reply to post by Damian-007
Originally posted by Damian-007
I understand what your are saying and I do agree. But, what about the Children in this big mess?? I know I wouldn't want to be brought up in a family
with a Deadbeat for a Dad who just Sponges off the Taxpayers while Working illegally.
It might be better to be brought up by this dead beat dad and these unthinking mothers rather than be born to a family that fear being raided by the
neighbouring clan or tribe and being hacked to death or being recruited into a child army.
At least these children will have a chance to break the mould their low thinking parents have set out for them because they live in a country that
loath it or love it does give children the means to break these moulds and strive for an education that can set them up for life later on. If these
children fall into the trap of thinking their low life peers are the real deal and take to roaming streets drunk or on drugs while carrying knives
then they in effect perpetuated the life pathway that was set out for them by parents that never gave a damn and saw them only as a meal ticket. If
these kids squander the chance of breaking the chances they wil get by living in a highly developed western society than in the end they can only have
themselves to blame for it.
I speak from personal experience, my father was a violent drunk, my mother was/is a catholic fanatic who lost touch with reality a very long time ago
and I was not able to reach my true potential as a child as we never stayed in one address longer than two years – bad for education.
However I refused to make do with what I was given because though we live in society with much wrong with it, there are many tools available to enable
one down on their social and educational luck to reach out and haul themselves out of the gutter.
Originally posted by Damian-007 I wouldn't want to grow up in a Family that didn't have any money to put Shoes on my feet or have
decent clothes to go to school with, That's even if my Mother made me go to school. What choices do these Children have? Maybe one of these kids may
"Break the Mould" and atually do good things with his life but, as we know from the past, it's highly unlikely.
It is very coincidental that you would say these things as for example I did live my early years like that because of parents who were wrapped up
within themselves because of bloody life ending traumas we all witnessed in a foreign land. However the great thing in my opinion about human life is
that if you do not wish to remain ensconced in such a miserable life then human tenacity tends to find ways to climb out of such an existence and so
it is never accurate to write off these children as being unsalvageable or as being destined to being nothing but scavenging parasites on society
because there are many stories of the lowborn growing up to be high living assets to the society they live in.
Personally I think many of these children will break the mould eventually but of course, sadly the majority will not because it is easy to slip into
the abyss and stay there, orbiting a personal hell of drugs, gangs, negative peer groups, underage sex and alcohol. Combine them into a young life
then yes your point is spot on however it is not hopeless even for the most hopeless of those examples – unless the hopeless believe it to be so and
do not recognise the power of human resolve?
I will give a shortened example of the worst example I know of personally. A girl born to a crack addict mother and a drug dealer father ends up being
brought up by her grandmother but thinks that the grandmother is her mother. As a teenager she discovers the truth and goes to live with her
biological mother who by now has stopped the crack but indulges in other drugs and is in and out of prison for violence and theft. The father is still
a drug dealer, now moving deeply within the Scottish underworld.
This child grows up hard and fast, is extremely aggressive and gets into trouble throughout the majority of her early years with police and drug
dealers because she falls into the same habits her mother did because she had no hope and because she thinks the life she lives is normality and all
Today she is now clean, has been to Edinburgh University and has studied sociology and social anthropology and in getting her degrees she now works
with disadvantaged and damaged woman and is extremely charismatic and highly educated, I am godfather to her son.
Anything is possible!
Originally posted by Damian-007 I think these Mothers don't actually care about Children. If they did, they would've waited until they
had a Stable and Secure future.
With respect to you, it is not as simple as that as many of these woman are flotsam in no to little control of their own lives and many want to please
the lowlife man they are with or meet because they hope this man will love them and take care of them and remove them from the hell they are in. A
deep seated need to feel love even for the damaged and disadvantaged is a powerful driving force because it is a natural human need and though the
tabloids may refer to these disadvantaged within our society as animals and scum - they are human and given a real chance with respect they often
prove these tabloids wrong.
By the time these disadvantaged woman see the truth via the passage of years and the gaining of social experience it is too late and they find
themselves in the same trap their friends and their parents found them in as trust is gone, love is abused and they carry the same scars their own
mothers did before them. Women struggling with such “perceived to be” insurmountable disadvantages think that they can create a stable and a
secure future as they recognise it, even if that stable and secure future is all about easy pickings in crime and in cheating the social security
Their reality is not ours and yours you see but it is just as real and as valid to them as your reality is to you. Some may even look down on you with
contempt for being a law abiding citizen so a raft of differing punishments will not change this – respect and education is much more effective than
naming and shaming via some tabloid rag.
These reprehensible tabloids in naming and shaming are not motivated to be champions of society they are motivated to sell papers and what better way
than to pick on the defenceless and those that are on the fringes of what we are taught to be worthy of respect and our compassion.
Originally posted by Damian-007 Why is it that some of these 15 and 16 year old Female Children have to have a child themselves? It
can't really be for the Money, can it? I mean they don't get paid a fortune by Welfare. Most of them that I see around here are living a miserable
life. No money, crappy clothes, Dirty, Bad tempered Kids.
I cannot speak for all but for some I have known had children because they wanted to re-live their childhood through their child. They thought that if
they have a child then they could possibly rectify the crimes and abuses that were done to them by showing their own child real love and by nurturing
this child they created thus can consign their own personal ghosts to the abyss.
Of course it rarely works out as they would hope and they tend to meet a damaged youth and together they perpetuate the crimes on their children their
own parents heaped on to them because though it is possible to climb out of the abyss of poverty it is not easy and if the social tools were never
there in the first place you cannot hate of even blame them for living their life in any way they can?