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The meaning of "home country" to a Luo African man (and why it plays in Obama's Presidency)

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posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 04:27 AM
Next he is going to say one day "I am Kenyan" and ppl are going to hit the fan again. Yet when Kennedy said "I am Irish" no one said a dam thing. Wait bad example
. You get what Im saying though.

We have a Kenyan American president.

posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 04:33 AM

Originally posted by spinalremain
reply to post by ventian

He isn't saying that Kenya is his home though. That's the thing. It is his "home country" ie where his family is from. That is a big difference. And it doesn't matter if his father bailed on him. Having a bad father doesn't mean one should throw away their lineage. He is what he is regardless of what his father did. It's irrelevant.

If Stalin's father molested him, would he cease to be Russian?

[edit on 4-4-2010 by spinalremain]

You're right Stalin would indeed still be Russian. I don't think he ever stopped being Russian though. Your home country is where you consider to be your home. Plain and Simple. He spent a very very small amount of time there and if he claims it then I am fine with that. But as I stated, if he does claim it then he is a complete idiot. Kenya is literally nothing to him. Your roots come from who raises you and instills values in you. He was raised by 3 white Americans. One mother and two grandparents. He has no reason to believe that he has any connection to Kenya aside from a sperm donor as his culture is not there. I have heard of people saying that they want to go back to the home land (i.e.l where their ancestors came from), but never their home country unless they were from a different country. That is a huge difference.

posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 07:25 AM
The problem is that his Wife said this, not him. Michelle Obama is the one who said "his home country" not Obama. Is her family from Kenya?

posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
The problem is that his Wife said this, not him. Michelle Obama is the one who said "his home country" not Obama. Is her family from Kenya?

No, but she is his wife and I'm quite sure she is familiar with what he considers his "home country". (probably came up at dinner at some point). I'm sure she is familiar with some of his Kenyan customs. If you married a Jewish person, would you suddenly become shocked 20 years later when you witnessed them eating mahtzo? I don't understand what you're saying. Husband and wife know things about one another and she was representing him.

posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 12:59 PM
reply to post by ventian

I think a lot of things are being misconstrued here. He has Kenyan blood in his veins - so he has some value for that. The point my wife made about the term "home country" is that it MEANS "the country my father is from" - it's a definition.

We can speculate all day long if he speaks Kiswahili or Luo, or where he grew up. There are a lot of hidden facts here in my opinion.

My point in posting was that we can't take Michelle's use of "home country" as proof of anything - whether using black American custom or Luo vernacular.

posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 06:48 AM

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by truthquest

First, English and Swahili are both the official language of kenya. Swahili is more of a "trade language" and so English gets preference most of the time - Kenya's official documents are printed in English, rather than kiswahili

Second, it's a colloquial turn of phrase.

Third, I've known a fair number of African-Americans who point to a particular African country, or Africa as a whole, and call it their "home country" -even the ones I know for a damn fact were born and grew up next door.

Along the same lines, I know lots of whites who still call Ireland their "home country" - I think people need to stop grasping those straws so hard.

Thought this needed attention again for all those unwilling to read the whole thread but posting here. This is the most.plausible explanation.

Everybody wants to yell at conspiracy theorists, call them crazy but the MSM is chock full of their own loony magic beans.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by ISHAMAGI]

posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 06:58 AM
I see the repetition speakers have no issue about proof and second hand sources for this OP. In every other OP, evidence is needed in mountains. Here, you take someone completely on their word...complete hearsay. Do you guys realize how stupid you look?

posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:23 AM

Originally posted by hawkiye
LOL at the lengths people will go to try and justify this imposter. He spent millions to hide his birth certificate and records, he got a scholarship for foreign students, his grand mother said he was born in Kenya, and Michelle is culturally an American, home country means where you were born and she spit it out clear as day. People have been convicted of murder on less evidence.

Now the OP is trying to tell us he is politically unbiased, yeah right LOL!

He spent millions? Pony up some evidence for that, - if you please.

And this scholarship, another right-wing blog, or do you have some evidence?

And lastly, no, no grandmother of Obama's ever said president Obama was born in Kenya.
Obama's father's step-mother did say, on a video made by a manipulative, lying "preacher", she witnessed the birth of Obama's father in a Kenyan hospital.
Perhaps you, like the rest of the Birthers, saw this, convinced yourself you heard what you wanted to hear, and got a little confused.

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