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Controversial African National Congress Youth League (ANCYL) President, Julius Malema, is set to visit Zimbabwe for a series of meetings with Zanu PF counterparts. The crucial meeting will go a long way in exchanging ideas and preparatory stages for both logistics and mobilisation for sporadic land invasions across the country, amid reports Zimbabwe’s Zanu PF and War Veterans Association will provide crucial support for the programme, sources in Zimbabwe said on Monday.
The South African government has in the past said it will not go it the Zimbabwe way and often move quickly to crush land related protests and attempts at invading farms owned by white farmers though it has largely been unable to stop farm murders but this time it appears it is starting to feel the people power.
the irish where bombing britian and using guest houses as there bases.... no wonder people didnt want strangers from ireland turning up on there door steps looking for a room for a few days and then blowing people to bits from the bombs they made in there.... rooms...
Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by halfoldman
You have to forgive our ignorance to your country. All i know is that england played a massive part in what south africa is today.
The problem also comes is from the fact that blacks have this impression too and they use it against whites not knowing what they are talking about either with regard to who that white person is.
Blacks that target whites have no idea of the heritage of that white person. Do blacks not think countries and races of white people have not been a victim of all these things. No, like some other groups they just assume all whites have lived on earth never having any troubles, or having never suffered what they have.
Typical stuff they used to put up in britain
"No blacks, No irish, No dogs".
Do you understand that irish people went through hell in england too, not just blacks. English have commited crimes against all nations, indians irish blacks.
But i assume its like that in south africa too, where whites that have nothing to do with what went on pay for something they have nothing to do with. Plus the blacks assume that the whites just for being white must of lived a privalged life or something there.
All sides are just too ignorant, but south africa is a country in real trouble, and i doubt any good world cup hosting will help that.
TAU: Get ready to fight farm invasions
JOHANNESBURG - Agricultural union TAU (the Transvaal Agricultural Union) has called on white farmers to take up arms in preparation for so-called Zimbabwe-style farm invasions in South Africa.
“We urge our members to improve their self-defence abilities, including firearm skills, in order to defend themselves effectively.
“It is therefore necessary to activate shooting clubs and to implement contingency plans,” said TAU SA president Ben Marais yesterday.
Marais went as far as claiming the government had probably been behind the murder of AWB leader Eugene Terre’Blanche. “TAU is convinced, based on evidence, the murder of Mr Terre’Blanche was no ordinary crime, but a political murder, probably involving government.
“TAU SA is demanding a discussion with government within the next 14 days ...” he said.
Government spokesman Themba Maseko dismissed Marais’s allegation as “absolute rubbish”.
Marais also denied that farmers mistreated their employees. “Workers have the option of leaving the farms where they perceive to be ill- treated, to seek better treatment, accommodation, salary and fringe benefits.
“Maybe this could be found on the approximately 45% of agricultural land that the government has direct control over,” he added.
Young Communist League national secretary Buti Manamela accused Marais of blowing things out of proportion and of fuelling racial tensions.
“The ‘swaart-gevaar’ mentality instigated by TAU SA will do nothing but give irresponsible white farmers (the go-ahead) to illegally dismiss farm workers and evict them from ‘their property’ en- masse in order to create farms into war zones between evicted and dismissed farm workers and farmers.
“If TAU SA is allowed to call for the arming of farmers, this is equal to a declaration of war and therefore, failure by police to intervene in this regard should inevitably lead to farm workers’ unions and political formations to arm workers in their own defence,” he said.
The European Union and the American government have imposed sanctions on Zimbabwe? What is the main aim of these sanctions? They are meant to . . . weaken and remove the regime of president Robert Mugabe. Like other actions taken by institutions such as the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, they seek to pressure and impose a government on the people of Zimbabwe in the name of 'democratic elections.' (AfricanPerspective.com, Issue #51, Saturday February 3, 2002, "No Sanctions on Zimbabwe")
JOHANNESBURG - In many ways Julius Malema should not pose much of a threat to South Africa. He loudly articulates the basest desires of racial nationalism. The track record of the project he advocates is so horrendous that no reasonable person can be in any doubt about what the consequences would be if it were to be fully realised here. His faction's agenda is transparently aimed at looting and self-enrichment.
Faced with the combination of bad men that Malema represents, enough good South Africans should be able to associate to safely see off this threat. Or, at least, this would be the case if Western intellectual opinion also pushed back against the noxious racial nationalism that threatens to destroy our future. One reason this country is edging ever nearer to the abyss is that it has not, and still does not.
There has been a very disturbing subtext to much of the Western commentary on the events of the past week. This is that while Malema might be a nasty little thug, who says odious things, the real problem facing South Africa is the continued prosperity of the white minority.
In a facetious piece in The Times (London) Hugo Rifkind commented that Malema "has a fondness for singing a song called Kill the Boer. With more than 3,000 white farmers having been murdered since the end of apartheid, this obviously makes him pretty evil. And yet, in this vast and disproportionately white-owned country, there is a clear moral case for land reform. In a very, very tiny way, despite being chubby bum-faced scum, he sort of has a point."
What point is that? Seventy seven years ago members of the Hitler Youth went around singing Jude Verrecke in their vast and disproportionately Jewish-owned country. Does Rifkind think that there was a clear moral case for Aryanisation, and "in a very tiny way, despite being chubby bum-faced scum," they also sort of had a point? At the time many sanctimonious Western intellectuals thought they did.
The Financial Times editorial (April 7) was even more sinister. The newspaper had two pieces of advice for Jacob Zuma. The first was to make Malema shut his mouth. The second was to accelerate racial land transfers from the white minority (what it also euphemistically termed ‘land reform.') The editorial stated:
"Mr Zuma should address one of the substantive issues that Mr Malema has exploited: the glacial pace of land reform. In 1994, nearly nine-tenths of arable land was in the hand of white farmers. Despite 16 years in power, the ANC has largely failed to redistribute it. This is a running sore and stirs up the rural violence. The longer meaningful reform is delayed, the greater the risk that unscrupulous politicians may turn to Zimbabwean solutions to cover up their own failures. Mr Zuma has to his credit sought to revive land reform. He must follow through. Having raised expectations, he cannot afford to dash them."
The editorial confuses the 87/13 apartheid-era political divide between 'white' and 'black' South Africa with the allocation of arable land (i.e. land on which it is possible to grow crops). Since the homeland areas were generally located in the high rainfall areas to the east of the country, and much white farmland in the arid West, the black/white division of arable land was actually far more even.
Setting this aside, there is a curious moral logic to the editorial. It accepts that the property and lives of white farmers are under threat. But what is its solution? The ANC government must move quickly to take away more and more of their property. To avoid a Zimbabwe solution South Africa must adopt a Zimbabwe solution. The fact that these farmers acquired their property completely legitimately and their enterprises feed the entire subcontinent is irrelevant. Their continued success and productivity is a provocation to Western intellectuals and racial nationalists alike, and they should be dispossessed.
It is striking how in its editorial on April 8 the racist Zanu-PF mouthpiece The Herald expressed much the same view as the FT had done the day before. It stated:
"Wisdom should have convinced the white community in South Africa that they need to co-operate with the South African government to address the inequalities prevalent in that country. In the same way that Zimbabweans got frustrated with the willing buyer-willing seller approach, the South Africans will also begin to take what is rightfully theirs by force if they see no progress in land redistribution. Their patience is wearing thin with each passing year."
In a sense, what is truly frightening is that a significant body of Western opinion instinctively sides with our racial nationalists; and backs the application to our country of the same principles that have brought such ruin to the rest of Africa.
Although the bulk of ordinary opinion in Britain and America is humane and decent, and sympathetic to the plight of minorities in Africa, the interpretation of events in South Africa is dominated by a stratum of intellectuals with a very different attitude. This group regards it as intolerable for a racial minority, in a nationalist democracy, to own a share of the economy too much greater than its percentage of the population. In their analysis one can see the same emotional impulses (and mental short-circuiting) at work that underpinned earlier debates around the ‘Jewish question' in the 1930s and the ‘Asian problem of East Africa' in the 1960s.
In 1940 the German journalist Sebastien Haffner wrote of how after the Nazis took power in 1933 ordinary decent liberal minded Germans looked westwards for rescue and liberation from the barbarous regime that had taken control of their country. Over the following five years their hopes - that the Western powers would act to protect the basic values of European culture (and them) - were repeatedly betrayed. Haffner observed:
"In all the years up to 1939 there was no active opposition to Nazism from Western Europe. But spiritual resistance was also lacking... The world's problems and topics of discussion were dictated, without opposition, by Hitler. He decreed anti-Semitism, and the docile world discovered the ‘Jewish Question'. He attacked Austria, and there was an ‘Austrian question'...To make a ‘question' of Hitler, the Nazis, the German Reich, occurred to no one...In those years European-minded Germans experienced a physical and spiritual sense of being utterly forsaken and lost, such as no one can realize who has not felt it."
It is a 'spiritual sense' familiar enough to those liberal-minded southern Africans who have resisted the ANC's racialist agenda. If Western intellectuals are going to perform any kind of constructive role in South Africa at this critical moment in its history they need to recognise and get over their prejudices and start making a 'question' not just of Malema but also the racial nationalism that he so bluntly articulates.