grow from nothing. You can hear it in the gunners voice "come onnnn lemme shoot" and you can understand them mistaking things like cameras with long straps for guns at a certain angle. You can understand the van pulling up and them thinking they're maybe carrying away a wounded insurgents member or leader and you can understand the Americans wanting to finish them off.

It probably is the guys in the vans fault for going anywhere near that kind of situation when he's got kids in the back of his van. You don't put your kids in that kind of danger.

All that being said, like i previously said they weren't in a fierce firefight, they're from a distance and nothing is going to kick off in the foreseeable future so you have to take time to assess whether they are guns that they're carrying rather than cameras and you have to try and assess what these people are doing.

For me, its almost taunt-like comments coming from the crew afterward that's a bit disturbing but when you said young men out there to essentially kill Iraqi's you've got to expect them to become hardened to these kinds of things.

Doesn't make it right however.



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 02:04 AM
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Please submit to me what was of questionable material? I have the post and no where do I see any material that would be deemed unappropriate. Am I to assume that this website no longer allows the 1st amendment right? "PC" is more of the required usage?


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posted on May, 28 2010 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by eNumbra
If I wasn't told he was a journalist with a camera, and the only piece of video I had seen was the piece where you can see him poke his head around a corner with the camera I could understand how he could be mistaken for an insurgent with an RPG.

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I agree. If I was in the helicopter and had my finger on the trigger I would act the same or worse. Why? Fear. It's human nature.

In that war-zone, I would see everything as a threat. You see a camera from the safety of your couch viewing this video. But in the air, over a hostile zone. Fear makes you see threats where none exist. The dead give away that the trigger man was controlled by FEAR, is the fact that he was begging for permission to engage. The van was also a threat to them because someone inside could hide an RPG and fire it out the window at them.

"THE REAL ENEMY IS WAR ITSELF" - A quote from the movie Crimson Tide.

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posted on May, 28 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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Interesting to note: Newsweek magazine mentioned the video and left out many things in order to bolster support for the war. They decided that the children being shot was not worth mentioning. I decided to boycott Newsweek and considered my own attack of misinformation on the reporter who is misleading every reader.They call these videos, this kind of entertainment 'War Porn". I like it for information too.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by SurefireII
For those of whom have never served, casualties are a part of war~
Sorry to tell ya, if your a reporter, or any other for that matter, and you put yourself in harms way, its your fault you found yourself extinct!

No bleeding hearted liberal in this camp, s*&t happens, get over it! Atleast the military took action on an alleged group of terrorists. Like I said, accidents happen, especially in war~


Yes we all know war is hell, but if those pilots were that retarded that they cant use their eyes to tell the difference between equipment, then they shouldn't be a pilot....no wonder they joystick is shaped like a penis...maybe they like holding it a lot and squeezing for no reason......

Any monkey can pull the trigger, it knowing who is a REAL threat to you and then engaging properly. Did they really think that beetle van was a threat...seriously and those people who came to help.

I hope some you get caught in friendly fire and we get it on camera. I will have popcorn and invite people over to watch and laugh. Then I hope your kids try to come over to help and the same thing happens. Oops yea, war sure does suck don't it.

Someone got killed for being a good Samaritan, Karma is a bitch, you know these pilots are going to get shot out of the sky.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Originally posted by SurefireII
For those of whom have never served, casualties are a part of war~
Sorry to tell ya, if your a reporter, or any other for that matter, and you put yourself in harms way, its your fault you found yourself extinct!

No bleeding hearted liberal in this camp, s*&t happens, get over it! Atleast the military took action on an alleged group of terrorists. Like I said, accidents happen, especially in war~


Yes we all know war is hell, but if those pilots were that retarded that they cant use their eyes to tell the difference between equipment, then they shouldn't be a pilot....no wonder they joystick is shaped like a penis...maybe they like holding it a lot and squeezing for no reason......

Any monkey can pull the trigger, it knowing who is a REAL threat to you and then engaging properly. Did they really think that beetle van was a threat...seriously and those people who came to help.

I hope some you get caught in friendly fire and we get it on camera. I will have popcorn and invite people over to watch and laugh. Then I hope your kids try to come over to help and the same thing happens. Oops yea, war sure does suck don't it.

Someone got killed for being a good Samaritan, Karma is a bitch, you know these pilots are going to get shot out of the sky.


Man you are dumb! So explain to me how an unmarked van is going to suggest innocent bystanders? Kinda like the aircraft used in 911 huh? They had terrorists onboard tapered down the side huh? Its people like you that prove without a reasonable doubt that ignorance is bliss!



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 07:31 AM
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Why hasnt this video reached news channels ?? Just a quick question

Ive seen the video and absolutely disgusted .. and you wonder why alot of people hate the American armed services.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:19 PM
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Anyone in here raise your hand if you have even served in the military? And of those who did, how many of you have operated in one of our theaters of battle?
If you can't say yes then stop arm chair commandeering about how you could clearly see items in the video. I saw a guy peaking around the corner aiming something that had a lens... lens equals scope 9 times out of 10.

This is what happens when you second guess anything over there. This Bradly is my friend Griff's, He lost his driver and he himself is an inch shorter and has shrapnel up his entire back and suffered a brain injury because of these jackasses. Don't second guess ANYTHING.

You want to know WHY people question you? Because either we've been there or we know people who are. Have some respect.

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posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Yes we all know war is hell, but if those pilots were that retarded that they cant use their eyes to tell the difference between equipment, then they shouldn't be a pilot....no wonder they joystick is shaped like a penis...maybe they like holding it a lot and squeezing for no reason......

Any monkey can pull the trigger, it knowing who is a REAL threat to you and then engaging properly. Did they really think that beetle van was a threat...seriously and those people who came to help.


Hmmmm....I guess you missed the memo where insurgents have been using civilian vehicles for car bombs, transport, etc.


Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
I hope some you get caught in friendly fire and we get it on camera. I will have popcorn and invite people over to watch and laugh. Then I hope your kids try to come over to help and the same thing happens. Oops yea, war sure does suck don't it.

Someone got killed for being a good Samaritan, Karma is a bitch, you know these pilots are going to get shot out of the sky.


Ah, yes. Typical reply here. "Boy, I feel so sorry for those people that were killed and injured. It's really horrible, but I hope the same thing happens to those pilots and every one of their family members."

I think there's a word for that: Hypocrite.



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Anybody else happen to catch the fact that the guy who leaked the video was arrested for releasing the video?

Source

I am kind of surprised that he was turned in by a former hacker. Wonder if a deal was made?

Let this be a lesson to not betray your country, or else you can face what this guy is facing.



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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Let this be a lesson to not betray your country, or else you can face what this guy is facing.


There will always be someone who wants us to know the truth and will sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Let this be a lesson for those who want to promote a police state on us all. There is no way to hide your murderous agendas and we will find out about them.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



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posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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update: on the news just now

the army specialist who stole and gave this very edited video to wikileaks has been arrested.

[edit on 7-6-2010 by neo96]



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by SurefireII

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Originally posted by SurefireII
For those of whom have never served, casualties are a part of war~
Sorry to tell ya, if your a reporter, or any other for that matter, and you put yourself in harms way, its your fault you found yourself extinct!

No bleeding hearted liberal in this camp, s*&t happens, get over it! Atleast the military took action on an alleged group of terrorists. Like I said, accidents happen, especially in war~


Yes we all know war is hell, but if those pilots were that retarded that they cant use their eyes to tell the difference between equipment, then they shouldn't be a pilot....no wonder they joystick is shaped like a penis...maybe they like holding it a lot and squeezing for no reason......

Any monkey can pull the trigger, it knowing who is a REAL threat to you and then engaging properly. Did they really think that beetle van was a threat...seriously and those people who came to help.

I hope some you get caught in friendly fire and we get it on camera. I will have popcorn and invite people over to watch and laugh. Then I hope your kids try to come over to help and the same thing happens. Oops yea, war sure does suck don't it.

Someone got killed for being a good Samaritan, Karma is a bitch, you know these pilots are going to get shot out of the sky.


Man you are dumb! So explain to me how an unmarked van is going to suggest innocent bystanders? Kinda like the aircraft used in 911 huh? They had terrorists onboard tapered down the side huh? Its people like you that prove without a reasonable doubt that ignorance is bliss!


I'm not talking about 9/11. that was obviously an attack. I can bring up things too. What about pearl harbor...yea you forgot about that. that van came in and the person got out of it and was not doing something that threatened the chopper. An unmarked van 90% of the time is just that....an unmarked van....why dont you stop any soccermom on the highway and ask her if shes a terrorist...make sure the van is unmarked first...I want to see statistics on this..



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 01:36 AM
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Simply put, it's way overdue that we get the you-know-what out of Iraq and leave them alone. They snuck the war past us after a national tragedy and after about 1 year everyone was saying "Okay, so WTF are we doing there again?" Our government used fear mongering to justify a war for money.

Now, NINE years later we're seeing crap like this with two pieces of crap gunning down what looks to be all innocent people walking down the street and laughing about it, enjoying it, hoping they get the confirmation to mow 'em down like it's Call of Duty. What pisses me off is that I have tried to understand how important it is to love every single living being on this planet, and the one thing I haven't been able to understand is how am I supposed to love a murderer.

To the people that say this is a "grey area" kinda thing, you go tell that to the families. If it was YOU, it would not be a grey area let-em-off-the-hook kinda thing. I feel embarassed when I see someone from another country saying "Americans wonder why the world hates you". How can I even try to explain that our government is owned by corporations to the point where our votes don't even matter, and that there are lots of people that strongly disagree with everything our government does but also has the utmost respect for our Constitution and the possibilities of a country run fairly and purely as it was designed. If I lived in another country, I wouldn't buy it.

We're the terrorists in Iraq. Yeah, some of yall can say "War is ugly", and you're right. I was never in the military so I don't know. But I never wanted to be in the military, especially if I turned out enjoying mowing down some kids. No thanks. Yeah, I'm a pansy. I don't care. But just know that what Gandi and his people did was more powerful and inspiring than any stupid POS war can ever accomplish.

Get the hell out of Iraq. I'm debating whether I want to arm myself with weapons and move to the mountains somewhere to defend myself when our country comes crashing down, or if I just wanna move to a different country and give up on my homeland. Such a shame, such a waste of potential.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:06 AM
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This is the first time I have scene this video.
Being prior USMC and being deployed to Iraq I know a lot about the mentality of "pay pack" and motivation to kill the enemy. That gets instilled in boot-camp and never really leaves. On the officer side (the one's qualified to fly the helicopters) It is somewhat a less brainwashed approach, but the emphasis is the same - pay back.

Now the video displays what appears to be a "detached" individual out for blood. These guys seem to have no emotional connection for sympathy for the enemy - and that is something that is extremely common. If you were trained to instinctively care for the enemy, you would hesitate to kill them, and jeopardize being killed. "you hesitate you die" or "you hesitate, other people die". Its a mentality that all military branches teach for combat.

At the same time, all military branches teach some form of critical thinking to avoid mistakes from killing innocent people and friendlies.

I sympathize for both the pilots and the journalists. Many people think the pilots have a cold blooded approach to their job, but that would go with the detachment from emotions to all assumed enemies.

I seriously do not think any pilot would have engaged if they saw "confirmed" children playing in the streets. It is frustrating to watch because any video of war I watch has to be out of context in some sense. People just assume the pilots are crusin around lookin for bad guys - and in some sense that is correct - but specifically where, comes from intelligence. Intel that supports the fact there will be hostile forces in a certain area, that may or may not influence a position on coalition forces. No one just cruises around without prior intel and orders of instruction to what they should or should not expect.

The pilots were already looking for something in this area, and the observation of the Ak 47's and RPG's follows the rules of hostile intent and under the rules of engagement that is all you need.

The only thing I condemn is what the pilot said about the innocent child being killed, It that is really the full effect of detachment. many people in here can't imagine the adrenaline rush of "pay back" and whether or not you agree with it, there is an emotionless override to protect their actions and separates these guys from normal reality. If some people heard an everyday enlisted conversation in the marines you would probably think they belonged in an insane asylum. Because a lot of it is disconnected from everyday reality, at the same time, marines are human like the rest of the branches, and its really all a matter of perspective to those who have been trained in that mind set.

Overall it is very unfortunate what happened, and there needs to more advanced technology in detecting what is hostile and what is friendly. The entire war is full of cloudy propaganda and misconstrued intentions, it confuses me most of the time.

If you people think there is absolutely no explanation for what these guys did, then you completely look past many conceptions of training and effects of combat that disconnect you from being sympathetic from taking another mans life. At least talk to some of the people that have been in combat and listen to how they describe their motivation to engage the enemy, so that you can see how war could become personal and vindictive. Maybe it isn't an excuse, but it is an explanation. And i'm sympathetic to the people who have to live with that guilt as well as those have PTSD and can't think like an everyday civilian because of "training".





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