Crash the tea parties!

Want to crash the TEA Parties? Don't forget to mix into the massive crowds and incite violence and call black people n-words.....wait that has already happened.

Nevermind.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
I suggest people actually do some research into the Marxist economy as a system and build a movement around that!

Waving a bunch of banners saying "we don't want health-care" is freaking stoooopid!!
(true) Communism > Anarchism
Tea Party Movement = Disenfranchised public with little to know idea what they're on about.
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Please don't talk about stupidity when you seem to back the most backward, stupid, and destructive ideology that has ever existed....

Sorry, but a book, nor several books written by a bunch of leftists who have never set foot on any Communist country, and much less experienced Communism, or the Marxist ideas, have no idea nor concept of what Marxism/Communism is all about....

People who back Marxism/Communism= people with too much time, have a too small cranial cavity to have enough brains to reason, and who have little to "NO" idea of what they are on about....

BTW, if you had any real education you would know the difference betwen "no" and "know"...

What a self-righteous git, you misspelt between, betwen ...
Your argument here is what exactly, the people who wrote about Marxism, and brought it into society have no idea what it’s about?

And that people who understand the ideals of democratic ownership of the means of production, the class struggle between bourgeoisie (the very rich, who own the means of production and wealth creation) and the proletariat (the people who must work for a living to survive and make others rich) and true decentralised power structures – are stupid, backward, destructive, cannot reason and have small cranial cavities.

Awesome logic and reasoning there...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Then Stalin came and ruined it, and the west invented the Red Scare.

OooOooohhh.

Millions of other people, as well as I LIVED the "red scare".....and it wasn't invented by the west.....

Talk about someone who is uneducated, and has "no" idea as to what they are on about....

Oh, and btw...the Constitution "was" not only important back in the old days, it still IS important... But of course, that is something someone like you would never understand...

I’ll bite, where did you :quote: LIVE the “red scare” :endquote: ?

The first Red Scare happened in and around 1917 – 20s when workers were waking up to the virtual feudalism they were living in, and began striking etc, and the government made hundreds of illegal arrests of people using their right to form workers unions and express the need for a social democracy, and used it as an excuse to introduce The Espionage Act and Sedition Act of 1917-18. And who was “scared”, the government, the bankers, the factory owners and the sheeple who read the news papers without thinking at the time.

The second Red Scare was post WW2 hysteria and power grabbing. Stalin was a Totalitarian Tyrant who used terrorism, and propaganda to come across as Communist – he was not! Maybe you should read some stuff about Trotsky and then we can have a ration conversation about what Communism is or isn’t, was or wasn’t.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Rockpuck
I agree. But it was also founded to be Capitalist.

There is nothing wrong with a country being Capitalist, and in fact Capitalism has allowed for people, even poor people to rise above the poverty into which they were born, if they worked hard enough to earn it. This is something that in many other countries, and more so, non-Capitalist countries

[FRAGMENTED SENTENCE! ALERT! ALERT!]

There’s nothing wrong with Grass Roots Capitalism, but there is everything wrong in Capitalism on a grand-scale! It’s incredibly wasteful, creates poverty, destroys nature, creates mindless consumers, destroys local communities, destroys 3rd world nations, limits progress, retards scientific method, segregates people, creates things of pointless trivial importance, limits freedom of thought, creates scarcity, etc etc etc etc etc.

What exactly are you working hard enough to earn?
Running water, Food, Shelter, Education, Healthcare, Transportation... These are basic human rights, but unless you’re rich enough to afford them you are devoid of adequacy. Why is my person judged by the amount of money I can accumulate instead of my contribution to society?

If American style Capitalism is so great, why is 25% of people living in America below the UN Poverty line?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
The United States is not a Democracy, it is a Republic, and I don't know who told you that Socialism or Communism can exist in the Republic, but it is not true, simply because in Communism, and true/scientific Socialism people cannot own property, own firearms, and there is not even free speech allowed in true Socialist, and Communist countries, all of this, and much more goes against the Constitution of the United States, and if you are an American you should know that the Constitution of the United States is the law of the land, and i don't care what "Progressives"/Democrats/Socialists. or even Communists might tell you, but the Constitution is more important than any president, or any law that the Feds pass, or try to pass.

And in your Republic you’ve virtually got two choices that are exactly the same, who cater to a small circle of massive corporations. Of which are not mentioned in the constitution – yet they have a greater control over what your life and standard of living is/was/going to be. Where is the representation of the people in that?

And you don’t know what you’re talking about it in terms of Communism and/or “Scientific Socialism”. There is a difference between everyone/no-one owning the means to production (ie property) and having a house to live out your life in and call your own. And what does Communism have anything to do with possessing a firearm??? And free speech would be much greater in a Communist system, though reasoning and logic would have a greater role to play instead of ego-driven non-sense.

Communism is the greatest form of Direct Democracy there is if its pure in intent (ie not worrying about fighting off an invasion). The only problem is the access to resources – that’s why a workers revolution must be international. Because if nuclear cold fusion is the best energy source we can come up with, and you live in Cuba – you gotta hope the US sanctions don’t cover Uranium or Plutonium or you’re screwed.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Now I am confused, in your previous statement you claim and I quote: "It was also founded to be a Representative Democracy, of which Socialism, Fascism and other Isms define the actions of said Democracies." I am not mixing ideologies, with governing structures, you are. The Constitution of the United States, which is a Representative REPUBLIC does not allow for Socialism, Communism, Fascism, or any other such ism.

Does the constitution specify the adherence to a particular economic model?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Rockpuck
The Republican Party (unless you are being facetious) IS Fascist. Sorry, but if you are a Conservative (True Conservative) you would despise the Republican Party.. what they say and do are polar opposites.

I am sorry but that is not true. i might disagree with at least some of the things they do or say, but they are not Fascist. Do you have any idea what Facism means? If the Republican Party was Fascist, we wouldn't be having a "Progressive" president in power, and a Democrat/Progressive administration. Not to mention the fact that DEMOCRATS are a mayority in both the Senate, and the House, and they ahve been so during the Bish years.

Facism? Mayority? Ahve? Bish years?? - So self-righteous...

Do you even KNOW what Fascism is?
”Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives, values, and systems such as the political system and the economy. Generally considered to be on the far-right of the political spectrum. And commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.”

If that doesn’t describe the maJority of Republicans (especially during the BUsh years), than I’m afraid that you HAVE been watching too much Glenn Beck. Mind you, Obama is just as bad as Bush, simply because he is continuing the policies that preceded him.

OooOOh he creates some healthcare scheme to work for the insurance companies, and all of a sudden he’s progressive? You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Whats the difference between a Republican and a Democrat? Religion.

lol, you are SURELY confused. There are a lot more differences. Democrats want more Social programs, welfare, and a much bigger government, Republicans want more individual freedom, and personal resposibility, as well as smaller government.

Everything the democrats “want” you just mentioned are falsehoods and token statements sent out through the TV to give the illusion it is different to the Republicans, and to quell if any distress that could be violent or disruptive to the system. And the only Freedoms Republicans want you to have is the freedom to consume, you are held responsible for being taken advantage of, and smaller government by means of giving power to un-elected private corporations and invested interests.

YAY FOR FREEDOM!! /sarcasm

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Both aim for a corporate sponsored Socialist Government, only one through means of a Religious method and the other a secular method. Talk to any Republican, they want health care and medicare, and social security.. and if it were not for gays, minorities, and anti religious attitudes, they would be Democrats.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
All forms of government can be corrupted if allowed. Look at Canada, a very leftist, very Liberal country which has an extremely corrupt government.

IMO, for the United States, the Republic, as founded by the forefathers is the form of government that should exist, but the rich Socialist elites could not allow for the Republic of the U.S. to have so much power, so they corrupted it from within, and installed puppets which will give power once more to the rich Socialist elites.

Canada is NOWHERE NEAR VERY LEFT, VERY LIBERAL!!

You have no idea what your talking about because you’re speaking from the typical American sheeple point of view. By the rest of the worlds standards Canada is centralist.
A Rich-Socialist is an oxymoronic statement.


[edit on 6/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

reply to post by ghostsoldier

Stalin was a Totalitarian Tyrant who used terrorism, and propaganda to come across as Communist – he was not!

Indeed, Stalin was not a Communist .. he was a Socialist. Or a Stalinist. communism is the best possible political structure, however like Anarchy I don't believe it could ever work .. simply because of Human Nature.

It's a Utopian idea.

There’s nothing wrong with Grass Roots Capitalism, but there is everything wrong in Capitalism on a grand-scale

I choose to call "grand-scale" capitalism "corporatism" .. which is essentially what the Western world has turned to.. the media calls it "to big to fail" .. if it's to big to fail, it's to big to exist.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Stalin was a Totalitarian Tyrant who used terrorism, and propaganda to come across as Communist – he was not!

Indeed, Stalin was not a Communist .. he was a Socialist. Or a Stalinist.

communism is the best possible political structure, however like Anarchy I don't believe it could ever work .. simply because of Human Nature.

It's a Utopian idea.

I dunno, that's the argument everyone raises, and its true to a point - but if it was implemented on a global scale and there was no threat of war or resource sanctions, after two or three generations it would stick, and there would be a massive reduction in the problems we face today as a result of Corporatism and/or Capitalism.

I mean Corporatism is by nature made to function with our compliance to live by the reptile part of our brain (isopraxic, preservative, re-enactment, tropistic, and deceptive) - then we have the mammalian part that allows us to nurture our young and operate in small groups and networks. But the thing we're not educated enough about is the potential of our homo-sapien brain that allows for complex reasoning, forward thinking, logical and creative processes and information filtering. And really that is the conspiracy. So what is our true potential when we cut through all the cultural behavior that we are brainwashed into, and the stereotypes and fads that are created and propagated.

What is nature (biology) and what is nurture (education, infrastructure, environment, stimuli, surroundings, diet, etc) ?

Originally posted by Rockpuck

There’s nothing wrong with Grass Roots Capitalism, but there is everything wrong in Capitalism on a grand-scale

I choose to call "grand-scale" capitalism "corporatism" .. which is essentially what the Western world has turned to.. the media calls it "to big to fail" .. if it's to big to fail, it's to big to exist.

Word to that.





Tea Party Tea Party Anarchist Anarchist Blah blah blah.

[edit on 6/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

Originally posted by Rockpuck

...You are a Republican. This is why you cannot SEE. You believe in the two parties, you support this idea .. you actually believe the two parties are different.. anyone on ATS will attest.. you cannot see.

I am the one that can't see?.... No, you are the one who doesn't want to see... I told you SEVERAL times now that the Republican party is very corrupted, and it doesn't represent what real Republicanism is all about. But for some reason you keep ignoring it every time I wrote it....

Just because the Republican party is corrupted it doesn't mean that i must stop being a Republican...which is something YOU, and some others don't seem to want to understand....

There is a Progressive administration now in power...does it mean that I must stop being an American?..... NO.....

This is a Representative Republic...not a Democracy... In a Democracy the mayority rules and can take away the rights of the minorities.... Iraq under Hussein WAS a DEMOCRACY... The MAYORITY RULED and they took away the rights of minorities, and even set forth to exterminate them.... THAT WAS A DEMOCRACY....

TPTB, and the media has been brainwashing people like you into believing the U.S. is a Democracy....

They have been doing this simply for the fact that they can claim that they can take the rights of certain minorities away "because the mayority says so"... rights such as the Second Amendment can be taken away, or even be heavily restricted when people are being led to believe that the Republic is a Democracy.... But for some reason people can't see this...

Originally posted by Rockpuck
The US is a Republic, however a Republic does not demand election, only representation of various states, commonwealths, and territories be represented in a unified governing body, or Union. Democracy is the act of Voting .. so while the US is in fact a Republic, it is also a Representative Democracy. This is political fact.. in fact, the way the US is actually set up, its more in line with a Confederation than it is a Republic.

Are you kidding me?... The form of government that exist in the Republic is explained in the Constitution... what a Representative Republic means in the U.S. is not the same as in some other country.... This is explained in whatever document is the foundation, or building block of such country... in the United States it is the Constitution, which explains the three branches of government, and how the people must be represented...

That document, The Constitution, is what demands what types of election, what type of government etc must exist in such country....

It is the Constitution, alongside the other documents which describe everything about the United States and explains everything about this country...

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Lets recap (isnt school fun?) the US is a Constitutional Republic. It is ALSO a Representative Democracy. The people directly elect a Representative to vote for them among the Federal Government, while the States (Republic) elects the Executive (President) ..

Wrong, if this was a country were the people as a mayority could elect "directly a representative" then minorities would never be represented....

There is also the fact, which apparently you don't know, the forefathers made sure that "the mob didn't rule", that is that the mayority wouldn't be the only ones who could elect a president. This is why the Electoral college exists, so that "the mayority doesn't rule".

If you need me to explain how the Electoral College works, and why it exists, I can school you some more on it because you seem to not know much about it.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
But again .. we agree.. yet we disagree .. which I believe the problem simply lies in the fact that you are a staunch Republican, and because of this you cannot See.

I am a Republican for the fact that the U.S. Constitution explains what form of government is the only one that must be guaranteed to every state...and because I agree with it. I agree with the Constution of the United States as it was written by the forefathers, and I agree with them that a representative Republic, and a Republican form of government is the best form of government to rule.

U.S. Constitution - Article 4 Section 4

Article 4 - The States
Section 4 - Republican Government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,......

www.usconstitution.net...

This does not mean that I must accept what the Republican party is doing....because in many occasions they go against what it means to be a Republican.

Just like I don't stop being an American because there is a "Progressive administration and President in power".... I won't stop being a true son of the Republic, a true Republican...

I am also a very spiritual person, but that doesn't make me a "religious zealous" like atheists believe....

But of course, this is something you cannot understand, nor will most probably never understand....



[edit on 6-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by ghostsoldier

What a self-righteous git, you misspelt between, betwen

...
Your argument here is what exactly, the people who wrote about Marxism, and brought it into society have no idea what it’s about?

BS, the only self righteous gits are those who have brought Marxism to the world, and those who keep trying to spread the plague and disease that is Marxism/Communism...

Someone like you would never understand why I am so against stupid morons who still claim Marxism/Communism is great... Because you can't see that when a small group of people have ALL the power, they ALWAYS become monsters...

People like you still adore che guevara... but you have never read what he wrote, and you never heard, or even witnessed what he did to spread Communism...

che guevara LOVED to use his knowledge in medicine to torture prisoners, and he was castro's executioner...

che guevara wrote that he loved to murder people, and he was ALWAYS anxious to spill more blood.... That is what "constant revolution means".... and Communism/Marxism brings "constant revolution", which means there is always war and conflicts....

I lived through Communism, and I don't want to see another self righteous moron trying to revive the disease that is Marxism/Communism....

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
..............
Awesome logic and reasoning there...

Really?... that must be why every freaking country which has embraced Marxism/Communism has been so good for the people and country where it was accepted heh?.... The "awesome logic" seems to escape people like you....

Awesome logic "ghostsoldier".... To want to once again bring forth the same moronic disease that is Marxism/Communism so that other countries and people can be subjected to the "selfrighteous whims" of morons who can't see beyong their own noses.

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
I’ll bite, where did you :quote: LIVE the “red scare” :endquote: ?

From you.... You claimed, like some others who have no idea what they are talking about "that there was no red scare"....

Communist regimes are still trying to spread Communism/Marxism to every corner of the world...and they were trying to do the same in the United States.... The "red scare' WAS, and IS still real...

But of course, you are going to side with idiots like Barbara Boxer who claimed some years back that "Communism is dead"....

And BTW, it was you who claimed other people were not "educated", so I showed that you don't even know the difference between "no" and "know"...

I know how "between" is spelled very well, but I can only write with one hand, but of course, "a self righteous git" who thinks "only he is educated" such as yourself will use an excuse like that when I have written "between" many times in the past and I spelled it right... But i have noticed that people like you ALWAYS show that you don't know the difference between certain words like "no" and "know"...

If you didn't claim that you were so much educated than everyone else who didn't accept Communism/Marxism I would not have brought this up...

quote]Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The first Red Scare happened in and around 1917 – 20s when workers were waking up to the virtual feudalism they were living in, and began striking etc,.........

AND IT WAS GOOD THAT IT HAPPENED.... At least the indoctrination by the Communist morons was stopped for a time...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The second Red Scare was post WW2 hysteria and power grabbing.

And Again...IT WAS GOOD that it happened....and it wasn't "hysteria and power grabbing"... It was the effort by intelligent people to stop the spread of the lies, and the disease that is Communism/Marxism...

For crying out loud.. Communist China brought Communism by force to countries like Vietnam, but the lefties always blame the U.S. and say nothing about what Communist China, and other countries like the U.S.S.R. Cuba, and others have done...

Yes, there has been a constant effort by Communists to spread their lies around the world, and even to start wars, and conflicts to countries that couldn't fight back....

Then you had morons in the U.S., and infiltrators who tried to brainwash people into believing that Communism/Marxism is great and it liberates the people, and people like you want to claim that the "red scare never existed, and it was hysteria and power grabbing?....

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Stalin was a Totalitarian Tyrant who used terrorism, and propaganda to come across as Communist – he was not! Maybe you should read some stuff about Trotsky and then we can have a ration conversation about what Communism is or isn’t, was or wasn’t.

BS...that is the same stupid excuse every Communist comes up with trying to spread the lies of Communism...

Stalin did EXACTLY what Communism/Marxism does to a country.... what is going to be the excuse you are going to give for EVERY country which embraced Marxism/Communism and brought nothing more than OPPRESSION AND SUFFERING?....

But of course you are going to claim "that isn't Communism".... Yet EVERY TIME the disease that Communism/Marxism is brought to a nation, either by force, or by brainwashing the people has ALWAYS, and will ALWAYS result in the same, the oppression and suffering of the people of such country....

BTW, I don't know what a "ration conversation is", if you meant a "rational conversation" I was indoctrinated into reading, and listening all the writtings of those Communist/Marxist morons. So thanks, but no. I know very well what was written by those idiots....

People like you can't understand, for some strange reason, that once ALL POWER is given to the state whoever rules the state rules the people...and the people NEVER get to rule... That is only an illusion...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
There’s nothing wrong with Grass Roots Capitalism, but there is everything wrong in Capitalism on a grand-scale! It’s incredibly wasteful, creates poverty, destroys nature, creates mindless consumers, destroys local communities, destroys 3rd world nations, limits progress, retards scientific method, segregates people, creates things of pointless trivial importance, limits freedom of thought, creates scarcity, etc etc etc etc etc.

BS.... Communism does even worse... You just have to visit every Communist country to see the destruction of nature, and mankind which those who embrace Communism/Marxism bring to a country....

As for "poverty"?.... Most people in Communist countries are poorer than most people living in Capitalist count

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
What exactly are you working hard enough to earn?
Running water, Food, Shelter, Education, Healthcare, Transportation... These are basic human rights, but unless you’re rich enough to afford them you are devoid of adequacy. Why is my person judged by the amount of money I can accumulate instead of my contribution to society?

You think those basic human rights are free even in countries that have accepted Socialism in part?.... There are taxes left and right, and pretty much every country in the world has problems...

And please don't try to claim that because some SMALL country has less problems than the U.S., that the form of government of that country is much better....


[edit on 6-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
If American style Capitalism is so great, why is 25% of people living in America below the UN Poverty line?

First of all, I am certain that you are exagerating the percentage....but anyways, i want to ask you, if Communism is so great then why is it that 99.999% of the people who live under Communism/Marxism are all POORER, and SUFFERING MORE than in most Capitalist countries?....

Again, don't even attempt to give as an example African countries where there are either Islamic militants attacking, and killing people, or warlords.... Those are not Capitalist nations, those are dictatorships and have nothing in common with Capitalism....

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
And in your Republic you’ve virtually got two choices that are exactly the same, who cater to a small circle of massive corporations. Of which are not mentioned in the constitution – yet they have a greater control over what your life and standard of living is/was/going to be. Where is the representation of the people in that?

And it was thanks to "Progressives"/Socialists like Woodrow Wilson that the United States of America is in this state....

Woodrow Wilson a Democrat who signed into law the Federal Reserve Act giving all economic power to banks, and the rich elite...

Not only that, but it was Woodrow Wilson, a Progressive Democrat, or another word for Socialist, who also set up the current IRS system....

AGAIN, this is another example of how the "Progressives/Socialists/Communists" destroy a nation.... I do thank you for bringing this up......

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
And you don’t know what you’re talking about it in terms of Communism and/or “Scientific Socialism”. There is a difference between everyone/no-one owning the means to production (ie property) and having a house to live out your life in and call your own. And what does Communism have anything to do with possessing a firearm??? And free speech would be much greater in a Communist system, though reasoning and logic would have a greater role to play instead of ego-driven non-sense.

I know what I am talking about, you are the one who thinks that by reading one book you know everything there is to know about Communism, when you can't even understand what you are reading....

In Communism the STATE owns EVERYTHING, and the STATE decides what people need, or what they don't need..... and STILL you must buy that which the STATE claims you can buy...

In Communism the STATE can take away your house, the same one which was built by your family, and they can give it away to someone else because that other family has 1 more relative.... and the STATE can put your family in a SMALLER house just because you have 1 less relative....

I KNOW what I am talking about because I LIVED through Communism, and I STILL have family in Communist Cuba...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Communism is the greatest form of Direct Democracy there is if its pure in intent (ie not worrying about fighting off an invasion). The only problem is the access to resources – that’s why a workers revolution must be international. Because if nuclear cold fusion is the best energy source we can come up with, and you live in Cuba – you gotta hope the US sanctions don’t cover Uranium or Plutonium or you’re screwed.

BS.. Communism is the greatest dictatorial rule that has ever existed... EVEN IN I'TS PUREST FORM.... People like you can't understand for some strange reason that HUMANS ARE NOT PERFECT NOR PURE....

Worker's revolution my behind... you try to start one and see where you are going to end... There are millions of people who like me have experienced the disease you want to spread around the world, and eventually we will stop you.... Just @#$#%^ try it...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Does the constitution specify the adherence to a particular economic model?

Yes it does... How is it possible for every American to have the possibility to own property and land?... in Communism, and even in Socialism the people cannot own property, the STATE owns it all...

Are there Americans who can't own land...yes, unfortunately it is true...but the same happens in every country, except in Communist/Marxist countries where THE STATE OWNS IT ALL.....

[edit on 6-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

"Anarchists " are just parasitic losers who cannot succeed on their own and they cant stand to see others do so either, so they throw in with people who share the same affliction such as "progressives" and other leftists.

They are envious others own property, yet they are gigantic failures in life and cannot afford to buy property.

They are envious of people who make money, because they are too lazy to do so.

. They want government to redistribute everything because thats how parasites act. What they cant do on their own, they want done for them.

The only true use for "anarchists" is to be used as test platforms for the effectiveness of steamrollers.

[edit on 6-4-2010 by brainwrek]

Yes, we must save Dick Armey and the terrorists (who want revolution..GO FIGURE!!) he lobbies for in Iran!

The tea parties are bunk....and yes...the story you provided IS ACTUALLY LINKED ON FREEDOM WORKS.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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They won't pay attention, David. They just want to squabble about which political ethos can claim rights to the concept of "anarchy", all the while ignoring the fact that anarchy goes against all forms of hierarchy, be that the state, the church and the structure of the wage system... but I digress.

Rah, rah! Dick Armey will lead the us Tea Partynauts straight into victory come 2012 and then straight into downtown Tehran on the back of an Abrams tank!

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Again, don't even attempt to give as an example African countries where there are either Islamic militants attacking, and killing people, or warlords.... Those are not Capitalist nations, those are dictatorships and have nothing in common with Capitalism....

Hey, why not? African countries like Somalia are some of the Freest Markets on the planet... no government intervention whatsoever! And no oppressive centralized government to muck everything up and ruin everybody's day.

And since when can there be no capitalist dictatorships? Wasn't there some guy named PINOCHET down South a couple of decades ago? Let me guess, he was a socialist too, just like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Martin Luther King, George W. Bush, Jesus Christ, etc?

The obfuscation is getting old, man.

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The only true use for "anarchists" is to be used as test platforms for the effectiveness of steamrollers.

Awesome, I just love the way you wish violence on those that disagree with you. Do you celebrate Tiananmen Square day? I know, I know, it was dem Dirty Reds that did that, but the act is the same, no?

[edit on 6-4-2010 by Someone336]

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They won't pay attention, David.

Yeah, I've definitely figured that out. Has to make one wonder why ALL of the corporate media ignores this....even MSNBC...who continually trashes the tea party movement when CNN is sympathetic to them and Fox promotes them (NOT surprising).

The info is out there and most of it isn't even hard to find. Hell, just sign up with Freedom Works. They'll start sending you emails telling you to go out and protest on april 15th...again. They are hoping for 1 million to hit the streets this time.

It's obvious they are pushing the entire Tea Party Movement and have pretty much taken the thing over.

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I might just sign up for Freedom Works, just for kicks. I might even go crash some Tea Parties with some anarchists, perhaps hand out fliers on Dick Armey's (where did this guy get that name?) ties to terrorists, the intelligence community, theocracy supporters, eugenics researchers and racists.

On second thought, I'd probably get tarred, feathered, branded as a Commie Lover, and ran out of town on a splintery rail, or whatever it is we do to Secret Soviet Agents/Federal Agitators/Jews? Muslims? down here in modern 1954.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


GOD HAVE MERCY.

What a clueless bunch of suicidal REGRESSIVES.

The rush to Armageddon continues.

The longing for more Soddom and Gomorrah continues.

The !!!!DEMAND!!!! for a free lunch at someone else's expense continues.

The ASSUMPTIONS that all the things that have destroyed nations and cultures throughout history . . . the assumptions that those things are wonderful and PROGRESSIVE continues.

The demand for straight-jacket-black-booted-globalist tyranny--the era of THE BLADE RUNNER--continues.

Those with a hunger for 1984/BRAVE NEW WORLD/BLADE RUNNER/ etc. by those with more emptiness than synapses between their ears continues.

Those who glorify selfisheness, arrogance, rebellion and have the idiocy to think that such values are great foundations and management styles for an enduring culture . . . continue their whining, !!!!DEMANDING!!!!, complaining, disrupting, pulling the house down around their ears.

Thankfully, the housecleaning is scheduled.

We seem to be racing toward it at an increasing speed.

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The !!!!DEMAND!!!! for a free lunch at someone else's expense continues.

Oh no, the dirty commies are going to take all my money and give it to somebody else!

Honestly, I'm not sure where this "free lunch" idea came from. First off, you're confusing "socialism" with a "social democracy". Second, in said "social democracy" everyone would put money into the put via taxes so everyone would benefit.

The ASSUMPTIONS that all the things that have destroyed nations and cultures throughout history . . . the assumptions that those things are wonderful and PROGRESSIVE continues.

I'd play the card of the Nordic countries of Northern Europe but I'm sure it would fall unto deaf ears.

The demand for straight-jacket-black-booted-globalist tyranny--the era of THE BLADE RUNNER--continues.

Methinks you need to look at this image from Blade Runner and tell me what system the movie is critiquing:



A quick glance online tells me that Blade Runner is a "cyberpunk film"

Wikipedia says of this genre:

Cyberpunk plots often center on a conflict among hackers, artificial intelligences, and megacorporations, and tend to be set in a near-future Earth, rather than the far-future settings or galactic vistas found in novels such as Isaac Asimov's Foundation or Frank Herbert's Dune.[5] The settings are usually post-industrial dystopias but tend to be marked by extraordinary cultural ferment and the use of technology in ways never anticipated by its creators ("the street finds its own uses for things").[6] Much of the genre's atmosphere echoes film noir, and written works in the genre often use techniques from detective fiction.[7]

I would wager that this genre, as well as the film Blade Runner, is forecasting a dystopic future based on rampant crony capitalism.

I would also like to point out that the small successes of socialism and social democracies - northern Europe, worker co-ops, universal healthcare in France, etc, have not led to "blacked-booted tyranny' in any way, shape, or form.

Those with a hunger for 1984/BRAVE NEW WORLD/BLADE RUNNER/ etc. by those with more emptiness than synapses between their ears continues.

Uh-huh, more allegations of brainlessness, showing a lack of ability to formulate real retorts and a tendency to paint with wide brushes. Fortunately most people can see past this rudimentary form of propaganda. Here's an idea, how about engage in intellectual discourse and not fear every lefty who disagrees with you?

Oh, I would also like to point out that Brave New World is a critique of both socialism AND capitalism - did you miss out the whole Henry Ford/Messiah thing? On a similar note, George Orwell also spoke out against corporatism. Did you know that Orwell was a life-long critic of free market theory?

Thankfully, the housecleaning is scheduled.

We seem to be racing toward it at an increasing speed.

And what is said housecleaning?

Originally posted by ghostsoldier

Facism? Mayority? Ahve? Bish years??

- So self-righteous...

I have no idea what in the world you are talking about... Obviously there are several people extremely ignorant of everything they write about...

First of all if you are talking about the "Bush years" and that Republicans were a mayority, you are not only ignorant but delluded...

In both the House of Representatives, and the Senate DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN THE MAYORITY for several years now, and including during Bush years....

BTW, talking about "selfrighteousness" I wonder who is DEMANDING for everyone to do their bidding...and please don't tell me about the war in Iraq because IRAQUIS for the first time in their lives were able to vote, and the so called "freedom fighters" that many people from outside Iraq LOVE bombed and attacked Iraquis for voting...

OH, and let's remember that DEMOCRATS were stopping funds which were needed to better equip our troops, including to rig our military hunvees to be bullet proof....and they did this for "political reasons"...

But anyway, and once again...Republicans in power don't really represent what is a Republican... Many of them are neo-cons, which means they were once and for a long time part of the left and were even Democrats but changed sides to infiltrate the Republican party. The rest, for the most part seem to have been bought off.. But back to the topic at hand...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
If that doesn’t describe the maJority of Republicans (especially during the BUsh years), than I’m afraid that you HAVE been watching too much Glenn Beck. Mind you, Obama is just as bad as Bush, simply because he is continuing the policies that preceded him.

For crying outloud...a fascist government wages war INSIDE THAT NATION, and systematically go about exterminating the oposition....

You have no idea what in the world you are talking about...
Franco was a fascist in Spain and he sent troops against Spaniards who were Communists, and or anarchists and set out to spread "the proletariat revolution throughout Spain... There was barely any crime during Franco's reign.

But i have noticed that many Americans, and people from outside Spain don't know, or didn't know that the Communists were trying to spread their "proletariat revolution" with violence which is why Franco became fascist...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
OooOOh he creates some healthcare scheme to work for the insurance companies, and all of a sudden he’s progressive?

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

i don't know what I am talking about?...really?...

Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative or reactionary ideologies.

en.wikipedia.org...

That's from a "leftist" website....

It is very clear who doesn't know what in the world he is talking about, and that person is you.....

Originally posted by Rockpuck
..................
. And the only Freedoms Republicans want you to have is the freedom to consume, you are held responsible for being taken advantage of, and smaller government by means of giving power to un-elected private corporations and invested interests.

Again, and for the hundredth time that is not Republicanism.... It was thanks to a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson that the Republic was sold to the elite bankers...to the rich elites...

The PROGRESSIVE Democrat Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, and he implemented the current IRS system...

It was, and has been the PROGRESSIVES who have corrupted the Republic..

Originally posted by Rockpuck
YAY FOR FREEDOM!! /sarcasm

YAY FOR PROGRESS!!! /sarcasm.....

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Both aim for a corporate sponsored Socialist Government, only one through means of a Religious method and the other a secular method. Talk to any Republican, they want health care and medicare, and social security.. and if it were not for gays, minorities, and anti religious attitudes, they would be Democrats.

They are aiming towards SOCIALISM as you stated because the Socialist elites have been infiltrating the U.S. government for decades, as well as other governments... that is "Progress" for you...

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Canada is NOWHERE NEAR VERY LEFT, VERY LIBERAL!!

Of course, for a COMMUNIST such as yourself Canada is nowhere close to YOUR standards....

Originally posted by Rockpuck
You have no idea what your talking about because you’re speaking from the typical American sheeple point of view.

I have a very good idea of what I am talking about.. I actually lived through Communism, meanwhile you are most probably just another either westerner who has swallowed the Communist lies...

The only "sheeple" are people like you who despite the reality that EVERY country which has embraced Communism/Marxism has become just another SOCIALIST DICTATORSHIP, yet there are still ignorant fools who claim "Communism/Marxism is great", and these people, just like you want to continue to spread the "Communist revolution"... In other words, you just want to spread war, missery and oppression that always results from the embrace of the Communist lies....

BTW, the rich elites are trying to spread Socialism, which is part of what you believe, and you ahve swallowed their propaganda so much that you are even more leftist than they are... Talk about "being a sheeple"...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
By the rest of the worlds standards Canada is centralist.

You mean, by YOUR Communist standards....

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
A Rich-Socialist is an oxymoronic statement.

Tell that to the rich Socialists all over he world....



[edit on 8-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by Someone336

Hey, why not? African countries like Somalia are some of the Freest Markets on the planet... no government intervention whatsoever! And no oppressive centralized government to muck everything up and ruin everybody's day.

BS...freest markets on the planet...

The only ones who are free to do what they want are the warlords, and the dictatorships in power....

And you claim there is no "centralized government to muck everything up and ruin everybody's day"?..... You have got to be kidding... Islamic governments are going after, and exterminating black non-africans, or even Christians, and in other parts warlords are subjugating the people, killing them, and even not allowing any sort of aid to reach the people, yet you claim "people's days are not being ruined"?...

Originally posted by Someone336
And since when can there be no capitalist dictatorships?

Where did i say there weren't?....

Originally posted by Someone336
Wasn't there some guy named PINOCHET down South a couple of decades ago?

Let me guess, he was a socialist too, just like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Martin Luther King, George W. Bush, Jesus Christ, etc?

Hitler was not a Socialist?...Mussolini was not a Socialist either? Talk about obfuscation....

Originally posted by Someone336
The obfuscation is getting old, man.

Yeah, the obfuscation by people like you...

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

constitutionalistnc.tripod.com...

I wonder why Mussolini named italy as the Italian SOCIAL Republic...

I guess Mussolini was not active in the Italian socialist movement in Switzerland according to you....

I guess, according to you, before Mussolini became a dictator he wasn't editor of the Socialist newspaper Avanti....

Yeah, Mussolini was not a Socialsit....

As for Franco, perhaps you should go to Spain and talk to people and ask them why so many elder folk miss the old days when there was almost no crime at all.

If the Communists, and anarchists in Spain weren't trying to "spread the revolution", and if they didn't start conflicts around Spain, Franco wouldn't have done the things he did...

[edit on 8-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
[...]
Someone like you would never understand why I am so against stupid morons who still claim Marxism/Communism is great... Because you can't see that when a small group of people have ALL the power, they ALWAYS become monsters...

That small group of people that you suggest have power and become monsters, would under normal circumstance be elected on a regular basis. In the case of Cuba, Castro retains “power” (Cuba is actually quite democratic) only as some romantic/nostalgic figure head who brought a great degree more freedom and opportunities to the majority of the population of the tiny 3rd world island infested with US corporations and corruption.

It’s no different to the Corporatist puppets who cycle through the whitehouse every four years, with nothing more in mind for its population than the facilitation of Corporate interests to make profits and maintaining law & order so as to not interfere with this process.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
People like you still adore che guevara... but you have never read what he wrote, and you never heard, or even witnessed what he did to spread Communism...

I have read many things by him, I have a whole book filled with his philosophy, and another of his travel diaries. You didn’t witness what he did either. I know he killed people, I would of too if I was him, didn’t the American revolution have a lot of killing and stuff that happened too?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
che guevara LOVED to use his knowledge in medicine to torture prisoners, and he was castro's executioner...”

Don’t present arguments mixed with lies, where is your source that he tortured people? Executed people, sure why not, they were the fat-cats creating poverty in the country. I believe you still execute people in your country aswell. Just because he pulled the trigger all of a sudden makes him worse?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
che guevara wrote that he loved to murder people, and he was ALWAYS anxious to spill more blood.... That is what "constant revolution means".... and Communism/Marxism brings "constant revolution", which means there is always war and conflicts....

Che Guevara was writing the poetic diary entries of a soldier in combat – I’m sure that in the American military that there would some people with similar expressions.


Wiki: Permanant Revolution

Do some research into what you’re talking about, and I’ll give you an educated response. Revolution doesn’t always require blood-shed.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I lived through Communism, and I don't want to see another self righteous moron trying to revive the disease that is Marxism/Communism...

Where? How old were you?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Your argument here is what exactly, the people who wrote about Marxism, and brought it into society have no idea what it’s about?

And that people who understand the ideals of democratic ownership of the means of production, the class struggle between bourgeoisie (the very rich, who own the means of production and wealth creation) and the proletariat (the people who must work for a living to survive and make others rich) and true decentralised power structures – are stupid, backward, destructive, cannot reason and have small cranial cavities.

Awesome logic and reasoning there...

Really?... that must be why every freaking country which has embraced Marxism/Communism has been so good for the people and country where it was accepted heh?.... The "awesome logic" seems to escape people like you....

Awesome logic "ghostsoldier".... To want to once again bring forth the same moronic disease that is Marxism/Communism so that other countries and people can be subjected to the "selfrighteous whims" of morons who can't see beyong their own noses.

Not alot of substance in these rebuttals, but I’ll give it a shot.

18 Gains of the Venezuelan Revolution

1. Written a new constitution. Fifty percent of it was written directly by the population. It was put to a referendum and it won the support of 70% of voters. This constitution extended the democratic, social and human rights of the population far beyond the boundaries of a simple parliamentary democracy. The constitution calls for participatory democratic bodies of people to organise and implement new initiatives, such as the ones mentioned here.
   
2. Eradicated illiteracy according to United Nations standards.
   
3. Lowered the infant mortality rate.
   
4. Created 3000 new Bolivarian schools.
   
5. Brought in more than 1.5 million people into the education system free of charge.
   
6. Established a free university system aimed at the poor majority traditionally excluded from tertiary education (the poor receive free textbooks, free transport to university, free meals at university). Students and staff also work together democratically to create the curriculum.
   
7. Built more houses for the poor in two years than in the previous 20 years under the old governments.
   
8. Created access to fresh, clean and safe water for millions of people for the first time in their lives.
   
9. Re-distributed millions of hectares of unused, idle yet arable (agriculturally usable) land to landless poor people.
   
10. Renamed Columbus Day (Christopher Columbus the ‘explorer’) Invasion Day and are rebuilding the nations’ knowledge of real indigenous history and indigenous resistance.
    
11. Opened popular food markets which buy food from food cooperatives, it then gets sold in the popular food markets at 30% below the price of food in the big supermarket chain stores.
    
12. Opened 1000 free kitchens have been opened to provide free meals for people without homes.
    
13. Constructed a massive free healthcare system which now provides free healthcare for the first time in history to poor workers and unemployed people.
    
14. Struggled for and won back control of the gigantic oil industry (off corrupt executives and top management) which is now managed jointly by the government and the oil workers.
    
15. Increased taxes on corporations, and forced them to actually pay their taxes (McDonalds and Coca Cola were shutdown for three days as punishment for avoiding payment of their full tax bill).
    
16. Increased the minimum wage by 30% in 2004 (this was not the first increase since 1998). Government revenue from corporate taxes and oil sales have been used for many social programs and minimum wage increases.
    
17. Banned employers sacking workers (which was declared by the government in early 2003). This has been extended and continues, allowing the rapid growth of a strongly rank-and-file-active democratic trade union movement that is washing away the pro-boss unions.
    
18. Recognition of domestic work, extending permanent social security payments to people who do domestic labour (mainly women), none of this payment is taken away if their companion is in work.
    

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The first Red Scare happened in and around 1917 – 20s when workers were waking up to the virtual feudalism they were living in, and began striking etc,.........

AND IT WAS GOOD THAT IT HAPPENED.... At least the indoctrination by the Communist morons was stopped for a time...

You’ve got no perspective of history, and what working conditions were like back then. Do some research.

[edit on 8/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The second Red Scare was post WW2 hysteria and power grabbing.

And Again...IT WAS GOOD that it happened....and it wasn't "hysteria and power grabbing"... It was the effort by intelligent people to stop the spread of the lies, and the disease that is Communism/Marxism...

It was sheeple scared of Russia which was perpetuated by people in positions of power and extreme wealth that were scared of an ACTUAL communist movement in which people would create democratic ownership of the means of production, eliminate the class struggle, and a decentralise power.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
For crying out loud.. Communist China brought Communism by force to countries like Vietnam, but the lefties always blame the U.S. and say nothing about what Communist China, and other countries like the U.S.S.R. Cuba, and others have done...

Ho Chi Minh lead the revolution on the “campaign promise” that every Vietnamese person would have at least one meal a day, problems of which came from French colonialism/imperialism which the US backed and supplied in an attempt to prevent “Communism” from spreading, which may have been influenced from the Chinese Revolution and the gains associated with the movement. And China did not bring communism by force to Vietnam, don’t lie!

The U.S.S.R since the death of Lenin was nothing but a Bureaucratic-Dictatorship, and has committed terrible things, and was nothing but power-grabbing.

Cuba wants nothing more than the poverty US Imperialism has created in Latin America eradicated.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Yes, there has been a constant effort by Communists to spread their lies around the world, and even to start wars, and conflicts to countries that couldn't fight back....

and the Anglo-American nations and institutions haven’t done that... - Next!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Then you had morons in the U.S., and infiltrators who tried to brainwash people into believing that Communism/Marxism is great and it liberates the people, and people like you want to claim that the "red scare never existed, and it was hysteria and power grabbing?....

Or educate and organise trade unions and workers that democratic control over the means of production is great and liberates people, and people like me who never said the Red-Scare never existed, but instead implied that the US government and corporations over-hyped what Marxism is and distorted it to pervert what it actually was, then after World War 2, Stalin (who IMO was an Illuminati) who was not a Communist or Marxist, was a “threat” used to create super-power countries.

Stop lying and distorting what I am saying.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Stalin was a Totalitarian Tyrant who used terrorism, and propaganda to come across as Communist – he was not! Maybe you should read some stuff about Trotsky and then we can have a ration conversation about what Communism is or isn’t, was or wasn’t.

BS...that is the same stupid excuse every Communist comes up with trying to spread the lies of Communism...

Stalin did EXACTLY what Communism/Marxism does to a country.... what is going to be the excuse you are going to give for EVERY country which embraced Marxism/Communism and brought nothing more than OPPRESSION AND SUFFERING?....

Lenin said on his death bed he did not want Stalin taking control.

As for an explanation why Marxism fails, corruption from external influences and the need to participate in the international community to have a modern-standard of living that is overwhelmingly in complete contrast to a Marxist economic model.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I was indoctrinated into reading, and listening all the writtings of those Communist/Marxist morons. So thanks, but no. I know very well what was written by those idiots...

Where? For how long? How old were you? What Marxist writings? – You’re speaking BS.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
[...]I want to ask you, if Communism is so great then why is it that 99.999% of the people who live under Communism/Marxism are all POORER, and SUFFERING MORE than in most Capitalist countries?....

Probably because multinational corporations control the distribution of resources needed and the means of acquiring them in the first place. For example, Cuba has to import 60% of its food, where does that money come from? Cigar and Nickel exports? Not to mention the crippling sanctions. Get a grip on reality.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Again, don't even attempt to give as an example African countries where there are either Islamic militants attacking, and killing people, or warlords.... Those are not Capitalist nations, those are dictatorships and have nothing in common with Capitalism...

Those are the freest market economies there are, western imperialism and corporatism at its best.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
And in your Republic you’ve virtually got two choices that are exactly the same, who cater to a small circle of massive corporations. Of which are not mentioned in the constitution – yet they have a greater control over what your life and standard of living is/was/going to be. Where is the representation of the people in that?

And it was thanks to "Progressives"/Socialists like Woodrow Wilson that the United States of America is in this state....

Woodrow Wilson a Democrat who signed into law the Federal Reserve Act giving all economic power to banks, and the rich elite...

Not only that, but it was Woodrow Wilson, a Progressive Democrat, or another word for Socialist, who also set up the current IRS system....

AGAIN, this is another example of how the "Progressives/Socialists/Communists" destroy a nation.... I do thank you for bringing this up......

All this “progressive-democrat” rubbish, I’m telling you man, Glenn Beck is not someone to pay attention to.

You don’t think the republicans wanted the same thing? You do know that the Act that Wilson signed into law was better than a propoasal by a Republican Nelson W. Aldrich. You don’t know what you’re talking about beyond a surface token statement that I could turn to Glenn Beck any time I wanted to hear a biases un-informed argument.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I KNOW what I am talking about because I LIVED through Communism, and I STILL have family in Communist Cuba...

And what did you do? Move to Miami so you can eat McDonalds and watch American Idol? - How old were you and are you?

[edit on 9/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Communism is the greatest form of Direct Democracy there is if its pure in intent (ie not worrying about fighting off an invasion). The only problem is the access to resources – that’s why a workers revolution must be international. Because if nuclear cold fusion is the best energy source we can come up with, and you live in Cuba – you gotta hope the US sanctions don’t cover Uranium or Plutonium or you’re screwed.

BS.. Communism is the greatest dictatorial rule that has ever existed... EVEN IN I'TS PUREST FORM.... People like you can't understand for some strange reason that HUMANS ARE NOT PERFECT NOR PURE....

Worker's revolution my behind... you try to start one and see where you are going to end... There are millions of people who like me have experienced the disease you want to spread around the world, and eventually we will stop you.... Just @#$#%^ try it...

The majority of human imperfection and impurity stems from the monetary system and the differential advantage it creates based on a concept of scarcity. That and the sensory cancer that perpetuates ignorance of our true potential, if only the world was run by the homo-sapien part of our brain instead of the reptilian part. creates.

As for you wanting to stop a conscious workers revolution... get a life.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Facism? Mayority? Ahve? Bish years??

- So self-righteous...

I have no idea what in the world you are talking about... Obviously there are several people extremely ignorant of everything they write about...

I’m talking about you rudely lashing out in anger about my typo between “no” and “know”, and it’s still funny

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
First of all if you are talking about the "Bush years" and that Republicans were a mayority, you are not only ignorant but delluded...

In both the House of Representatives, and the Senate DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN THE MAYORITY for several years now, and including during Bush years....

[...]

[...] Many of them are neo-cons, which means they were once and for a long time part of the left and were even Democrats but changed sides to infiltrate the Republican party. The rest, for the most part seem to have been bought off.

I’m saying, there is no Republican vs. Democrat, only Republocrats and Dempublicans – it’s been that way since before Eisenhower.

The whole system is designed for facilitating corporate growth – that’s all.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Do you even KNOW what Fascism is?
”Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives, values, and systems such as the political system and the economy. Generally considered to be on the far-right of the political spectrum. And commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.”

If that doesn’t describe the maJority of Republicans (especially during the BUsh years), than I’m afraid that you HAVE been watching too much Glenn Beck. Mind you, Obama is just as bad as Bush, simply because he is continuing the policies that preceded him.

For crying outloud...a fascist government wages war INSIDE THAT NATION, and systematically go about exterminating the oposition....

And you don’t think this applies to what the US government and its Corporatist agendas are doing?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
OooOOh he creates some healthcare scheme to work for the insurance companies, and all of a sudden he’s progressive?

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

i don't know what I am talking about?...really?...

Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative or reactionary ideologies.

en.wikipedia.org...

He makes one decision to bring in Universal Health Care (a bad attempt at it at that) – JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED NATION ON THE PLANET AND SOME THAT AREN’T – ALREADY HAVE!!! – and he’s progressive???

Yes, you sir don’t know what you’re talking about. Yes really.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Everything the democrats “want” you just mentioned are falsehoods and token statements sent out through the TV to give the illusion it is different to the Republicans, and to quell if any distress that could be violent or disruptive to the system. And the only Freedoms Republicans want you to have is the freedom to consume, you are held responsible for being taken advantage of, and smaller government by means of giving power to un-elected private corporations and invested interests.

Again, and for the hundredth time that is not Republicanism.... It was thanks to a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson that the Republic was sold to the elite bankers...to the rich elites...

The PROGRESSIVE Democrat Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, and he implemented the current IRS system...

It was, and has been the PROGRESSIVES who have corrupted the Republic.

wiki/Nelson W. Aldrich

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
YAY FOR PROGRESS!!! /sarcasm.....

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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Canada is NOWHERE NEAR VERY LEFT, VERY LIBERAL!!

Of course, for a COMMUNIST such as yourself Canada is nowhere close to YOUR standards....

Ah, No. I’m speaking from a UK, Australian, New Zealand, European etc etc etc stand point. Maybe you should get your head out of your – CANF newsletter and have a look around the world...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
By the rest of the worlds standards Canada is centralist.

You mean, by YOUR Communist standards....

See Above...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
A Rich-Socialist is an oxymoronic statement.

Tell that to the rich Socialists all over he world...

I’m sure you mean Capitalists.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Someone336
The obfuscation is getting old, man.

Yeah, the obfuscation by people like you...

the “I know you are, but what am I response... :lol

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

constitutionalistnc.tripod.com...

And American politicians don’t lie on the campaign trail to win presidency.

[edit on 9/4/10 by ghostsoldier]