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Originally posted by sos37
Okay, so I want to take a more objective look at the footage. I've watched the video again and I believe this tragic occurrence is a combination of genuine misunderstanding and an overzealous few in the military who want to shoot because they think it's fun. Look at this pic of the footage early on. You see two guys with straps over their shoulders.
So first, keep in mind these troops have been over there for a long time now and they've seen a lot more insurgency than you and I have seen. They know what to look for. Seeing guys with straps on their shoulders in a group in public probably set off alarm bells.
You also have to think about one other thing - why were war photographers in this area to begin with? Probably for the same reason the military was - this particular area was hot! So let's assume the area is hot (hot with insurgent activity), a crowd appears and you see men with guns and two with shoulder straps - we'll get to the guns next.
While the still frame of the above pic doesn't look like much, in the video you can tell that these objects are clearly rifles. The appearance of guns in a crowd adds to the tension. It's what happens next that send the helicopter guys into a tizzy.
The camera guy, Saeed, peers around a corner with a huge telephoto lens on a camera to get a shot of something. Remember we've already established that this must be a hot area, hence the reason why the war photographers and the military are here in the first place. From the air, it's not really clear what this is. But if I were a chopper pilot who was used to seeing RPG carriers take the same stance from around a corner with an RPG launcher, I'd be on red alert, too.
Another shot of Saeed with his telephoto lens and the shadow it cast.
Here's a zoom of Saeed with his telephoto lens in the above pic. Now I want you to look at this pic here. This is not a pic from this event:
Notice the bottom of the RPG launcher. I've grayscaled the image and blurred it to match what the black and white image in the chopper cam would look like. There's a striking similarity between a telephoto lens and the bottom of an RPG launcher, especially when the image is blurry. Do you see how a mistake could have been made at that point?
Now, that being said, this is the point in the video where I start to lose faith in some human beings.
The above still has the guy's single word summary as he surveys the carnage they've just unleashed - "Nice".
Now when the van comes up, I honestly CANNOT make out that what is circled in red in the pic above are children. I can't tell that they are even people until they start moving because the quality of the video is so bad and it's in black and white.
Originally posted by Final Solstice
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want a military who are a bunch of carebears when it comes to doing service for our country.
I'm sorry but you guys are blowing this out of proportion, end of story.
Originally posted by Asherah
They couldn't tell that Saeed didn't have a weapon?? Really? Because from THEIR view I can see he has a camera strap and a phone in his hand.
And one of them has the utter nerve to call himself "crazy horse".
May God have mercy on their souls for the evil they did that day.
I sincerely believe these "soldiers" are possessed by evil and have lost every bit of their minds. This is what evil looks like.
They were really getting off on killing these people. And people wonder why support and respect for the troops has sunk.
[edit on 6-4-2010 by Asherah]
Originally posted by Asherah
Also, I don't think anyone should get to call themselves crazy horse as a nickname, especially those who have no honor. I'm done.