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posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
reply to post by rufusdrak
 


The difference between sound waves and radiowaves is it's wavelenth and frequency.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]


THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Sound is nothing more than pressure propagating through a solid, liquid or gas.
Light (electro magnetic radiation) is completely different and is energy released that propagates through a vacuum and doesn't need any medium in order for it to travel. Light has been proven to have both particle and wave like functions i.e. called the wave-particle duality. Sound is not a "particle" it is just a wave of pressure pushing against a medium. Come on people...this is sad let's get our elementary terms together shall we?


p.s. have you ever heard of a PHOTON? is there a sound particle?? perhaps a soundton? Jeezus you people.

[edit on 5-4-2010 by rufusdrak]




posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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reply to post by weedwhacker
 

I'm replying to an armchair expert right now. His/her name is weedwhacker.

Where did you get your degree in RF technology and electromagnetic radiation?



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by rufusdrak

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
reply to post by rufusdrak
 


The difference between sound waves and radiowaves is it's wavelenth and frequency.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]


THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Sound is nothing more than pressure propagating through a solid, liquid or gas.
Light (electro magnetic radiation) is completely different and is energy released that propagates through a vacuum and doesn't need any medium in order for it to travel. Light has been proven to have both particle and wave like functions i.e. called the wave-particle duality. Sound is not a "particle" it is just a wave of pressure pushing against a medium. Come on people...this is sad let's get our elementary terms together shall we?


Show us information that agrees with the statement that you just made. I need to see hard facts, not just some guy saying..."Hey, listen to me. I know more than you."



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by Damian-007

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Smell The Roses
 

Yes the "information" is spread around pretty widely. Too bad Fulford is an idiot.

Radio waves do not cause things to "resonate" (without an antenna, tuner, rectifier, amplifier, and speaker).


Nope, I think you may be wrong.

Radiowaves can Vibrate things depending on what they are made of.

Microwaves, for instance can Vibrate water molecules and that's bascially a Radiowave..


First time I've seen Phage put in his place, but you are correct... Waves are forms/patterns of energy as such... Radio waves are a concentrated band on the spectrum. I think another article to take into consideration is the possibility HAARP is using Rodin Coils for the antennae array. I've seen first hand the ability of these coils to turn straight metal into a speaker. I've also seen the coil powered by radio waves and produce electromagnetic currents. It goes without saying really... If you find the resonate frequency of an object, you're able to excite its particles, perhaps even use it as a through-put.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with anyone about what HAARP can do or what sound can do. Sure if you create a standing sound wave I'm sure you can do all sorts of fun stuff with the earth but you'll probably need a gigantic boom box the size of a city that can PRODUCE SOUND.

HAARP is not a boombox it does not produce sound and has nothing to do with sound. If it did then you wouldn't need this thread about tracking HAARP with RADIOS because you'd be tracking it with your ears by listening to the "sound" it supposedly makes.
Ya'll crack me up seriously. I don't even have a college degree and have never seriously studied science, I can't believe I have to teach some of you 'experts' a lesson on this.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by rufusdrak

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
reply to post by rufusdrak
 


The difference between sound waves and radiowaves is it's wavelenth and frequency.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]


THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Sound is nothing more than pressure propagating through a solid, liquid or gas.
Light (electro magnetic radiation) is completely different and is energy released that propagates through a vacuum and doesn't need any medium in order for it to travel. Light has been proven to have both particle and wave like functions i.e. called the wave-particle duality. Sound is not a "particle" it is just a wave of pressure pushing against a medium. Come on people...this is sad let's get our elementary terms together shall we?


Show us information that agrees with the statement that you just made. I need to see hard facts, not just some guy saying..."Hey, listen to me. I know more than you."


Holy god.
Please, TELL me you're not serious?


You want me to "prove" to you that sound isn't identical to LIGHT?

This place truly cracks me up. It's no wonder I don't come here to get my science info...go to scientific american online or popsci.com.


Some of you guys are either jokers, trolls or just kids with too much time seriously. You want 'scientific proof' start here kid:

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...




posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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You referenced my post to the person who brought up (just as example) some really out-there, totally bogus "information" about A) The destruction (not just once, but TWICE!!***) of the Space Shuttle Columbia, and: B) The claim that the Russians (well, "Soviets", really would be more accurate, IF you believe the timeline) destroyed the United States' "top-secret' Moon base!

So, would you say that YOU actually are on board with those "claims"? I only pointed out those few, there were many, many more equally ridiculous.

EVERY thread about HAARP has had well-educated, knowledeable people contribute, with actual science, to tear apart the pseudo-bunk that infests the Internet on this subject. (And on other topics as well...)

It is a 'tribute' to the gullibility (and lack of scientific accumen) of many who browse the Web, that they fall for the most outrageous "claims", without even a modicum of actual fact-checking first.

THEN, even worse, they become so convinced by these bogus "claims", they get emotionally invested and when shownn true science that corrects the false assumptions, reject it vehemently, and without rational thought.

I am truly amazed.....

The premise of the OP, here, is equally without merit. The evidence of complete scientific misunderstangs abound.

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***Notes about the Shuttle Columbia. Not only did that bogus source make the claim that it had been destroyed TWICE in one year (!), it seemed to forget that the Columbia actually WAS destroyed, by a terrible accident, in 2003!



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by rufusdrak
I'm not disagreeing with anyone about what HAARP can do or what sound can do. Sure if you create a standing sound wave I'm sure you can do all sorts of fun stuff with the earth but you'll probably need a gigantic boom box the size of a city that can PRODUCE SOUND.

HAARP is not a boombox it does not produce sound and has nothing to do with sound. If it did then you wouldn't need this thread about tracking HAARP with RADIOS because you'd be tracking it with your ears by listening to the "sound" it supposedly makes.
Ya'll crack me up seriously. I don't even have a college degree and have never seriously studied science, I can't believe I have to teach some of you 'experts' a lesson on this.


We're not talking about it. HAARP makes radio waves which are picked up by radio's and turned into sounds the human ears can hear.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry
 


You referenced my post to the person who brought up (just as example) some really out-there, totally bogus "information" about A) The destruction (not just once, but TWICE!!***) of the Space Shuttle Columbia, and: B) The claim that the Russians (well, "Soviets", really would be more accurate, IF you believe the timeline) destroyed the United States' "top-secret' Moon base!

So, would you say that YOU actually are on board with those "claims"? I only pointed out those few, there were many, many more equally ridiculous.

EVERY thread about HAARP has had well-educated, knowledeable people contribute, with actual science, to tear apart the pseudo-bunk that infests the Internet on this subject. (And on other topics as well...)

It is a 'tribute' to the gullibility (and lack of scientific accumen) of many who browse the Web, that they fall for the most outrageous "claims", without even a modicum of actual fact-checking first.

THEN, even worse, they become so convinced by these bogus "claims", they get emotionally invested and when shownn true science that corrects the false assumptions, reject it vehemently, and without rational thought.

I am truly amazed.....

The premise of the OP, here, is equally without merit. The evidence of complete scientific misunderstangs abound.

_______
***Notes about the Shuttle Columbia. Not only did that bogus source make the claim that it had been destroyed TWICE in one year (!), it seemed to forget that the Columbia actually WAS destroyed, by a terrible accident, in 2003!


Its what it's been turned into, yes. The thread started out somewhat intelligent, that was my plan. Then people with crazy crazy conspiracies that make no sense come in an spew their "information".



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry
 


You referenced my post to the person who brought up (just as example) some really out-there, totally bogus "information" about A) The destruction (not just once, but TWICE!!***) of the Space Shuttle Columbia, and: B) The claim that the Russians (well, "Soviets", really would be more accurate, IF you believe the timeline) destroyed the United States' "top-secret' Moon base!

So, would you say that YOU actually are on board with those "claims"? I only pointed out those few, there were many, many more equally ridiculous.

EVERY thread about HAARP has had well-educated, knowledeable people contribute, with actual science, to tear apart the pseudo-bunk that infests the Internet on this subject. (And on other topics as well...)

It is a 'tribute' to the gullibility (and lack of scientific accumen) of many who browse the Web, that they fall for the most outrageous "claims", without even a modicum of actual fact-checking first.

THEN, even worse, they become so convinced by these bogus "claims", they get emotionally invested and when shownn true science that corrects the false assumptions, reject it vehemently, and without rational thought.

I am truly amazed.....

The premise of the OP, here, is equally without merit. The evidence of complete scientific misunderstangs abound.

_______
***Notes about the Shuttle Columbia. Not only did that bogus source make the claim that it had been destroyed TWICE in one year (!), it seemed to forget that the Columbia actually WAS destroyed, by a terrible accident, in 2003!


I'm not on board with anything. I just think you know very little about what you are trying to argue. I think your understanding is limited and quite weak and it sounds like the same regurgitated crap that one learns before going to a REAL institution of learning.

Again I ask...What are your credentials?



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Tom_Proctor

Originally posted by rufusdrak
I'm not disagreeing with anyone about what HAARP can do or what sound can do. Sure if you create a standing sound wave I'm sure you can do all sorts of fun stuff with the earth but you'll probably need a gigantic boom box the size of a city that can PRODUCE SOUND.

HAARP is not a boombox it does not produce sound and has nothing to do with sound. If it did then you wouldn't need this thread about tracking HAARP with RADIOS because you'd be tracking it with your ears by listening to the "sound" it supposedly makes.
Ya'll crack me up seriously. I don't even have a college degree and have never seriously studied science, I can't believe I have to teach some of you 'experts' a lesson on this.


We're not talking about it. HAARP makes radio waves which are picked up by radio's and turned into sounds the human ears can hear.


Exactly, YOU'RE not talking about that. But others sound like they're saying that HAARP is producing sounds. Just look at the poster before you, he wanted me to prove to him that sound is not light.


The Schumann resonance for everyone's information is an ELF electro-magnetic radiation frequency not a SOUND wave.
To my knowledge human beings can't "feel" electro-magnetic radiation just like you can't feel "light" as its hitting you or an X-Ray as it's going through your body. Thus I'm assuming you wouldn't be able to feel the Schumann ELF either.
Now is it possible for HAARP to tune in to the Schumann ELF to cause earthquakes, I don't know but I wouldn't doubt it. THEN we sure as hell would feel it when the earth beneath us is shaking.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:13 PM
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For you who say sound and radiowaves isn't related to electromagnetic radiation. Radiowaves is infact a form of long waved electromagnetic radiation, but since the frequencies and bandwidth and energy is so low, it cannot travel through empty space for instance, but resonates with things like matter. How about this? I have a more detailed one in my science schoolbook:



[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
For you who say sound and radiowaves isn't related to electromagnetic radiation. Radiowaves is infact a form of long waved electromagnetic radiation, but since the frequencies and bandwidth and energy is so low, it cannot travel through empty space for instance, but resonates with things like matter. How about this? I have a more detailed one in my science schoolbook:



[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]


I don't get it? That made no sense, it's a chart showing frequencies of LIGHT. What does that have to do with sound?



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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Did you just say that radio-waves can't travel through space?


So NASA communicates to its mars rover how then? With smoke signals?

How old are you kid?



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by rufusdrak

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
For you who say sound and radiowaves isn't related to electromagnetic radiation. Radiowaves is infact a form of long waved electromagnetic radiation, but since the frequencies and bandwidth and energy is so low, it cannot travel through empty space for instance, but resonates with things like matter. How about this? I have a more detailed one in my science schoolbook:



[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]


I don't get it? That made no sense, it's a chart showing frequencies of LIGHT. What does that have to do with sound?


Oh my God! Light, X-Rays, Radiowaves, Gammarays and such they are all electromagnetic radiation! Stick your head infront of a gammaray emmitting source, and you see light inside your head. Have you heared about the man who stuck his head into the beam inside a particle accellerator at CERN while cleaning? He discribed it as staring straight into a sun exploding. Our eyes cannot see radiowaves, but our brains are possibly capable of it, it's just that it's sensors, ie. the eyes cannot detect it. Same goes with our ears. Which are sensors. We cannot hear radiowaves, but our brains are in my opinion most certainly capable of it. Things like thelepathy is witnessed by lots of people, indicating that our brains are infact capable of transmitting electromagnetic radiation. How about astronauts telling about how what has been explained as cosmic radiation, they saw light flashes, which were not detected in the visual spectrum, but their brains produced to them visible light. Energy produce light, light produce energy. Energy and light, all kinds of waveforms is related.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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Thanks for the first hand knowledge. Once again I am very pleased to be on the receiving end of more than just hearsay. This thread has certainly caught the attention I hoped it would. When more people that actually know what they are talking about come forward, the skeptics may finally start to understand what HAARP is capable of. I myself am a simple researcher with a desire for more knowledge at all times. While I can only provide what I have learned from other sources, and mind you I always check my sources, I can not compete with first hand knowledge. I thank you all again for bringing the info to the attention of others, and I hope the message continues to be spread for all to hear..and better yet...understand.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by rufusdrak
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic
 


Did you just say that radio-waves can't travel through space?


So NASA communicates to its mars rover how then? With smoke signals?

How old are you kid?


I may have, but I meant sound waves. Different wavelengths and frequencies have different properties. For instance your MW oven heats water and burns gold at approximately 3 GHz. Infact it was discovered by a man who walked past a radar transmitting in that range,m and a chocolate bar melted in his pocket. So he went home and produced the first microwave oven.

Transmission through space is often done using microwaves and beyond. Radiowaves is the lowest part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Electromagnetic radiation, including microwaves, visible light and radio waves, are photions travelling by the speed of light. Sound however, though related is a different type of radiation, just like there is a difference between alfa particles and gamma photons.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic

Originally posted by rufusdrak

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
For you who say sound and radiowaves isn't related to electromagnetic radiation. Radiowaves is infact a form of long waved electromagnetic radiation, but since the frequencies and bandwidth and energy is so low, it cannot travel through empty space for instance, but resonates with things like matter. How about this? I have a more detailed one in my science schoolbook:



[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]


I don't get it? That made no sense, it's a chart showing frequencies of LIGHT. What does that have to do with sound?


Oh my God! Light, X-Rays, Radiowaves, Gammarays and such they are all electromagnetic radiation! Stick your head infront of a gammaray emmitting source, and you see light inside your head. Have you heared about the man who stuck his head into the beam inside a particle accellerator at CERN while cleaning? He discribed it as staring straight into a sun exploding. Our eyes cannot see radiowaves, but our brains are possibly capable of it, it's just that it's sensors, ie. the eyes cannot detect it. Same goes with our ears. Which are sensors. We cannot hear radiowaves, but our brains are in my opinion most certainly capable of it. Things like thelepathy is witnessed by lots of people, indicating that our brains are infact capable of transmitting electromagnetic radiation. How about astronauts telling about how what has been explained as cosmic radiation, they saw light flashes, which were not detected in the visual spectrum, but their brains produced to them visible light. Energy produce light, light produce energy. Energy and light, all kinds of waveforms is related.


You keep talking about light but now you've cowed out from the sound reference. I know what light is believe me you don't have to explain to me. I'm explaining to YOU that light has nothing to do with sound and is completely different. Why are you suddenly changing the subject completely now to light? I know what light is, what you don't seem to know is that radio waves ARE LIGHT. They are a different frequency range of light just like X-Ray, Gamma, etc.

Now here's the shocker that you obviously DON'T know: SOUND IS NOT LIGHT.
No where on your little 3rd grade chart does it show sound. GUESS WHY?

Because sound is NOT light and has nothing to do with light and is not produced by the same mechanisms that light is.
When you put your ear to a flash light do you "hear" the light? Is light audible to you? If so I suggest seeking professional help ASAP.


Light is ruled by wave-particle duality, that means it is comprised of PHOTONS (a particle) as well as waves. Sound is just a pressure wave oscillating through a medium. Get it through your head kid, it's not hard. Sound and light have nothing to do with each other.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic

Originally posted by rufusdrak
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic
 


Did you just say that radio-waves can't travel through space?


So NASA communicates to its mars rover how then? With smoke signals?

How old are you kid?


I may have, but I meant sound waves. Different wavelengths and frequencies have different properties. For instance your MW oven heats water and burns gold at approximately 3 GHz. Infact it was discovered by a man who walked past a radar transmitting in that range,m and a chocolate bar melted in his pocket. So he went home and produced the first microwave oven.

Transmission through space is often done using microwaves and beyond. Radiowaves is the lowest part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]


So you're saying that sound is just a different wave length/frequency of light and that's why it can't go through space?


News for you. ALL FREQUENCIES OF LIGHT GO THROUGH SPACE.
Sound doesn't because it's not light.

Oh god, I give up.


[edit on 5-4-2010 by rufusdrak]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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"The Internet, while a valuable, and now indispensable tool, has a dark side, however. Very bad, incorrect and just plain wrong so-called "information" can propagate so rapidly, and lure in gullible people so quickly."
 


So as long as what you read on the 'INTERNET' that you agree with is good and if you don't agree with it is from the 'dark side'.



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