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Its not okay if Bush does it, but its ok if Obama does?

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posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 11:48 AM
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To all the people that hated Bush's policies that were ultimately a slippery slope to have the ability to control us as a people and our companies, I was with you. Never liked the guy, never voted for him and in fact I was a registered Democrat. But, I'd like to ask you, where the hell are you now? The same policies that Bush pushed thru are still here even though Obama promised to get rid of them and stop the war. Honestly, why are you not bitching anymore? I sure as hell didnt stop, why have you?

We can all agree, Bush started the bailouts, but Obama sure as hell didnt give any money back or not put his hands in the matter. In fact, if I remember correctly, there was a big-to-do over only allowing Bush to spend the first half of it cause Obama wanted to make sure that he spent the other half.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Obama increased the number of troops in afghanistan instead of sending our boys home, as he promised.
edition.cnn.com...

He didnt get rid of the patiot act, he reauthorized it.
www.sfexaminer.com...

The list goes on and on. Im tired of hearing "Well where were you when Bush did (insert f-ed up thing)?" News Flash....was standin next to you sayin the same stuff (just wasnt on ats at the time lol). My question now is where are you when this stuff is going on now? Why are you not complaining still, with me? Dont be a hypocrite. If you dont like government controling your life in anyway, then why is it ok for people to do it now. This also goes out to the people that straight up defended every action bush did but are now complaining...where were you during the last 8 years? There are many out there.

Ive been here the whole time against this stuff, where were you or where did you go?




posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 11:55 AM
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Bush is gone and I think it is funny how many folks still look back and point fingers or compare "crimes" of the last crook with the "crimes" of the present crook.

No agenda has changed in the process.

Both parties/presidents have done nothing but mislead the country and steal from us while they strung/string us along in conflicts that were dishonest and misrepresented.

I just think bringing up "Bush" as if he had some sort of "power" is silly.

I think its doubly as silly when people are so hung up on a past president that they continually bring him up.

Bush was a figure head, a bumper sticker, a face-man for something much larger then any office or desk.

Obama is no different.



[edit on 3-4-2010 by Mr Mask]



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Mr Mask
Bush is gone and I think it is funny how many folks still look back and point fingers or compare "crimes" of the last crook with the "crimes" of the present crook.

No agenda has changed in the process.

Both parties/presidents have done nothing but mislead the country and steal from us while they strung/string us along in conflicts that were dishonest and misrepresented.

I just think bringing up "Bush" as if he had some sort of "power" is silly.

I think its doubly as silly when people are so hung up on a past president that they continually bring him up.

Bush was a figure head, a bumper sticker, a face-man for something much larger then any office or desk.

Obama is no different.



[edit on 3-4-2010 by Mr Mask]


THIS. THIS. A THOUSANDS TIMES THIS!

Thank you Mr. Mask. This thread can effectively be closed, because there is no telling it any better than this.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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bush was in office for 8 years. during all that time, they blamed clinton. even recently, members of his administration tried to blame 9-11 on him and that it happened on his watch. it can go both ways, sadly.

obama has been in only little more than a year. there is still things left over from bush that can directed at him.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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Yes now that the Democrats are in power "War is good"!

Hey, I think someone wrote a thread about that-
Now that the Democrats are in power "War is good"!

It is because of hypocrisy and being on the winning side. Narcissism by any other name, would not smell so repugnant.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:27 PM
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They are both same as, but obama is not as evil as bush.

But they are both part of the bring socialism to america plan from what i see.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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This is yet another example of how TPTB use the two party facade to divide and distract us.


When the "other" party rules we feel oppressed like our livelihood and freedoms are at risk at every moment. We expend our energies fighting to get "our" guys back into office and resisting the abominations of the "others".

While "our" party is in control, we feel everything is just fine. We trust "our" guys to do the right thing and go to sleep until the "others" threaten us once again.

We're so focused upon the evil of the "others" that we cannot see that there is no difference between them and "our" guys. We've been so thoroughly brainwashed by TPTB and the MSM that we only see the slight differences and cannot see the similarities between the two sides.

In this way, TPTB ensure that only one half of the populace is really paying attention to what's going on at any time, while the other half sleeps, content in the belief that "their" guys are running the show.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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You got it all so wrong.
It's about if bush is allowed to do all of those things, obama should be allowed to do them also.

If you want to hold obama accountable, you should hold bush accountable first, that's the bottom line. Can you do that or not. If not, then you got no deal from me. If you cannot hold bush accountable first, whatever you do, I consider that all just a bunch of cheap stuff, it's meaningless.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033
They are both same as, but obama is not as evil as bush.

But they are both part of the bring socialism to america plan from what i see.


they are both the same, but obama is less evil? if they are both pushing the country in the same direction, how is one less evil then the other? To me, they are one in the same, just a different front man for TPTB.

I would still like to here from people who are completely defending Obama's actions but were calling out Bush's and vice versa. I would love to try and see the reasoning behind this.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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I think obama is less of a person wanting to destroy anyone and kill everyone he can. Of course usa still blow up children, but america always does anyway.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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I did hold bush accountable and would love to piss on the mans grave, truthfully. Would just like to know why the paradigm has switched now is all. Obama can go out and blame Bush all he wants, thats one thing I will agree with, but if you say one thing (Bush's policies were evil) and do another (Continue with said evil policies) you are just as equal if not worse cause you also happen to be a hypocrite.

Honestly, who is for the government controlling every aspect of their lives? Who is for the government controlling the banks? Who is for the government controlling the car industry? Who is for the government controlling the insurance industry? Who is for the government controlling any other industry and telling you how to live by doing so? Who is for the government subversily putting out its message thru TV and radio?

bighollywood.breitbart.com...

Its not okay if Bush did it, and its not okay if Obama does it. Simple as that.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by dizzie56
 


I think obama is less of a person wanting to destroy anyone and kill everyone he can. Of course usa still blow up children, but america always does anyway.



ok, if you think that he doesnt want to do it, talks bad about doing in (dropping Bush's name in from time to time), but still does it, why exactly would you think that he is better? To me, that is far worse. If you are a complete hypocrite you are worse then somebody that is in my face and telling me what they are going to do. At least then you will know its coming.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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Well Bush, left a mess.

I'm sure being the President of the United States isn't an easy job by far.

But I do think Obama has thrown glitter in our eyes so to speak.

But for now I'll reserve my judgement.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by dizzie56
reply to post by Jazzyguy
 

I did hold bush accountable and would love to piss on the mans grave, truthfully.

Not accountable like that, something real. What I want to see is the man going down, going to prison, cheney, rove and all. Then you may condemn obama as well.


Would just like to know why the paradigm has switched now is all. Obama can go out and blame Bush all he wants, thats one thing I will agree with, but if you say one thing (Bush's policies were evil) and do another (Continue with said evil policies) you are just as equal if not worse cause you also happen to be a hypocrite.

Agree, if it's the case. Other people has their own reason for defending bush or obama. My standard has always been the same, I accept certain bush policies and I accept certain obama policies. However I hate people who monkey around with religious and moral value. I consider that as exceptionally foul.


Honestly, who is for the government controlling every aspect of their lives? Who is for the government controlling the banks? Who is for the government controlling the car industry? Who is for the government controlling the insurance industry? Who is for the government controlling any other industry and telling you how to live by doing so? Who is for the government subversily putting out its message thru TV and radio?

To be controlling is the mindset of the powerful. If you somehow become powerful yourself, you might become corrupted just as they are.


bighollywood.breitbart.com...
That one has been around for ages, literally.
How Art Made the World

Programme Three - The Art of Persuasion The visual devices used by Tony Blair and George Bush to get themselves elected and maintain power, come not from modern times, but a world that is thousands of years old. How Art Made the World ventures back to the creation of Stonehenge and the reign of Alexander the Great to reveal how imagery became an indispensable weapon in every leader's political armoury.


Its not okay if Bush did it, and its not okay if Obama does it. Simple as that.

True, but it's not okay if you can only hold obama accountable (in a real way) but not bush.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 01:31 PM
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Yes, despite what you're signature says, you hit the nail on the head and did so in gentlemen fashion? Obama decides nothing, they are decisions processed through streams of agenda's. from the big like maintaining constant wars, too the small. All are handed down and decided independent of any politician.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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Yep Obama is as bad if not WORSE than Bush and you know why? BECAUSE HE HAD THE CHOICE TO STOP IT ALL.

And what did he do ? HE DECIDED TO CONTINUE IT ALL.

That's like deciding to protect a mass murderer when you have all the proof with you, you know where he lives and he's trusting you.

Doesn't matter that you have the choice to put that child rapist mass murderer in jail, YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT. And even worse than that, when the mass murderer get caught or killed, YOU CONTINUE HIS LEGACY BY KILLING AND RAPING LIKE HE DID.

Well Obama did the same thing with Bush. He protected and CONTINUED his crimes. That's as bad if not worse.

Both are



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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So your saying that until nobody can put Bush in jail we must stop condemning Obama? If thats the case, we should have never started on Bush till Wilson was in jail for signing into law the Federal Reserve system. We should have arrested Wilson then, but since we didnt we cant condemn any other president? That doesnt even make any sense.

Sure, go after Bush and throw him in jail...but does that even start to stop the problems that are going on right now? Is he in power anymore? No. Obama is in power and the only way to stop it is to cut it off at the head, then you can go back and do what you will with the rest of the people that helped along the way. Honestly, I hope they all go to jail for being crooks but if you want to start with somebody who is done and over with instead of the one that is continuing to do it now, well that to me is just backwards.

It would be like going after an ex gang leader and expecting the gang activity to stop. Sure, he might have done a lot of horrible stuff and he deserves to do the time but if you dont go after the ones that are still committing the crimes first then you stop nothing, the gang activity just continues.

Im not saying that Bush shouldnt be ragged just as much as Obama, Im just wondering why have people switched. I realize that they are really sheeple that just like to go with the party lines but I would actually like to here their reasoning behind what they are doing. I would love to hold the politicians accountable for their actions and they need to be, but dont you think that we should all be saying this ALL THE TIME instead of just when our party is on the crap end of the stick?



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by Mr Mask
Bush is gone and I think it is funny how many folks still look back and point fingers or compare "crimes" of the last crook with the "crimes" of the present crook.

No agenda has changed in the process.

Both parties/presidents have done nothing but mislead the country and steal from us while they strung/string us along in conflicts that were dishonest and misrepresented.

I just think bringing up "Bush" as if he had some sort of "power" is silly.

I think its doubly as silly when people are so hung up on a past president that they continually bring him up.

Bush was a figure head, a bumper sticker, a face-man for something much larger then any office or desk.

Obama is no different.



[edit on 3-4-2010 by Mr Mask]


THIS. THIS. A THOUSANDS TIMES THIS!

Thank you Mr. Mask. This thread can effectively be closed, because there is no telling it any better than this.



As noted by SmokeandShadow, a better sig may be
THIS. THIS. A THOUSANDS TIMES THIS!:


Originally posted by SpectreDC

Thank you Mr. Mask. This thread can effectively be closed, because there is no telling it any better than this.


(And I agree completely with all three of you.)



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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I seriously wish I had a "universal remote" like Adam Sandler did in Click. That way I could have the time to rewind this and call out all the people that were either for or against Bush but are now either for or against Obama and for the same exact reasons. I would also like to fast forward time so I can see how many people switch again. To me, these people are the biggest hyprocrites. Even bigger then the politicians because they say they hate the thing that is being done to them, unless its "their" guy.

I cant wait until Obama is out just to see everybody switch again. The hypocrisay in this world is like watching a train wreck...its very sickening yet you must watch.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by dizzie56
I seriously wish I had a "universal remote" like Adam Sandler did in Click. That way I could have the time to rewind this and call out all the people that were either for or against Bush but are now either for or against Obama and for the same exact reasons.


That is direct proof that you have some agenda at proving who was wrong in the past.

I don't care about that.

I don't care how many of you supported Bush, now wear an Obama tee-shirt or how often you flip-flop or fence sit.

It is not important.

It is about as useful as saying " I wish I could go back before the invention of flight and nit pick on those who said it was impossible".

I DO NOT CARE who liked one president at one time and then switched sides or opinions.

That won't bring back soldiers from the war (or the grave). That won't stop the killing or the theft. That will not solve or change anything.

If you really want to "out those who have changed their minds or political stances based on events or opinions that have newly been presented", then enjoy that quest.

It is on par with the kid who screams "I told you so! I was right, I was right!".

Who cares?

I am more concerned with the criminal activity of our country and the theft of a nation's wealth.

Obama has as much control/power over this as Bush did...and that means-

"both were puppets and just faces behind a desk".

Why do you think the direction of all this didn't change? The "new guy" even PROMISED change...yet here we are still hemorrhaging money in bailouts and fighting wars across the planet for reasons "less scrupulous"

Try and get this-

The direction didn't change because those who control its flow haven't left office.

Lobbyists and criminal corporations have much more to do with current policy then any president.

Stop trying to blame a stuttering/illiterate Texan for what is going down...he couldn't even read, never mind make choices on an adult level.

And stop blaming a wanna-bee movie-star who can't even SPEAK without reading what someone else places on a screen for him to read.

Both of them show amazing signs of stupidity and both of them operated in the same direction...towards a social/economical/moral collapse of our country.

We have been divided and now we are being conquered.

Stop seeing this as two parties who are fighting each other for control.

That is a magic trick.

Bush and Obama are the same guy...

Two people who have nothing to do with the direction and downfall of our country past the fact that they are sitting in as "public figures" to fool us into thinking one man is in charge or responsible.

Just figure it out...

Because I am sick of people demanding a republican is worse then a demoncrat, and that both presidents had some sort of difference between them.

The only differences I see are these-

1) One isn't black.

2) One isn't white.

3) One plays golf.

4) One plays basketball.

But bet your butt they both have sold their political souls (if they ever had one in the first place) and both were groomed and primed for this agenda before most of you were even born.



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