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Originally posted by December_Rain
I just found out the United States Army Enemy Identification Guide
Originally posted by jerico65
On another thread on ATS, someone posted this link. Not sure if it was posted on this thread yet:
In that video clip, you can clearly see the guy with an RPG.
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Some people cannot get past the shooting of a wounded man crawling or a van with children there to collect the wounded or even the fact that we are there shooting anyone anyway, regardless of what they some of them were carrying.
Originally posted by jerico65
(removed smart ass remark. Not appropriate)
OK, the van. It comes rolling up to the scene.
Any markings on it? Anything like a Red Cross, Red Crescent, Red Lion? Anythign to show it's there to help, and not that it might be full of insurgents?
Nope, it didn't. Did the helicopter have to shoot it? Well, I honestly don't know. My opinion is that they should have waited, but I wasn't there.
And since when is a battlefield the time to do a "take your kid to work day" event?
[edit on 8-4-2010 by jerico65]
Since when do you get to define what is and is not a "battlefield." I am pretty sure those people just call it "home."
Originally posted by C0bzz
Flagged and starred.
I really don't know what to say. Well, I"m disgusted. I feel sick. I am angry that such stupidity can occur. The helicopter essentially fires on a group of unarmed people for no reason. Although some people looked like they had guns, they were for the most part unarmed and completely peaceful. Then a Van comes and they shoot that too, killing children.
[edit on 5/4/2010 by C0bzz]
Originally posted by joel.ohman
I see alot of ragging on this and yes hind sight is absolutely horrible. So i took a version of the video and showed it to some family and friends. I know even with labels and having seen other footage from that distance also taking into account the sun glare the people in the heli were getting not to mention they probably had some sort of head gear and or goggles on to make even further difficult and the screens in those things are fairly poor and low res as it is. I didnt even see the kids until they were pointed out to me and i saw nothing that defined those things over their shoulders as cameras and out when it is aimed directly around the corner it thought to myself it look like an rpg before it was even said. Also how many iraqis do you think are running around with 3 ft $1000 cameras. personally i would have made all the same assumptions. Yet another point iraqis dont have a national identity so to say that oph those people were just help out their country men... not likely. It is rare for anyone to help anyone outside of their own family or tribe. otherwise as everyone knows there you stand a good chance of getting caught in the crossfire which is usually shii against sunni. But back to as i was say i showed a copy with out all the little arrows and such to family and friends and not one of them was able to point out children or cameras or anything of the sort. did we find the situation upsetting of course we all did and non of us agree with the war either. but you are condemning people with hind sight. What enrages me is not the act however but the lack of remorse and ignorant bliss of everyone that made a press release regarding the incident. Yes hind sight is was horrible but lets be realistic how many of you could see cameras and children withouth them being pointed out to you.