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A Question for All "Patriots"

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posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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reply to post by whatukno
 

You are being sarcastic right? At least I hope so.
The people make the roads,we are the teachers,and we are the doctors and nurses. We run the oil companies, we are the police officers,and we produce the food. We are the military. Tell me you don't believe Obama knows near enough to manage our nuclear arms. He has the least amount of political experience than any president in history.
I have worked for the city and county building roads. I have worked as geophysical technician for Exxon Co. USA. We didn't need the guvmunts help to show us how to build roads and we didn't need them to help us find oil.




posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:39 PM
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reply to post by kinda kurious
 

You must watch a lot of tv because your audience is only a handful of people. The media is driving this violence scenario.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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So what exactly are the people afraid of, a communist state, I dont think so, there is no such thing as pure communism. Socialism that does not exist in pure form either only in social form. Capitalism well since we like ourselves more then we like others, its the only one that can be governed its the most predictable. Anarchy nope not in large populations especially the kinds of populations that have nukes, anarchy only exists in small states, or in individuals that live on the fringe of society, but like socrates said only beasts and gods can live alone. So anarchy is not it. Democracy and Republics one ties the others hands or are supposed to due that, but the third party has bigger interests

So what it comes down to is the haves and have nots. everybody is afraid of a 2 class system that this system is going to. But the life and some persons in the past saw this and implemented a genius plan. 'Violance' its the catalyst that changes everything. that's why things need to progress, to avoid violence.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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reply to post by whatukno
 

Can you give us some type of detailed list of who all these people are that want anarchy?



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:52 PM
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reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
 

Learn to read these people never ever have been about violence. WOW!!!!!



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:59 PM
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not at all, we have no plan, fallout 3 baby. every man for themselves. at least then we can naturally selectively be selected and not live just cuz we draw unemployment and big bro takes care of us at other ppls expense.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 05:08 PM
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Did the short yellow bus just stop by?

Careful cowboy, you're scaring the cattle.


[edit on 5-4-2010 by kinda kurious]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 05:17 PM
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Oh lol dude if you worked for exxon you worked for the government, why would exxon need permission from itself to find oil. But I get it and there lots more company's and they are all self sufficient. And whoever has the most $ is the government. There in lies the problem international company's running national country's.
The only company that should do business internationally is the millatary in war times.
wait a minute they alwredy do that.
Maiby other big business should ship it's employees wereever they go, become a nomadic civilisation moving from continent to continent looking for work. That would be cool, to bad big company's like oil will become small company's once the small hydrogen, electric, and other types better and more efficient company's become bigger. Then they can compete with it's competitors. Thill another and better method comes along and becomes business.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 05:20 PM
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reply to post by kinda kurious
 

I believe you can and should do your own research.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Whenever I make claims, I generally provide a link. Decorum. Manners.
I'd be happy to review any data you provide to substantiate your claims.

I am not familiar with the document you mentioned. Is that too much to ask?

Otherwise:




[edit on 5-4-2010 by kinda kurious]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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Actually of all the companies I have worked for in my life none have treated me better and with more respect than Exxon. I have worked for medium sized companies and Mom and Pop operations that treated me like dog sh>>. If I could go back and work for any company again it would be Exxon without a doubt.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 05:36 PM
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I never ask for links I do my own research and I never provide any. I use to but then posters started complaining about the links. So I spent time trying to find better links and on and on it went.
Here's how it works for me. If you make a claim and I want to dispute it I will take the time to research it. If you want to dispute something I say I believe you should do the same. The bonus is we both learn much more.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by kinda kurious
 

I never ask for links I do my own research and I never provide any.


Wow, I like your style. That would be noble if it were true:


Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by whatukno
 

Can you give us some type of detailed list of who all these people are that want anarchy?


Hypocrite much?
( On the very same page!
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[edit on 5-4-2010 by kinda kurious]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Dont get your hopes up dude they only treated you well because they have no major compettiors, other then different braches of the same system. once they do they wont be able to afford to treat people well, life is good on top when you dont have to wory that much. People may run these business/programs but the business are in the busines to keep themselves afloat, Thats why those that profit from outdated busineses will go to government to keep them afloat not by helping the people or even by updating the procedure and processes of said business, but by using a third party to atack it's rivals in the form of implementing laws. And lets not forget these ceo's who protect the intrests of shareholders who are regular people in a lot of cases, that are protecting there intrests by getting ceo's that make them more $. Round and round we go thill the bridge colapses, its all a mater of time and what the bridge is made of.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Logarock
 


If we had more members like you and DINSTAAR debating these topics, a better understanding could come forth. Talking with rational logical people that have all of their faculties seems to be a very rare thing in this forum. For that I thank you both. I am an advocate for nonviolent change in our government. I do agree that this government is going way too far.


I disagree with the patriot act. Frankly that is just fascist bull crap. In reality what has it done to protect anyone? But let me get back to the topic at hand.


But really for the best example of a group that actually beat its head against the wall check out the Weathermen. While not "patriots" in a classical american way, they fill your bill. They were the ones blowing up banks, attacking police, the pentagon ect ect. A real "grass" roots movement. They didnt have bibles but they had their version of the Turner papers.


The problem is, in small groups anarchy works well. In communities and national governments, anarchy does not work at all.



Right, the Weathermen, were just a cell of very vilolent crazies. They are looked on with some effection though even today by hard lefties for their courage in "direct action". Many of these see the Weathermen like some saw the black Panthers....a necesary adjunct to a the peace movement.

Much of the apprehension directed toward "right wing" militas comes from a competitive and opposing philosophical source rather than from the real world issues you bring up.

In other words the "progressives" who are actualy "new left" Marxists that took over the party known as democrats, have thier opposition to "patriot militas" based in their loathing for the constitution itself and thus anyone that is willing to take up arms in its defence. This goes for the Tea Party as well as the "progressives" see any movement towards a classical defence of the constitution/bill of rights as it philosophical ememy.

They like to ride the threat of possible vilolence from the "right wing" becouse it serves the fear factor. Otherwise they have and will use violence as part of their "direct action" toolbox. Waco was an example IMO of a covenient opportunity for the "progressvies" then in power to express thier mallace toward anyone with a bible and a gun. They didnt care about the guy being a nut job but did jump at the chance to attack a marginalized "branch" or faction in isolation to make an example out of.

As far as the millions of americans armed and concerned about thier rights, they do not wish to disrupt the structure of our society. But they do believe our country is run by crooks. They like thier schools, thier jobs, thier life ect and they love thier country. They know we live in a great place. And while 99.9% dont belong to militas they are very concerned about many things they see but are of the nature that they wont resort to violence untill the busses show up to ship them to the countryside to work at the rice farms and reeducation camps.





[edit on 6-4-2010 by Logarock]



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