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Originally posted by TrueBrit
But on the subject of the pope, theres no and I mean literaly ZERO proof that he had anything at all to do with a cover up .
Originally posted by Jenna
There have been many claims and articles over the years about priests being relocated to different areas when they were accused of child abuse, which would certainly suggest that someone at least a level above them in the hierarchy was aware of and covering up their actions.
Originally posted by Laurauk
reply to post by Peruvianmonk
Not in Scotland he will not, alot are gearing up for his visit with anticipation. The only place where one thinks he will receive protests, is when he visits the palace of wesminster. And anyway do you really think the UK Government, would allow his arrest to happen? No they would not. He is head of a Sovereign State. So has Immunity from arrest.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
The UK government will block any attempt at prosecution i think, because to arrest the Pope means angering 1 billion catholics. Would any country want to do that?
Originally posted by Retseh
If only someone would point out to them the fact that the Islamic faith openly countenances the sale of pre-teen girls into marriage then we could really have some fun.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
But on the subject of the pope, theres no and I mean literaly ZERO proof that he had anything at all to do with a cover up . Until there is some evidence, there is no point in an arrest. Its just asking for trouble.
The 39-page document, titled in Latin Crimen Sollicitationis, was issued in March 1962 by the Holy Office (today the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith). It established a procedure for canonical cases in which priests were accused of abusing the confessional to sexually proposition penitents. Four concluding paragraphs extend the procedure to the crimen pessimum, or "worst crime," meaning homosexual acts contrary to a priest's celibate commitment. The document was not designed to address sexual abuse of minors, but would include many such violations.
Paragraph 11 of the document stipulates that such cases are covered by the "secret of the Holy Office," today known as pontifical secrecy, the strictest form of secrecy in church law. Excommunication is prescribed for anyone who violates this secrecy.
The document was itself to be kept secret. Instructions on Page One direct that it be stored in the secret archives of each diocese, and that it not be published or commented upon. Msgr. Thomas Green, canon law expert at The Catholic University of America, told NCR Aug. 4 that unlike most church legislation, Crimen Sollicitationis was never published in the official Vatican bulletin Acta Apostolicae Sedis.
The document recently came to light because it was referenced in a footnote to a May 18, 2002, letter from Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, head of the Vatican's doctrinal congregation, to the bishops of the world regarding new procedures for sex abuse cases.
Crimen solicitationis is indicative of a worldwide policy of absolute secrecy and control of all cases of sexual abuse by the clergy.
But what you really have here is an explicit written policy to cover up cases of child sexual abuse by the clergy to punish those who would call attention to these crimes by the churchmen.
You've got a written policy that says that the Vatican will control these situations and you also have I think clear written evidence of the fact that all they are concerned about is containing and controlling the problem.
Nowhere in any of these documents does it say anything about helping the victims.
The only thing it does is say that they can impose fear on the victims and punish the victims for discussing or disclosing what happened to them.
It's all controlled by the Vatican and at the top of the Vatican is the Pope so Joseph Ratzinger was in the middle of this for most of the years that Crimens was enforced he created the successor to Crimen and now he is the Pope this all says that the policy and systematic approach has not changed.
Cardinal Ratzinger, now as Pope, could tomorrow get up and say: 'Here's the policy: full disclosure to the civil authorities, absolute isolation and dismissal of any accused and proven and convicted clerics, complete openness and transparency, complete openness of all financial situations, stop all barriers to the legal process and completely co-operate with the civil authorities everywhere.'
Originally posted by krunchy
Countries with large Catholic populations need to start criminal investigations into the obvious criminal obstruction that has taken place for decades by church leadership - including the Pope.
Originally posted by Alethea
It was just announced a few days ago that U.S. Bishops are quietly reinstating accused priests.