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241,200 Years of Kings
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I don't know about the whole eat more bugs and live longer and healthier lives bit. Millions of people around the globe still eat bugs and lots of
them to gain their protein. I'm sorry but I don't see many of them living longer healthier lives.
I agree we should eat healthier and exercise more. I've dropped 10 pounds myself in 4 weeks simply by walking to and from work. I've saved some money on not having to buy gas. I've been eating better as well so now I feel better.
As far as the Sumerians. I'm more inclined to believe it's their Kings lineage that ruled all those years as in the "House of" rather than an individuals life span.
I agree we should eat healthier and exercise more. I've dropped 10 pounds myself in 4 weeks simply by walking to and from work. I've saved some money on not having to buy gas. I've been eating better as well so now I feel better.
As far as the Sumerians. I'm more inclined to believe it's their Kings lineage that ruled all those years as in the "House of" rather than an individuals life span.
Maybe these Kings were ET visitors who came here to rule and shape society. When they died/left us humans were left to rule on our own.
Maybe their descendants will return someday?
Maybe their descendants will return someday?
For an average lifespan of 75 years and 25 year generations, 10 kings would live for 300 years only.
Generations being when the next child was born to a man at 25, thus 9 x 25 = 225 plus 75 for the first man = 300 years.
You could also try lunar months of 30 days rather than years, but If I recall that number is still high.
Another factor for Asiatics is how they use their zeros like 1,000 to us can be 10,000 or 100,000 to them.
If you use 120 year lifespan with 25yr gen, that still would only be 345 years.
Generations being when the next child was born to a man at 25, thus 9 x 25 = 225 plus 75 for the first man = 300 years.
You could also try lunar months of 30 days rather than years, but If I recall that number is still high.
Another factor for Asiatics is how they use their zeros like 1,000 to us can be 10,000 or 100,000 to them.
If you use 120 year lifespan with 25yr gen, that still would only be 345 years.
reply to post by serbsta
Don't forget, in Hindu history Rama ruled for 10,000 years, and his father, Dasaratha ruled for about 60,000 years.
And the demon king Ravana ruled Lanka for several, several thousand years.
I guess it depends on the culture, as some (by some I mean most...or all) have a tendency to exaggerate their history's kings, heroes and monsters.
[note: edited for atrocious spelling. shame on me.]
[edit on 4/5/10 by Matthew Dark]
Don't forget, in Hindu history Rama ruled for 10,000 years, and his father, Dasaratha ruled for about 60,000 years.
And the demon king Ravana ruled Lanka for several, several thousand years.
I guess it depends on the culture, as some (by some I mean most...or all) have a tendency to exaggerate their history's kings, heroes and monsters.
[note: edited for atrocious spelling. shame on me.]
[edit on 4/5/10 by Matthew Dark]
reply to post by SLAYER69
OK, let's say that these weren't individual life spans and that it was more of a 'house rule' or descendant rule that allowed for such high numbers. What are we left with?
We are still left with something that by today's accepted history shouldn't be. We are left with with a much, much older civilization than currently thought, even if it was based on descendant rule.
OK, let's say that these weren't individual life spans and that it was more of a 'house rule' or descendant rule that allowed for such high numbers. What are we left with?
We are still left with something that by today's accepted history shouldn't be. We are left with with a much, much older civilization than currently thought, even if it was based on descendant rule.
reply to post by Sinter Klaas
You just gave the most logical explanation I've read to this day.
You know it is the best I have read also. I would not have come up with that without Wylekat laying it down in good sense. Anyway I hope
that wasn't sarcasm.
serb
today's accepted history
This is something that without a doubt will be rewritten sooner or later.
[edit on 6-4-2010 by randyvs]
Why Did People Live So Long Before the Flood?
'As It Was In the Days of Noah'
According to the Bible, people once lived for nearly a thousand years. Adam lived 930 years. Methuselah lived the longest of any person mentioned, dying at 969 years of age (see Genesis 5), and Noah nearly equaled him at 960 years (Genesis 9:28-29).
Shortly after the Flood, however, we find people living much shorter life spans. Abraham, for example, lived 175 years (Genesis 25:7). A few generations later, Joseph lived "only" 110 years (Genesis 50:22). We are told in the Psalms that 70 years is considered to be a long life, and men reach 80 years only "by reason of strength" (Psalm 90:10). David died at age 70 in about 1000 BC and is described as dying "in a good old age, full of days" (I Chronicles 29:28).
There have been many speculations concerning the great length of human life spans before the Flood, such as the earth having a thick water vapor canopy that blocked out most of the sun's harmful radiation, or double atmospheric pressure that enhanced the health of all organic life. The Bible, however, does not directly explain why this was or why life spans shortened after the Flood.
Possibly, God simply determined that the longer pre-Flood life spans only multiplied the evil men can do (see Genesis 6:3-7, 11-13) and that about 70-120 years is long enough for a person to fulfill his purpose. Those who are called can prepare in that length of time to receive immortality at the return of Christ. Those not yet called can learn that the ways of man do not bring satisfaction or fulfillment. Thus, when they arise in the second resurrection, they will be prepared to choose God's way.
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'As It Was In the Days of Noah'
According to the Bible, people once lived for nearly a thousand years. Adam lived 930 years. Methuselah lived the longest of any person mentioned, dying at 969 years of age (see Genesis 5), and Noah nearly equaled him at 960 years (Genesis 9:28-29).
Shortly after the Flood, however, we find people living much shorter life spans. Abraham, for example, lived 175 years (Genesis 25:7). A few generations later, Joseph lived "only" 110 years (Genesis 50:22). We are told in the Psalms that 70 years is considered to be a long life, and men reach 80 years only "by reason of strength" (Psalm 90:10). David died at age 70 in about 1000 BC and is described as dying "in a good old age, full of days" (I Chronicles 29:28).
There have been many speculations concerning the great length of human life spans before the Flood, such as the earth having a thick water vapor canopy that blocked out most of the sun's harmful radiation, or double atmospheric pressure that enhanced the health of all organic life. The Bible, however, does not directly explain why this was or why life spans shortened after the Flood.
Possibly, God simply determined that the longer pre-Flood life spans only multiplied the evil men can do (see Genesis 6:3-7, 11-13) and that about 70-120 years is long enough for a person to fulfill his purpose. Those who are called can prepare in that length of time to receive immortality at the return of Christ. Those not yet called can learn that the ways of man do not bring satisfaction or fulfillment. Thus, when they arise in the second resurrection, they will be prepared to choose God's way.
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.111.[R].Flight of a King's Golden Sandals.[R].111.
EGYPT;
The Turin Canon of Egyptian Kings starts off with the title II,11:Menes and ends at II,25:Aaka.
10 Kings are missing prior to Menes to account for Turin II,1:- II,10 and II,14: is also missing.
In any case the count for section II is 25. If the missing II,14 is a type error and the count should be 24,I am uncertain although it appears apparent because Djer and Djet follow another in kings lists and a missing 14 would indicate an unknown king between djer and djet.
Section V is missing 13 kings but yet a count of 25 is maintained. Why the numbers are not viewable and in proper sequence with a note of lost king or unknown I am uncertain which questions how they knew the proper count. I can only presume the papyrus was damaged at the missing counts and this is the best conclusion of modern scholars.
The indication of the Turin Canon list is that there should also be a section I,1: with another 25 kings more or less,plus the missing 11 kings of section II: would total 36 kings which can also be confirmed by the Palermo Stone based on a 24 inch width @ 0.65in horizontal square spacing for the kings.(36.9 kings).
I find it ironic that the Narmer Palette ca.3200.bC(Menes),on the Lower Egyptian side displays 10 fallen Kings which could have been the missing 10 Kings of section II,1-10: for the Turin Canon. Both the Narmer Palette and Palermo stone indicate kings of lower Egypt prior to Menes.
Turin Canon section:
II = 25 (1-10 and 14 missing)
III= 25
IV = 26
V = 25 (1-11 and 18,19 missing)
VI = 27 (3,4 missing)
vII = 23 (12 and 19 missing)
VIII = 27
IX = 31 ( 3-6 and 11-13 missing)
X = 28 (13,21,22 missing)
XI = 17 (end of list)
Total = 254 kings
missing = actual number in sequence on the list
We can propose that each section should average 25 kings plus 11 missing prior to Menes would total some 36 kings missing if we are to perceive that the Turin Canon should also have a section I:1-25 prior to section II: with Menes.
Considering an average of 30 year generations per king would equal 1080 years of kings chronologies. With the current 3200.bC for Menes plus our 1080 years would be 4280.bC.
This would be around the advent of the Egyptian Calendar ca.4241.bC and also in relation to the Palermo Stone Kings list.
The Palermo Stone is the broken piece (0.435m-H,0.25m-W,6.5cm-D) of a middle section of stone slab said to have been some 7 feet long by 2 feet wide and found laying on it's long side. The broken piece of stone was inscribed on both sides with kings of Egypt for the 1st to 5th Dynasties,the length of years they reigned and the foremost account for each year such as religious feasts,battles or cattle counts. Prior to Pharaoh Menes of the first dynasty there are only 9 Pharaohs visible on the stone who are all kings of Lower Egypt.
It has been estimated that there may have been some 120 Pharaohs prior to Menes on the stone as Prof.James Breasted stated,although some may have been Gods or Goddesses and space may have been taken up for religious or creationist stories.
The estimate above of 120 kings prior to Menes,would have to be based on the rows extending the length of the stone at 7ft.
If that is the case,this stone would have had to been mounted on top of a table lengthwise to be able to read both sides of 9 rows per side.
I envision that the stone stood 7ft upright and read from top to bottom and right to left,which would then be scribed with 30 rows per side of a 2ft width.
In this case only some 36 kings would be prior to Menes and more feasible in regard to the Egyptian calendars origin and the missing kings of the Turin Canon's Sec;I,1-25 + II,1-11 prior to Menes.
In any case,at present I am unaware of the actual setting of the stone if upright or lengthwise where in my opinion seems to be upright.
1m = 39.37 in.
0.25m = 9.843 in. wide
0.435m = 17.126 in. high
Row 1 = approx 15 kings names lower Egypt. 0.65in.square per king.(9.843/15=0.65)
24in(2ft)width = 36.9 kings. 84in(7ft)width = 129.2 kings
17.126in./6 Rows visible = 2.85in per row.(includes spaces above year records)
4 rows avg.12 years per row @ 0.25m wide = O.82in. square spacing per year.
24in,(29.3yrs) = 8.42 rows,(246.7yrs). 84in,(102.4yrs) = 29.47 rows,(863.5yrs).
24in.Height and 84in width = 8.42 rows x 102.4yrs per row = 862.21yrs (slab lengthwise)
84in.Height and 24in width = 29.47 rows x 29.3yrs per row = 863.47yrs (slab upright)
Approx 760 years(less first row of kings side a) + 860 years side B = estimated 1620 years.
(3200-1620 = 1580.bC date for the stone's origin? Less error of 1-200yrs? 1380.bC?)
(*width of yearly record squares do vary by the scribe to account for more or less data.)
Height of horizontal rows and kings squares prior to Menes appear consistent in size.
Of the 9 Pharaohs visible prior to Menes,2 cannot be clearly identified.(* The era of these Pharaohs prior to Menes is uncertain and not immediately prior)
From right to left they are; ____-pu(pw); Seka(Sk'); Khayu(H'-yw); Teyew(Tyw); Thesh(Ts); Ne"heb(N-"hb); Wazenez(W'd-'nd); Mekh(Mh); ____-a.
(*The stone is read from right to left,Seka(Sekau) would be the oldest king mentioned. The z in Wazenez can also be dj. Ne"heb may be Necheb or Nekheb.)
Turin Canon II,11 - III,25
II,11: Menes (Narmer)
II,12: Iteti (Aha)
II,13: Iti (Djer)
II,15: Itiui (Djet)
II,16: Semti (Den)
II,17: Merbiapen (Anedjib) 74 years
II,18: Semsem (Semerkhet) 72 years
II,19: Kebehu (Qa'a) 63 years
II,20: Baw-Netjer (Hotepsekhemwi) 95 years
II,21: Kakaw (Reneb)
II,22: Banetjer (Ninetjer) 95 years
II,23: Unknown name, 54 years - may be Peribsen/Sekhemib
II,24: Sened, 70? Years
II,25: Aaka (?), possibly Neferkare
III,1: Neferkasokar (?) 8 years 3 months
III,2: /erased/, 1 year 8 months, 4 days (or 8 years 4 months)
III,3: Bebti (Khasekhemwi), 27 years, 2 months, 1 day; his lifetime being 40 + X
III,4: Nebka, 19 years
III,5: Djoser-it (Netjerikhet), 19 years 1 month
III,6: Djoser-ti (Sekhemkhet) 6 years
III,7: /erased/ (Khaba?) 6 years
III,8: Huni, 24 years
III,9: Snofru, 24 years
III,10: Kheops, 23 years
III,11: Djedefre, 8 years
III,12: Khefren, ? years
III,13: Bakare (?), ? years
III,14: Mykerinos, 18 years (possibly 28)
III:15: Shepseskaf, 4 years
III,16: Thampththis (Djedefptah) 2 years
III,17: Userkaf, 7 years
III,18: Sahure, 12 years
III,19: Neferirkare
III,20: Shepseskare, 7 years
III,21: Neferefre, ? years
III,22: Niuserre, 10 + x years, possbly 11
III,23: Menkauhor, 8 years
III,24: Djed (probably Djedkare), 28 years
III,25: Unas, 30 years
Abydos Kings list;..................................Turin Canon list.....................Manetho......Other names
1st Dynasty;
Meni (Established One)...........................Menes(Narmer)...... ...............Menes..........Hor-Aha
Teti.............................................. ..........Iteti(Aha).............................. Athothis
Iti (The Sovereign)...................................Iti(D jer).................................Kenkenes
Ita (The Sovereign Vulture).......................Itiui(Djet)........ ......................Wenefes.......Wadj
Djaty (Two Estates)................................Semti(Den) ............................Usafais
Mer-ba-pen\............................................Me rbiapen(Anedjib)................Miebis.........Ane ndjib
Semsem (Priest of Priests, Ptah Priest)...Semsem(Semerkhet).............Semempses
Qebh (Hawk-headed god of the south).......Kebehu(Qa'a).......................////////////...
2nd Dynasty;
Mdw-ti-umer...........................................Baw-Netjer(Hotepsekhemwi)....Boethos
Ka-kau (Soul of Bulls).............................Kakaw(Reneb)... .....................Kaiechos
Khnum-netjer-n (Sacred Ram)..................Banetjer(Ninetjer).......... ..........Binothris.....Nynetjer
Uadj-nes............................................... .unknown name.......................Thias......Weneg,Wadjne s
Sen-di, or Sen-Dji (Feared One)...............Sened.......................... .........Sethenes..Seth-Peribsen?
///////////////////////////////.............................Aaka(Neferkare?)..... ................Chaires
///////////////////////////////.............................Neferkasokar......... ..................Nefercheres
///////////////////////////////.............................erased?.............. ....................Sesochris
/////////////////////////////...............................Bebti(Khasekhemwi). ...............Cheneris
Dja-dja-tepy (The head Chief)..................//////////////////............................Necherophes
3rd Dynasty;
Nebka (Lord of the Souls).......................Nebka................ .....................Necherofes...Sanakhte
Djeser-za (Sacred Protection).................Djoser-it(Netjerikhet).................Tosorthios
Teti.............................................. ........Djoser-ti(Sekhemkhet)...............Tyreis..........Djose r-Teti
/////////////////////////////..............................erased?(Khaba?)..... ..................Mesochris....Khaba?
Z-Djes (I am my own man)...................../////////////////////...........................Suphis..(Huni?)
/////////////////////////////..............................////////////////////............................Toserfasis
///////////////////////////................................/////////////////////...........................Aches
///////////////////////////////............................Huni.................. ........................Sephouris
Nefer-ka-re (Good Soul of Re)................./////////////////////...........................Kerferes
4th Dynasty;
Snefru............................................ .....Snofru....................................... .Soris
Khufu............................................. .....Kheops......................................S uphis......Cheops
Djedef-re.............................................Dje defre......................................///////........(Ratoises?)
Khaf-re................................................ Khefren......................................Suphi s......Rekhaf
//////////////////////////////............................Bakare................ .......................Bicheris
Men-kau-re..........................................Mykeri nos..................................Mencheres
//////////////////////..................................../////////////////////............................Ratoises
Shepseskaf........................................ .Shepseskaf................................Seberch eres
//////////////////////....................................Thampththis... ............................Tamphtis
5th Dynasty
Userkaf........................................... ....Userkaf......................................U sercheres
Sahure............................................ ....Sahure.......................................S ephres
Kakai (Neferirkare)...............................Neferi rkare..................................Neferchres. ..Userkhau
/////////////////////////.................................Shepseskare...... ........................Cheres
Neferefre......................................... ....Neferefre..................................... Rathures......Raneferef
Niuserre.......................................... ....Niuserre.....................................S iseres
Menkauhor (Kaiu)................................Menkauhor... ...............................Mencheres
Djedkare (Isesi)...................................Djed.... .......................................Tencheres
Unas.............................................. ....Unas.......................................... Onnos..........Wenis
The above list was made by Paulo Riven and is subject to accuracy and/or corrections.
Manetho's list;
1st Dynasty........2nd Dynasty.....3rd Dynasty........4th Dynasty......5th Dynasty.............
Menes..............Boethos.............Necherofes. ........Soris................Usercheres...........
Athothis...........Kaiechos............Tosorthios. ..........Suphis.............Sephres.............. ..
Kenkenes.........Binothris............Tyreis...... ...........Suphis..............Nepherchres........ .
Wenefes...........Thias.................Mesochris. ..........Mencheres........Sisires................ .
Usafais.............Sethenes...........Suphis..... ...........Ratoises...........Cheres.............. ..
Miebis..............Chaires..............Toserfasi s...........Bicheris.............Rathures
Semempses.....Nefercheres........Aches............ ....Sebercheres.......Mencheres
.......................Sesochris...........Sephour is...........Tamphtis............Tencheres
.......................Cheneris.............Kerfer es.......................................Onnos
.......................Necherophes................ ............................................
1st Dynasty..........c.3100-2890 BCE
Menes (Hor-Aha)
Djer
Wadj (Djet)
Den
Anendjib
Semerkhet
Qa'a
2nd Dynasty..........c.2890-2686 BCE
Hotepsekhemwy
Raneb
Nynetjer
Seth-Peribsen
Khasekhemwy
3rd Dynasty..........c.2686-2613 BCE
Sanakhte (Nebka) (c.2688-2668)
Djoser (c.2668-2649)
Sekhemkhet (Djoser Teti) (c.2649-2641)
Khaba (c.2641-2637)
Huni (c.2637-2613)
4th Dynasty..........c.2613-2494 BCE
Snofru (c.2613-2589)
Khufu (Cheops) (c.2585-2566)
Djedefre (c.2566-2558)
Khafre (Rekhaf) (c.2558-2532)
Menkaure (Mykerinos) (c.2532-2514)
Shepseskaf (c.2514-2494)
5th Dynasty..........c.2494-2345 BCE
Userkaf (c.2494-2487)
Sahure (c.2487-2475)
Neferirkare Userkhau (c.2475-2455)
Shepseskare (c.2455-2448)
Raneferef (c.2448-2445)
Niuserre (c.2445-2421)
Menkauhor (c.2421-2413)
Djedkare (c.2413-2381)
Unas (Wenis) (c.2381-2345)
Turin Canon = 254(Menes+10 prior) + 25 pre-dynastic missing(Turin Sec.I:1-25) = 279 Kings
279/3 = 93.gen.x 100.yrs = 9,300.yrs
9,300 + 526 = 9,826.bC.
Herodotus: 11,340.yrs = 341.kings based on 3 generations = 100.yrs(33.33)
341/3 = 113.67 gen.X 100.yrs = 11,367.yrs
11,367 + 526.= 11,893.bC.
Psammetic III = 526.bC.
Amassis = 570.bC.
Menes = 244 kings = 81.33 gen. x 100 = 8,133.yrs
8,133 + 526 = 8,659.bC.
Modern record.
3200(Menes) - 526 = 2,674.yrs/244 = 10.96.yrs per king
Menes was originaly dated to 3400.bc based on the palermo stone with
an expected future drop of 100 years.*
Herodotus-341 X 10.96 = 3,737.36 + 526 = 4263.36.bC.
Turin Canon-279 x 10.96 = 3,057.84 + 526 = 3,583.84.bC.
Egyptian Calendar = 4241.bC*
2.79 error factor for Herodotus.(11,893/4263.36)
Plato Atlantean era Greece founding = 9,000.yrs./2.79 = 3225.81.yrs
Plato Egypt founding = 8,000.yrs./2.79 = 2867.38.yrs
3225.81 + 570(Amassis) = 3795.81.bC...Athen's Greece founded (Athena)
2867.38 + 570 = 3437.38.bC...Sais,Lower Egypt founded (Neith)
Atlantean War (post greece and egypt's founding) = 3250.bC
Turin Canon - 10 missing kings prior to Menes = 3200 - 3300.bC.
Narmer Palette - 10 Fallen Kings,Double Falcon era(Twins) - 3250.bC
Egyptian Tomb 100 map battle - 3250.bC
Gebel el Arak carved ivory knife battle - 3250.bC
Eye of Ra Destruction of Mankind = Hathor worship = Flood - 3250.bC.
Greek Cycladic Islands Stone(frying pan) map of Atlantis = ca.3000.bC
Sumerian/Gilgamesh flood legend = ca.3000.bC
Aeon and Protogonus,first mortals of Phoenicia = ca.3147.bC
Chaldean/Septuagint flood = 3183.bC
The catch 22 is that it is acceptable for Herodotus to say that 341 kings totalled 11,340 years based on 33.33 generations each, however , the answer is in the length of the kings reigns which is quite different than generations. A prime example of this is the Hebrew count for the 10 generations of Adam to Noah based on the ages that they had sons which was 1656 years to the flood. But the lifespans of the 10 patriarchs totalled 8225 years.
I am of opinion that this is precisely what Plato wrote in Solon's legend of Atlantis, when the Egyptian Priest stated 9000 yrs, they were referring to generations rather than actual length of rulership as our records of Egypt reveal so far as is known intelligable.
Compare 279 Kings @ 33.33 generations = 9,299.07 years or 244 kings(Menes) = 8,133. years, which clearly reflects the Egyptian Priest (Uadjahor Resne) stating that Egypt was founded 8000 years prior in Plato's(360.bC) preservation of Solon's(564.bC) Atlantis legend from Sais,Egypt in the time when Pharaoh Amassis was seated.
*-Ancient Records of Egypt,James Henry Breasted.Ph.D,Chicago,1906.aD.
BABYLON;
Apollodorus' kings list of Berossus.
1-Alorus of Babylon 10 sari
2-Alaparus-3 sari
3-Amelon of Pantibiblon-13 sari (Amillarus)
4-Ammenon the Chaldean-12 sari
5-Megalarus of Pantibiblon 18 sari
6-Daonus,shepherd from Pantibiblon-10 sari (Daos)
7-Euedorachus from Pantibiblon 18 sari
8-Amempsinus,a Chaldean from Laranche 10 sari
9-Otiartes (Ardates) 8 sari
10-Xisuthrus-18 sari (Sisithrus)
-------Flood-------------
total 120 sari
10 kings = 120 sari = 432,000.yrs
43,200 yrs per king
120 saroi = 432,000 (36,000 x 12)
3600 x 10 = 36,000
1 sarus = 3,600.yrs (600 x 6)
1 neros = 600.yrs (60 x 10)
1 sossus = 60.yrs (6 x 10)
Mathematicaly,the Babylonian base system of 1,6,10 and 60 is acceptable for the saroi table above as simple tools for counting.
For the Antedeluvian kings of Babylon,the term 120 sari becomes nothing more than a religious myth based on the concept of 2 hands totalling 120 saroi.
(10 fingers x 6 x 2 hands) This was due to the fascination with 6 and 12 that derived from our body parts,(2 arms,2 legs,1 head, 1 body) or (2 eyes,2 ears,1 mouth,1 nose) and the spaces of 3 on the inside of each finger and 2 for the thumbs.
It would be like saying that each finger was 12 saroi(43200yrs) for 1 king totaling 60 saroi per hand(216,000yrs) for the divine 120 saroi.(432,000yrs)
Now Gods may rule 432,000 years in Babylon or 4,320,000,000 years for 1 day of Brahma in India,but humans cannot in mortal form rule 43,200yrs.
We can adapt the indian concept for Babylon that 1 day would equal 1 God's year totaling 1183.56 human years for 120 saroi of 432,000yrs which would equal 9.86 years per sari. The oldest king being 18 sari would have been 177.48 years,so we can see this still seems incorrect. If we take our 9.86 years and divide it by our Herodotus factor of 2.79 yrs, we get 3.5 yrs per sari which gives 63 years rule for the oldest king of 18 sari.
In reality,the humor is that in respect of the kings,the sari is actualy only 1 year,totaling a modest 120 years for 10 kings rulership which we can compare to the modern average of 10.96 years for our Egyptian kings lists. The rest is just divine fantasy for the basal 6.
As compared to the chart below and a 2.79 divisable error factor for Herodotus' account of Egyptian kings, we can visualize that 1 sari is actualy only 1 year for the 10 antedeluvian kings of Babylon.
10 x 10.96 = 109.6 yrs
10/3 gen.= 3.33 x 100 = 333 yrs
333/2.79 = 119.35 yrs
But let us say that since each king sits on 1 of our fingers of 3 spaces to reveal the mystic secret of Babylon,that 3 should be our base of memory for transforming the antedeluvian kings. This would then be 30,9,39,36,54,30,54,30,24 and 54 for Xisuthrus totaling 360 years or a respectable 36 years per king which would also compare to the common statement of 3 generations is equal to 100 years by Herodotus,Solon or Plato to name a few great thinkers.
If we add the flood date of 3250.bC to 360 = 3610.bC for the first king Alorus of Babylon.
Alexander Polyhistor stated that there were some 86 kings after Xisuthrus to the Medes invasion of Babylon. 86 x 30 = 2580 + 620 = 3200.bC.
622-608 Cyaxares the mede takes Nineveh.(ca.620.bC).
86/3 = 28.67 gen.x 100 = 2867 + 620 = 3487.bC.
PHOENICIA;
A 30 year generation comparison for the Phoenician myth from Cadmus by Paulo Riven.
As being told by Eusebius of Caesarea.
Wind Colpias and wife Baau(Night)....................................... 3177.bC
Aeon and Protogonus.(Aeon finds food from trees).................3147..first mortals
Genos and Genea............................................. ..................3117..Phoenicia inhabited
Sun worshipped as Beelsamen(lord of Heaven)......................3087..Zeus in Greek
Light,Fire and Flame.(children of Aeon/Protogonus)...............3057.. fire by rubbing wooden sticks
Cassius,Libanus,Antilibanus,Brathy(Giants)........ ..................3027..mountains named by dwelling
Memrumus,Hypsuranius,Ousous....................... ..................2997..
Hypsuranius settles Tyre.............................................. .......2967..Tyre settled with reed huts
Ousous first to sail,consecrates 2 pillars of fire and wind........2937..animal skin clothes
Agreus and Halieus.(race of Hypsuranius).............................2907..hun tsmen and fishermen
Chrysor(Priest,Hephaestus,Zeus Meilichios)first to voyage.....2877..metallurgy,iron
Technites(Artificer),Geinos Autochthon(self born of earth).......2847..straw and clay bricks,roofs
Agros,Agrueros(Agrotes).greatest God for Byblos..................2817..Byblos settled
Aletae and Titans............................................ ....................2787..husbandmen and huntsmen
Amynos and Magus............................................. ...............2757..villages and sheepfolds
Misor(straight) and Suduc(just)....................................... .....2727..invented the use of salt
Taautus.(Thoth,Thoyth,Hermes),son of Misor,alphabet...........2697..later deified as God Tauthus.
Dioscuri,Cabeiri,Corybantes,Samothraces(of Suduc),............2667..first ships built
Elioun(most high) and Beruth(f),dwell near Byblos.................2637..herbs,healing and charms
Epigeius(Autochthon,Uranus) and Ge(Earth,f).......................2607..star named Uranus
Elus(Kronos),Baetylus,Dagon(Siton)and Atlas.......................2577..Kronos and Atlas born
Hermes Trismegistus..(secretary to Kronos).........................2547..
Persephone(f)and Athena(f).daughters of Kronos...................2517..Athena born
War of Uranus by Kronos.(advisor Hermes Trismegistus).......2487..First civil war
Demarus,(son of Uranus' concubine who married Dagon)........2457..
Kronos builds wall around Byblos as the First City................2427..Byblos becomes first City
Kronos buries brother Atlas in deep pit.................................2397..advisor Hermes Trismegistus
Dioscuri build rafts and ships,land near Mt.Cassius...............2367..first Temple near Mt.Cassius
Eloim and Kronii.(Allies of Kronus).......................................2337 ..
Sadidus and sister slain by father Kronos.............................2307..
Astarte,Rhea(Ehea) and Dione sent by Uranus vs Kronos......2277..retained as wives by Kronos.
Eimarmene,Hora and Allies sent by Uranus vs Kronos...........2247..retained by Kronos.
Baetylia,(living stones created by Uranus)............................2217..
7 Daughters called Titanides or Artemides............................2187..born to Kronos and Astarte
7 Sons born,youngest deified........................................... ...2157..born to Kronos and Rhea
Dione(f)is deified........................................... ......................2127..
Desire and Love(sons of Astarte).........................................2 097..
Dagon called Zeus Arotrios.......................................... .......2067..discovery of corn and plough
Asclepius..(born to Suduc and Titanide)...............................2037..
Zeus Belus,KronosII,Apollo..(born in Perae to Kronos)..........2007..Zeus Belus and Apollo born
Nereus..(son of Zeus Belus)............................................ ...1977..
Pontus(son of Nereus) and Typhon.....................................1947..
Sidon(f)and Poseidon..(children of Pontus)..........................1917..Sidon founded
Melcathrus.(Hercules),son of Demarus...............................1887..Hercul es
Uranus and Demarus wage war on Pontus..........................1857..war in mediterranean sea
32nd year of Kronos reign,he slays father Uranus................1827..inland near fountains and rivers
Astarte,Zeus Demarus and Adodus(king of Gods)................1797..rule Phoenicia by Kronos
Astarte sets bull head on her head as royalty(Amphitrite).....1767..sets star on holy island of Tyre
Kronos gives Attica to his daughter Athena.........................1737..Attica founded
Kronos sacrifices his son as a burnt offering to Uranus.........1707..circumcises himself and allies
Muth,(Thanatos or Pluto),dies and is deified........................1677..son of Kronos and Rhea
City of Byblos given to Dione by Kronos..............................1647..Dione called goddess Baaltis
City of Berytus given to Poseidon,Cabeiri,Agrotae,Halieis..1617..consecrati on of Pontus at Berytus
God Tauthus(Thoth,Hermes),given Egypt by Kronos............1587..gods preserved and organized
Ledud,only son of Kronos and nymph of country Anobret.....1557..sacrificed on Altar
Kronos deified as star Saturn............................................ 1527..
Thabion (first Heirophant of Phoenicia) alters myths............1497..mysteries,prophets,foreigne rs
Eisirius and Chna(Phoenix)..................................... ..........1467..
Cadmus............................................ ..............................1437.bC.
Records preserved by Suduc's 7 sons the Cabeiri and 8th brother Asclepius by order of Tauthus
Gods Sourmoubelos and Thuro(Eusarthis).rescue theology of Tauthus(Thoth)
Sanchuniathon of Berytus...(said to have lived prior to the Trojan war)
Hierombalus,priest of God Ieuo (Jeuo/Yeuo),gives records to Sanchuniathon
Sanchuniathon's works dedicated to King Abibalus of Berytus
Abibalus,father of Hiram,975-1000
Abibalus(Jabin)king of Asor,1111-1116
Semiramis, Queen of Assyria (750-800.bC)?
Sanchuniathon was inspired to seek the records of Thoth(Taautus)
Secret writings of Ammoneans
Translated into Greek by Philo of Byblos in 9 Books.
Philo Biblius....Paradoxical History...3 books
Philo Byblius....History of the Jews
Porphyry the Philosopher,Against The Christians,Book IV,verifies Sanchuniathon's history
Eusibius of Caesarea; Preparatio Evangelica,(Preparation for the Gospel) Book 1
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BIBLICAL;
Name......Father age..Life Age
Adam.........130^......930*
Seth...........105.......912
Enos............90.......905
Cainan.........70.......910
Malaleel.......65.......895
Jared..........162.......962
Henoch........65.......365
Mathusala...187......969
Lamech......182.......777
Noah..........500.......600
Total ......1,656....8,225 hebrew years
*Cain and Abel,the first sons of Adam are missing.?
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1)adam 0..130^..235"..930*..(112)..1042.(98)..1140.(95).. 1235.(55).1290.(132).1422.(+234).1656.
2)seth...........0...105^...195"...800'..........9 12*
3)enos..................0.....90^...160".......... 807'.......905*
4)cainan........................0.....70^......... .135".......815'.......910*
5)malaleel..............................0......... ...65^.......227".......840'.......895*
6)Jared........................................... .......0........162^.......227".......830'........ .962*
7)henoch.......................................... ...................0.........65^.......252"..365*. ..
8)mathusala....................................... ..............................0........187^..300'. ..369"...(735+)...969*
9)lamech.......................................... .............................................0.... ........182^....682"....777*
10)noah........................................... .................................................. .............0.....500^....600*
.................................................. .................................................. ...................Sem..0.....100*
^ age became a Father
" age became a Grandfather
' age when father died
* end of life
(...) yrs son lived on
+ age of mathasula when grandfather Jared died (his father henoch died young)
-mathusala lived 5 years longer than his son lamech
Hebrew: 1,656 years to the flood
Samaritan: 1,307 years to the flood
Chaldean: 2,242 years to the flood
Masoteric text places the flood in b.C.2350 (Klaproth),the Samaritan in 2903,the Septuagint in 3134.
Hebrew - 1656 + 2350 = 4006.bC for Creation
Samaritan - 1307 + 2903 = 4210
Chaldean - 2242 + 3134 = 5376
(I forget who the source of this quote is at present-Riven.)
"From Adam to the flood: 2242 years; from the flood to the building of the tower, 525 years; from the building of the tower until Abraham 425; from Abraham until the Exodus of the sons of Israel from Egypt, 430; from the Exodus to the building of the Temple of Solomon 757 years; from the building of the temple to the captivity of Israel 425. Altogether 4880 years.[4] From the captivity to king Alexander 318; from Alexander to Christ our God 303. Altogether 5500 years.[5] And from Christ to Constantine the Great 318; from Constantine to Michael, son of Theophilos, 555. The whole span altogether 6375 years.[6]"
5425 adam
3183 flood
2658 babel
2233 abraham
1803 exodus
1046 temple
621 is.captive
303 - alexander
0-Jesus Christ
adam......5487 (chaldean)
flood.....3245
babel.....2720
abraham...2295
abraham...2220 (75 yrs old)
exodus....1790
temple....1033
captivity..608
alexander..330 (278 cap-alex)
Jesus Christ...27.bC.
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Atlantis________Egypt*______Babylon___(revised by Riven)__Bible
Atlas__________3610.bC____Alorus_______30______Ada m.......43^...116*
Gadeiros________***________Alaparus______9______Se th.........35....114
Ampheres______3538.bC____Amelon______39______Enos. .......30....113
Evaemon._______***________Ammenon____36______Caina n......23....113
Mneseus_______3466.bC____Megalarus____54______Mala leel...21....111
Autochthon______***________Daonus______30______Jar ed........54....120
Elasippus______3394.bC____Euedorachus__54______Hen och.....21......45
Mestor__________***________Amempsinus_30______Math usala..62....121
Azaes_________3322.bC____Otiartes______24______Lam ech......60.....97
Diaprepes_______***________Xisuthrus_____54______N oah........100....120
------------------------------------------------------------------360 yrs------------------..449---1070
---------HATHOR BULL WORSHIP------FLOOD 3250.bC.------------
*10 missing Egyptian kings prior to Pharaoh Menes (Turin Canon/Narmer Palette/Palermo Stone)
Age of Taurus = 2000-4000.bC.
341 Egyptian kings/3 = 113.67.gen. x 100 = 11,367 + 526 = 11893./2.79 = 4262.72.bC
4263.bc - 3250 = maximum of 1013 years available for Antedeluvian kings.(generations)
1013/2.79 = 363./10 kings = 36. years allowable for maximum length of rule.
Paulo Riven. 8491.aJA.(2009.aD.Mn.)
AeJor Mn (PJTCM)
SaJaRa
Wednesday,January 21,2009
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EUSEBIUS AND MANETHO
24,900 lunar / 2206 solar = 11.29 factor of conversion from Lunar to Solar
GODS; Ptah(Hephaestus) to Bidis-13,900 lunar years(30 day months) - /11.29 = 1231.2 solar years
DEMI-GODS;..........................1,255 / 11.29 = 111.16
OTHER KINGS;......................1,817 / 11.29 = 160.94
30 MEMPHIS KINGS;.............1,790 / 11.29 = 158.55
10 THINIS KINGS;.....................350 / 11.29 = 31
SHADES AND DEMI GODS;...5,813 / 11.29 = 514.9
TOTAL;.................11,025 / 11.29 = 976.55 solar
GODS;.................13,900 / 11.29 = 1231.2
TOTAL ....24,925 / 11.29 = 2207.75 SOLAR YEARS
PTAH....HEPHAESTUS
AMON....SOL (SUN)
THOTH...AGATHODAEMON (HERMES)
GEB.....CRONUS
OSIRIS..ZEUS DIONYSIOS
SET.....TYPHON
HORUS...APOLLO
KINGS
BIDIS
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ATLANTEAN CHRONOLOGIES BY AEJOR MN (PAULO RIVEN)
AETERNAL FATHER CREATOR AEJON..6482.bc
2ND GARDEN OF CREATION..................6435....Tansania,Avila(A frica)
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EGYPTIAN GODS..1231.2.yrs..5495.bC(Hephaestus)..(2242 CHALDEAN YEARS TO FLOOD)
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+87.KINGS.(954yrs)..DEMI-GODS....4264...-Atlantean Delta Empire
.................................................. ....4241...-Egyptian Calendar
.................................................. ....3795....Athen's Greece founded
.................................................. ....3437...-Sais founded,Delta
.........................................Atlantean war begins.........................
254.KINGS......................................331 0...-Atlantean Libyan Mareia,Delta,L.E.3rd nome
........Atlantean war ends,Atlantis island sinks,mediterranean cultures perish.................
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*********DELUGE FLOOD................3253.bC....DELUGE FLOOD************
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Pharaoh Menes.(244th)...................3200...-Egyptian Dynasty I,Upper Egypt
Psammetic III...................................526.bC.
.................................................. ........0....Jesus The Son of God
.........................................Feb.15th, 2009.aD.(8491.aJA)..today's date.
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341 Kings(Herodotus)
aejor_mn
[edit on 6-4-2010 by AeJor_Mn]
EGYPT;
The Turin Canon of Egyptian Kings starts off with the title II,11:Menes and ends at II,25:Aaka.
10 Kings are missing prior to Menes to account for Turin II,1:- II,10 and II,14: is also missing.
In any case the count for section II is 25. If the missing II,14 is a type error and the count should be 24,I am uncertain although it appears apparent because Djer and Djet follow another in kings lists and a missing 14 would indicate an unknown king between djer and djet.
Section V is missing 13 kings but yet a count of 25 is maintained. Why the numbers are not viewable and in proper sequence with a note of lost king or unknown I am uncertain which questions how they knew the proper count. I can only presume the papyrus was damaged at the missing counts and this is the best conclusion of modern scholars.
The indication of the Turin Canon list is that there should also be a section I,1: with another 25 kings more or less,plus the missing 11 kings of section II: would total 36 kings which can also be confirmed by the Palermo Stone based on a 24 inch width @ 0.65in horizontal square spacing for the kings.(36.9 kings).
I find it ironic that the Narmer Palette ca.3200.bC(Menes),on the Lower Egyptian side displays 10 fallen Kings which could have been the missing 10 Kings of section II,1-10: for the Turin Canon. Both the Narmer Palette and Palermo stone indicate kings of lower Egypt prior to Menes.
Turin Canon section:
II = 25 (1-10 and 14 missing)
III= 25
IV = 26
V = 25 (1-11 and 18,19 missing)
VI = 27 (3,4 missing)
vII = 23 (12 and 19 missing)
VIII = 27
IX = 31 ( 3-6 and 11-13 missing)
X = 28 (13,21,22 missing)
XI = 17 (end of list)
Total = 254 kings
missing = actual number in sequence on the list
We can propose that each section should average 25 kings plus 11 missing prior to Menes would total some 36 kings missing if we are to perceive that the Turin Canon should also have a section I:1-25 prior to section II: with Menes.
Considering an average of 30 year generations per king would equal 1080 years of kings chronologies. With the current 3200.bC for Menes plus our 1080 years would be 4280.bC.
This would be around the advent of the Egyptian Calendar ca.4241.bC and also in relation to the Palermo Stone Kings list.
The Palermo Stone is the broken piece (0.435m-H,0.25m-W,6.5cm-D) of a middle section of stone slab said to have been some 7 feet long by 2 feet wide and found laying on it's long side. The broken piece of stone was inscribed on both sides with kings of Egypt for the 1st to 5th Dynasties,the length of years they reigned and the foremost account for each year such as religious feasts,battles or cattle counts. Prior to Pharaoh Menes of the first dynasty there are only 9 Pharaohs visible on the stone who are all kings of Lower Egypt.
It has been estimated that there may have been some 120 Pharaohs prior to Menes on the stone as Prof.James Breasted stated,although some may have been Gods or Goddesses and space may have been taken up for religious or creationist stories.
The estimate above of 120 kings prior to Menes,would have to be based on the rows extending the length of the stone at 7ft.
If that is the case,this stone would have had to been mounted on top of a table lengthwise to be able to read both sides of 9 rows per side.
I envision that the stone stood 7ft upright and read from top to bottom and right to left,which would then be scribed with 30 rows per side of a 2ft width.
In this case only some 36 kings would be prior to Menes and more feasible in regard to the Egyptian calendars origin and the missing kings of the Turin Canon's Sec;I,1-25 + II,1-11 prior to Menes.
In any case,at present I am unaware of the actual setting of the stone if upright or lengthwise where in my opinion seems to be upright.
1m = 39.37 in.
0.25m = 9.843 in. wide
0.435m = 17.126 in. high
Row 1 = approx 15 kings names lower Egypt. 0.65in.square per king.(9.843/15=0.65)
24in(2ft)width = 36.9 kings. 84in(7ft)width = 129.2 kings
17.126in./6 Rows visible = 2.85in per row.(includes spaces above year records)
4 rows avg.12 years per row @ 0.25m wide = O.82in. square spacing per year.
24in,(29.3yrs) = 8.42 rows,(246.7yrs). 84in,(102.4yrs) = 29.47 rows,(863.5yrs).
24in.Height and 84in width = 8.42 rows x 102.4yrs per row = 862.21yrs (slab lengthwise)
84in.Height and 24in width = 29.47 rows x 29.3yrs per row = 863.47yrs (slab upright)
Approx 760 years(less first row of kings side a) + 860 years side B = estimated 1620 years.
(3200-1620 = 1580.bC date for the stone's origin? Less error of 1-200yrs? 1380.bC?)
(*width of yearly record squares do vary by the scribe to account for more or less data.)
Height of horizontal rows and kings squares prior to Menes appear consistent in size.
Of the 9 Pharaohs visible prior to Menes,2 cannot be clearly identified.(* The era of these Pharaohs prior to Menes is uncertain and not immediately prior)
From right to left they are; ____-pu(pw); Seka(Sk'); Khayu(H'-yw); Teyew(Tyw); Thesh(Ts); Ne"heb(N-"hb); Wazenez(W'd-'nd); Mekh(Mh); ____-a.
(*The stone is read from right to left,Seka(Sekau) would be the oldest king mentioned. The z in Wazenez can also be dj. Ne"heb may be Necheb or Nekheb.)
Turin Canon II,11 - III,25
II,11: Menes (Narmer)
II,12: Iteti (Aha)
II,13: Iti (Djer)
II,15: Itiui (Djet)
II,16: Semti (Den)
II,17: Merbiapen (Anedjib) 74 years
II,18: Semsem (Semerkhet) 72 years
II,19: Kebehu (Qa'a) 63 years
II,20: Baw-Netjer (Hotepsekhemwi) 95 years
II,21: Kakaw (Reneb)
II,22: Banetjer (Ninetjer) 95 years
II,23: Unknown name, 54 years - may be Peribsen/Sekhemib
II,24: Sened, 70? Years
II,25: Aaka (?), possibly Neferkare
III,1: Neferkasokar (?) 8 years 3 months
III,2: /erased/, 1 year 8 months, 4 days (or 8 years 4 months)
III,3: Bebti (Khasekhemwi), 27 years, 2 months, 1 day; his lifetime being 40 + X
III,4: Nebka, 19 years
III,5: Djoser-it (Netjerikhet), 19 years 1 month
III,6: Djoser-ti (Sekhemkhet) 6 years
III,7: /erased/ (Khaba?) 6 years
III,8: Huni, 24 years
III,9: Snofru, 24 years
III,10: Kheops, 23 years
III,11: Djedefre, 8 years
III,12: Khefren, ? years
III,13: Bakare (?), ? years
III,14: Mykerinos, 18 years (possibly 28)
III:15: Shepseskaf, 4 years
III,16: Thampththis (Djedefptah) 2 years
III,17: Userkaf, 7 years
III,18: Sahure, 12 years
III,19: Neferirkare
III,20: Shepseskare, 7 years
III,21: Neferefre, ? years
III,22: Niuserre, 10 + x years, possbly 11
III,23: Menkauhor, 8 years
III,24: Djed (probably Djedkare), 28 years
III,25: Unas, 30 years
Abydos Kings list;..................................Turin Canon list.....................Manetho......Other names
1st Dynasty;
Meni (Established One)...........................Menes(Narmer)...... ...............Menes..........Hor-Aha
Teti.............................................. ..........Iteti(Aha).............................. Athothis
Iti (The Sovereign)...................................Iti(D jer).................................Kenkenes
Ita (The Sovereign Vulture).......................Itiui(Djet)........ ......................Wenefes.......Wadj
Djaty (Two Estates)................................Semti(Den) ............................Usafais
Mer-ba-pen\............................................Me rbiapen(Anedjib)................Miebis.........Ane ndjib
Semsem (Priest of Priests, Ptah Priest)...Semsem(Semerkhet).............Semempses
Qebh (Hawk-headed god of the south).......Kebehu(Qa'a).......................////////////...
2nd Dynasty;
Mdw-ti-umer...........................................Baw-Netjer(Hotepsekhemwi)....Boethos
Ka-kau (Soul of Bulls).............................Kakaw(Reneb)... .....................Kaiechos
Khnum-netjer-n (Sacred Ram)..................Banetjer(Ninetjer).......... ..........Binothris.....Nynetjer
Uadj-nes............................................... .unknown name.......................Thias......Weneg,Wadjne s
Sen-di, or Sen-Dji (Feared One)...............Sened.......................... .........Sethenes..Seth-Peribsen?
///////////////////////////////.............................Aaka(Neferkare?)..... ................Chaires
///////////////////////////////.............................Neferkasokar......... ..................Nefercheres
///////////////////////////////.............................erased?.............. ....................Sesochris
/////////////////////////////...............................Bebti(Khasekhemwi). ...............Cheneris
Dja-dja-tepy (The head Chief)..................//////////////////............................Necherophes
3rd Dynasty;
Nebka (Lord of the Souls).......................Nebka................ .....................Necherofes...Sanakhte
Djeser-za (Sacred Protection).................Djoser-it(Netjerikhet).................Tosorthios
Teti.............................................. ........Djoser-ti(Sekhemkhet)...............Tyreis..........Djose r-Teti
/////////////////////////////..............................erased?(Khaba?)..... ..................Mesochris....Khaba?
Z-Djes (I am my own man)...................../////////////////////...........................Suphis..(Huni?)
/////////////////////////////..............................////////////////////............................Toserfasis
///////////////////////////................................/////////////////////...........................Aches
///////////////////////////////............................Huni.................. ........................Sephouris
Nefer-ka-re (Good Soul of Re)................./////////////////////...........................Kerferes
4th Dynasty;
Snefru............................................ .....Snofru....................................... .Soris
Khufu............................................. .....Kheops......................................S uphis......Cheops
Djedef-re.............................................Dje defre......................................///////........(Ratoises?)
Khaf-re................................................ Khefren......................................Suphi s......Rekhaf
//////////////////////////////............................Bakare................ .......................Bicheris
Men-kau-re..........................................Mykeri nos..................................Mencheres
//////////////////////..................................../////////////////////............................Ratoises
Shepseskaf........................................ .Shepseskaf................................Seberch eres
//////////////////////....................................Thampththis... ............................Tamphtis
5th Dynasty
Userkaf........................................... ....Userkaf......................................U sercheres
Sahure............................................ ....Sahure.......................................S ephres
Kakai (Neferirkare)...............................Neferi rkare..................................Neferchres. ..Userkhau
/////////////////////////.................................Shepseskare...... ........................Cheres
Neferefre......................................... ....Neferefre..................................... Rathures......Raneferef
Niuserre.......................................... ....Niuserre.....................................S iseres
Menkauhor (Kaiu)................................Menkauhor... ...............................Mencheres
Djedkare (Isesi)...................................Djed.... .......................................Tencheres
Unas.............................................. ....Unas.......................................... Onnos..........Wenis
The above list was made by Paulo Riven and is subject to accuracy and/or corrections.
Manetho's list;
1st Dynasty........2nd Dynasty.....3rd Dynasty........4th Dynasty......5th Dynasty.............
Menes..............Boethos.............Necherofes. ........Soris................Usercheres...........
Athothis...........Kaiechos............Tosorthios. ..........Suphis.............Sephres.............. ..
Kenkenes.........Binothris............Tyreis...... ...........Suphis..............Nepherchres........ .
Wenefes...........Thias.................Mesochris. ..........Mencheres........Sisires................ .
Usafais.............Sethenes...........Suphis..... ...........Ratoises...........Cheres.............. ..
Miebis..............Chaires..............Toserfasi s...........Bicheris.............Rathures
Semempses.....Nefercheres........Aches............ ....Sebercheres.......Mencheres
.......................Sesochris...........Sephour is...........Tamphtis............Tencheres
.......................Cheneris.............Kerfer es.......................................Onnos
.......................Necherophes................ ............................................
1st Dynasty..........c.3100-2890 BCE
Menes (Hor-Aha)
Djer
Wadj (Djet)
Den
Anendjib
Semerkhet
Qa'a
2nd Dynasty..........c.2890-2686 BCE
Hotepsekhemwy
Raneb
Nynetjer
Seth-Peribsen
Khasekhemwy
3rd Dynasty..........c.2686-2613 BCE
Sanakhte (Nebka) (c.2688-2668)
Djoser (c.2668-2649)
Sekhemkhet (Djoser Teti) (c.2649-2641)
Khaba (c.2641-2637)
Huni (c.2637-2613)
4th Dynasty..........c.2613-2494 BCE
Snofru (c.2613-2589)
Khufu (Cheops) (c.2585-2566)
Djedefre (c.2566-2558)
Khafre (Rekhaf) (c.2558-2532)
Menkaure (Mykerinos) (c.2532-2514)
Shepseskaf (c.2514-2494)
5th Dynasty..........c.2494-2345 BCE
Userkaf (c.2494-2487)
Sahure (c.2487-2475)
Neferirkare Userkhau (c.2475-2455)
Shepseskare (c.2455-2448)
Raneferef (c.2448-2445)
Niuserre (c.2445-2421)
Menkauhor (c.2421-2413)
Djedkare (c.2413-2381)
Unas (Wenis) (c.2381-2345)
Turin Canon = 254(Menes+10 prior) + 25 pre-dynastic missing(Turin Sec.I:1-25) = 279 Kings
279/3 = 93.gen.x 100.yrs = 9,300.yrs
9,300 + 526 = 9,826.bC.
Herodotus: 11,340.yrs = 341.kings based on 3 generations = 100.yrs(33.33)
341/3 = 113.67 gen.X 100.yrs = 11,367.yrs
11,367 + 526.= 11,893.bC.
Psammetic III = 526.bC.
Amassis = 570.bC.
Menes = 244 kings = 81.33 gen. x 100 = 8,133.yrs
8,133 + 526 = 8,659.bC.
Modern record.
3200(Menes) - 526 = 2,674.yrs/244 = 10.96.yrs per king
Menes was originaly dated to 3400.bc based on the palermo stone with
an expected future drop of 100 years.*
Herodotus-341 X 10.96 = 3,737.36 + 526 = 4263.36.bC.
Turin Canon-279 x 10.96 = 3,057.84 + 526 = 3,583.84.bC.
Egyptian Calendar = 4241.bC*
2.79 error factor for Herodotus.(11,893/4263.36)
Plato Atlantean era Greece founding = 9,000.yrs./2.79 = 3225.81.yrs
Plato Egypt founding = 8,000.yrs./2.79 = 2867.38.yrs
3225.81 + 570(Amassis) = 3795.81.bC...Athen's Greece founded (Athena)
2867.38 + 570 = 3437.38.bC...Sais,Lower Egypt founded (Neith)
Atlantean War (post greece and egypt's founding) = 3250.bC
Turin Canon - 10 missing kings prior to Menes = 3200 - 3300.bC.
Narmer Palette - 10 Fallen Kings,Double Falcon era(Twins) - 3250.bC
Egyptian Tomb 100 map battle - 3250.bC
Gebel el Arak carved ivory knife battle - 3250.bC
Eye of Ra Destruction of Mankind = Hathor worship = Flood - 3250.bC.
Greek Cycladic Islands Stone(frying pan) map of Atlantis = ca.3000.bC
Sumerian/Gilgamesh flood legend = ca.3000.bC
Aeon and Protogonus,first mortals of Phoenicia = ca.3147.bC
Chaldean/Septuagint flood = 3183.bC
The catch 22 is that it is acceptable for Herodotus to say that 341 kings totalled 11,340 years based on 33.33 generations each, however , the answer is in the length of the kings reigns which is quite different than generations. A prime example of this is the Hebrew count for the 10 generations of Adam to Noah based on the ages that they had sons which was 1656 years to the flood. But the lifespans of the 10 patriarchs totalled 8225 years.
I am of opinion that this is precisely what Plato wrote in Solon's legend of Atlantis, when the Egyptian Priest stated 9000 yrs, they were referring to generations rather than actual length of rulership as our records of Egypt reveal so far as is known intelligable.
Compare 279 Kings @ 33.33 generations = 9,299.07 years or 244 kings(Menes) = 8,133. years, which clearly reflects the Egyptian Priest (Uadjahor Resne) stating that Egypt was founded 8000 years prior in Plato's(360.bC) preservation of Solon's(564.bC) Atlantis legend from Sais,Egypt in the time when Pharaoh Amassis was seated.
*-Ancient Records of Egypt,James Henry Breasted.Ph.D,Chicago,1906.aD.
BABYLON;
Apollodorus' kings list of Berossus.
1-Alorus of Babylon 10 sari
2-Alaparus-3 sari
3-Amelon of Pantibiblon-13 sari (Amillarus)
4-Ammenon the Chaldean-12 sari
5-Megalarus of Pantibiblon 18 sari
6-Daonus,shepherd from Pantibiblon-10 sari (Daos)
7-Euedorachus from Pantibiblon 18 sari
8-Amempsinus,a Chaldean from Laranche 10 sari
9-Otiartes (Ardates) 8 sari
10-Xisuthrus-18 sari (Sisithrus)
-------Flood-------------
total 120 sari
10 kings = 120 sari = 432,000.yrs
43,200 yrs per king
120 saroi = 432,000 (36,000 x 12)
3600 x 10 = 36,000
1 sarus = 3,600.yrs (600 x 6)
1 neros = 600.yrs (60 x 10)
1 sossus = 60.yrs (6 x 10)
Mathematicaly,the Babylonian base system of 1,6,10 and 60 is acceptable for the saroi table above as simple tools for counting.
For the Antedeluvian kings of Babylon,the term 120 sari becomes nothing more than a religious myth based on the concept of 2 hands totalling 120 saroi.
(10 fingers x 6 x 2 hands) This was due to the fascination with 6 and 12 that derived from our body parts,(2 arms,2 legs,1 head, 1 body) or (2 eyes,2 ears,1 mouth,1 nose) and the spaces of 3 on the inside of each finger and 2 for the thumbs.
It would be like saying that each finger was 12 saroi(43200yrs) for 1 king totaling 60 saroi per hand(216,000yrs) for the divine 120 saroi.(432,000yrs)
Now Gods may rule 432,000 years in Babylon or 4,320,000,000 years for 1 day of Brahma in India,but humans cannot in mortal form rule 43,200yrs.
We can adapt the indian concept for Babylon that 1 day would equal 1 God's year totaling 1183.56 human years for 120 saroi of 432,000yrs which would equal 9.86 years per sari. The oldest king being 18 sari would have been 177.48 years,so we can see this still seems incorrect. If we take our 9.86 years and divide it by our Herodotus factor of 2.79 yrs, we get 3.5 yrs per sari which gives 63 years rule for the oldest king of 18 sari.
In reality,the humor is that in respect of the kings,the sari is actualy only 1 year,totaling a modest 120 years for 10 kings rulership which we can compare to the modern average of 10.96 years for our Egyptian kings lists. The rest is just divine fantasy for the basal 6.
As compared to the chart below and a 2.79 divisable error factor for Herodotus' account of Egyptian kings, we can visualize that 1 sari is actualy only 1 year for the 10 antedeluvian kings of Babylon.
10 x 10.96 = 109.6 yrs
10/3 gen.= 3.33 x 100 = 333 yrs
333/2.79 = 119.35 yrs
But let us say that since each king sits on 1 of our fingers of 3 spaces to reveal the mystic secret of Babylon,that 3 should be our base of memory for transforming the antedeluvian kings. This would then be 30,9,39,36,54,30,54,30,24 and 54 for Xisuthrus totaling 360 years or a respectable 36 years per king which would also compare to the common statement of 3 generations is equal to 100 years by Herodotus,Solon or Plato to name a few great thinkers.
If we add the flood date of 3250.bC to 360 = 3610.bC for the first king Alorus of Babylon.
Alexander Polyhistor stated that there were some 86 kings after Xisuthrus to the Medes invasion of Babylon. 86 x 30 = 2580 + 620 = 3200.bC.
622-608 Cyaxares the mede takes Nineveh.(ca.620.bC).
86/3 = 28.67 gen.x 100 = 2867 + 620 = 3487.bC.
PHOENICIA;
A 30 year generation comparison for the Phoenician myth from Cadmus by Paulo Riven.
As being told by Eusebius of Caesarea.
Wind Colpias and wife Baau(Night)....................................... 3177.bC
Aeon and Protogonus.(Aeon finds food from trees).................3147..first mortals
Genos and Genea............................................. ..................3117..Phoenicia inhabited
Sun worshipped as Beelsamen(lord of Heaven)......................3087..Zeus in Greek
Light,Fire and Flame.(children of Aeon/Protogonus)...............3057.. fire by rubbing wooden sticks
Cassius,Libanus,Antilibanus,Brathy(Giants)........ ..................3027..mountains named by dwelling
Memrumus,Hypsuranius,Ousous....................... ..................2997..
Hypsuranius settles Tyre.............................................. .......2967..Tyre settled with reed huts
Ousous first to sail,consecrates 2 pillars of fire and wind........2937..animal skin clothes
Agreus and Halieus.(race of Hypsuranius).............................2907..hun tsmen and fishermen
Chrysor(Priest,Hephaestus,Zeus Meilichios)first to voyage.....2877..metallurgy,iron
Technites(Artificer),Geinos Autochthon(self born of earth).......2847..straw and clay bricks,roofs
Agros,Agrueros(Agrotes).greatest God for Byblos..................2817..Byblos settled
Aletae and Titans............................................ ....................2787..husbandmen and huntsmen
Amynos and Magus............................................. ...............2757..villages and sheepfolds
Misor(straight) and Suduc(just)....................................... .....2727..invented the use of salt
Taautus.(Thoth,Thoyth,Hermes),son of Misor,alphabet...........2697..later deified as God Tauthus.
Dioscuri,Cabeiri,Corybantes,Samothraces(of Suduc),............2667..first ships built
Elioun(most high) and Beruth(f),dwell near Byblos.................2637..herbs,healing and charms
Epigeius(Autochthon,Uranus) and Ge(Earth,f).......................2607..star named Uranus
Elus(Kronos),Baetylus,Dagon(Siton)and Atlas.......................2577..Kronos and Atlas born
Hermes Trismegistus..(secretary to Kronos).........................2547..
Persephone(f)and Athena(f).daughters of Kronos...................2517..Athena born
War of Uranus by Kronos.(advisor Hermes Trismegistus).......2487..First civil war
Demarus,(son of Uranus' concubine who married Dagon)........2457..
Kronos builds wall around Byblos as the First City................2427..Byblos becomes first City
Kronos buries brother Atlas in deep pit.................................2397..advisor Hermes Trismegistus
Dioscuri build rafts and ships,land near Mt.Cassius...............2367..first Temple near Mt.Cassius
Eloim and Kronii.(Allies of Kronus).......................................2337 ..
Sadidus and sister slain by father Kronos.............................2307..
Astarte,Rhea(Ehea) and Dione sent by Uranus vs Kronos......2277..retained as wives by Kronos.
Eimarmene,Hora and Allies sent by Uranus vs Kronos...........2247..retained by Kronos.
Baetylia,(living stones created by Uranus)............................2217..
7 Daughters called Titanides or Artemides............................2187..born to Kronos and Astarte
7 Sons born,youngest deified........................................... ...2157..born to Kronos and Rhea
Dione(f)is deified........................................... ......................2127..
Desire and Love(sons of Astarte).........................................2 097..
Dagon called Zeus Arotrios.......................................... .......2067..discovery of corn and plough
Asclepius..(born to Suduc and Titanide)...............................2037..
Zeus Belus,KronosII,Apollo..(born in Perae to Kronos)..........2007..Zeus Belus and Apollo born
Nereus..(son of Zeus Belus)............................................ ...1977..
Pontus(son of Nereus) and Typhon.....................................1947..
Sidon(f)and Poseidon..(children of Pontus)..........................1917..Sidon founded
Melcathrus.(Hercules),son of Demarus...............................1887..Hercul es
Uranus and Demarus wage war on Pontus..........................1857..war in mediterranean sea
32nd year of Kronos reign,he slays father Uranus................1827..inland near fountains and rivers
Astarte,Zeus Demarus and Adodus(king of Gods)................1797..rule Phoenicia by Kronos
Astarte sets bull head on her head as royalty(Amphitrite).....1767..sets star on holy island of Tyre
Kronos gives Attica to his daughter Athena.........................1737..Attica founded
Kronos sacrifices his son as a burnt offering to Uranus.........1707..circumcises himself and allies
Muth,(Thanatos or Pluto),dies and is deified........................1677..son of Kronos and Rhea
City of Byblos given to Dione by Kronos..............................1647..Dione called goddess Baaltis
City of Berytus given to Poseidon,Cabeiri,Agrotae,Halieis..1617..consecrati on of Pontus at Berytus
God Tauthus(Thoth,Hermes),given Egypt by Kronos............1587..gods preserved and organized
Ledud,only son of Kronos and nymph of country Anobret.....1557..sacrificed on Altar
Kronos deified as star Saturn............................................ 1527..
Thabion (first Heirophant of Phoenicia) alters myths............1497..mysteries,prophets,foreigne rs
Eisirius and Chna(Phoenix)..................................... ..........1467..
Cadmus............................................ ..............................1437.bC.
Records preserved by Suduc's 7 sons the Cabeiri and 8th brother Asclepius by order of Tauthus
Gods Sourmoubelos and Thuro(Eusarthis).rescue theology of Tauthus(Thoth)
Sanchuniathon of Berytus...(said to have lived prior to the Trojan war)
Hierombalus,priest of God Ieuo (Jeuo/Yeuo),gives records to Sanchuniathon
Sanchuniathon's works dedicated to King Abibalus of Berytus
Abibalus,father of Hiram,975-1000
Abibalus(Jabin)king of Asor,1111-1116
Semiramis, Queen of Assyria (750-800.bC)?
Sanchuniathon was inspired to seek the records of Thoth(Taautus)
Secret writings of Ammoneans
Translated into Greek by Philo of Byblos in 9 Books.
Philo Biblius....Paradoxical History...3 books
Philo Byblius....History of the Jews
Porphyry the Philosopher,Against The Christians,Book IV,verifies Sanchuniathon's history
Eusibius of Caesarea; Preparatio Evangelica,(Preparation for the Gospel) Book 1
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BIBLICAL;
Name......Father age..Life Age
Adam.........130^......930*
Seth...........105.......912
Enos............90.......905
Cainan.........70.......910
Malaleel.......65.......895
Jared..........162.......962
Henoch........65.......365
Mathusala...187......969
Lamech......182.......777
Noah..........500.......600
Total ......1,656....8,225 hebrew years
*Cain and Abel,the first sons of Adam are missing.?
_________________________2_________3_______4______ __5_________6__________8
1)adam 0..130^..235"..930*..(112)..1042.(98)..1140.(95).. 1235.(55).1290.(132).1422.(+234).1656.
2)seth...........0...105^...195"...800'..........9 12*
3)enos..................0.....90^...160".......... 807'.......905*
4)cainan........................0.....70^......... .135".......815'.......910*
5)malaleel..............................0......... ...65^.......227".......840'.......895*
6)Jared........................................... .......0........162^.......227".......830'........ .962*
7)henoch.......................................... ...................0.........65^.......252"..365*. ..
8)mathusala....................................... ..............................0........187^..300'. ..369"...(735+)...969*
9)lamech.......................................... .............................................0.... ........182^....682"....777*
10)noah........................................... .................................................. .............0.....500^....600*
.................................................. .................................................. ...................Sem..0.....100*
^ age became a Father
" age became a Grandfather
' age when father died
* end of life
(...) yrs son lived on
+ age of mathasula when grandfather Jared died (his father henoch died young)
-mathusala lived 5 years longer than his son lamech
Hebrew: 1,656 years to the flood
Samaritan: 1,307 years to the flood
Chaldean: 2,242 years to the flood
Masoteric text places the flood in b.C.2350 (Klaproth),the Samaritan in 2903,the Septuagint in 3134.
Hebrew - 1656 + 2350 = 4006.bC for Creation
Samaritan - 1307 + 2903 = 4210
Chaldean - 2242 + 3134 = 5376
(I forget who the source of this quote is at present-Riven.)
"From Adam to the flood: 2242 years; from the flood to the building of the tower, 525 years; from the building of the tower until Abraham 425; from Abraham until the Exodus of the sons of Israel from Egypt, 430; from the Exodus to the building of the Temple of Solomon 757 years; from the building of the temple to the captivity of Israel 425. Altogether 4880 years.[4] From the captivity to king Alexander 318; from Alexander to Christ our God 303. Altogether 5500 years.[5] And from Christ to Constantine the Great 318; from Constantine to Michael, son of Theophilos, 555. The whole span altogether 6375 years.[6]"
5425 adam
3183 flood
2658 babel
2233 abraham
1803 exodus
1046 temple
621 is.captive
303 - alexander
0-Jesus Christ
adam......5487 (chaldean)
flood.....3245
babel.....2720
abraham...2295
abraham...2220 (75 yrs old)
exodus....1790
temple....1033
captivity..608
alexander..330 (278 cap-alex)
Jesus Christ...27.bC.
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Atlantis________Egypt*______Babylon___(revised by Riven)__Bible
Atlas__________3610.bC____Alorus_______30______Ada m.......43^...116*
Gadeiros________***________Alaparus______9______Se th.........35....114
Ampheres______3538.bC____Amelon______39______Enos. .......30....113
Evaemon._______***________Ammenon____36______Caina n......23....113
Mneseus_______3466.bC____Megalarus____54______Mala leel...21....111
Autochthon______***________Daonus______30______Jar ed........54....120
Elasippus______3394.bC____Euedorachus__54______Hen och.....21......45
Mestor__________***________Amempsinus_30______Math usala..62....121
Azaes_________3322.bC____Otiartes______24______Lam ech......60.....97
Diaprepes_______***________Xisuthrus_____54______N oah........100....120
------------------------------------------------------------------360 yrs------------------..449---1070
---------HATHOR BULL WORSHIP------FLOOD 3250.bC.------------
*10 missing Egyptian kings prior to Pharaoh Menes (Turin Canon/Narmer Palette/Palermo Stone)
Age of Taurus = 2000-4000.bC.
341 Egyptian kings/3 = 113.67.gen. x 100 = 11,367 + 526 = 11893./2.79 = 4262.72.bC
4263.bc - 3250 = maximum of 1013 years available for Antedeluvian kings.(generations)
1013/2.79 = 363./10 kings = 36. years allowable for maximum length of rule.
Paulo Riven. 8491.aJA.(2009.aD.Mn.)
AeJor Mn (PJTCM)
SaJaRa
Wednesday,January 21,2009
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.111.[R].Riven The Seer and Royal Bloodline to Atlantis.[R].111.
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EUSEBIUS AND MANETHO
24,900 lunar / 2206 solar = 11.29 factor of conversion from Lunar to Solar
GODS; Ptah(Hephaestus) to Bidis-13,900 lunar years(30 day months) - /11.29 = 1231.2 solar years
DEMI-GODS;..........................1,255 / 11.29 = 111.16
OTHER KINGS;......................1,817 / 11.29 = 160.94
30 MEMPHIS KINGS;.............1,790 / 11.29 = 158.55
10 THINIS KINGS;.....................350 / 11.29 = 31
SHADES AND DEMI GODS;...5,813 / 11.29 = 514.9
TOTAL;.................11,025 / 11.29 = 976.55 solar
GODS;.................13,900 / 11.29 = 1231.2
TOTAL ....24,925 / 11.29 = 2207.75 SOLAR YEARS
PTAH....HEPHAESTUS
AMON....SOL (SUN)
THOTH...AGATHODAEMON (HERMES)
GEB.....CRONUS
OSIRIS..ZEUS DIONYSIOS
SET.....TYPHON
HORUS...APOLLO
KINGS
BIDIS
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ATLANTEAN CHRONOLOGIES BY AEJOR MN (PAULO RIVEN)
AETERNAL FATHER CREATOR AEJON..6482.bc
2ND GARDEN OF CREATION..................6435....Tansania,Avila(A frica)
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EGYPTIAN GODS..1231.2.yrs..5495.bC(Hephaestus)..(2242 CHALDEAN YEARS TO FLOOD)
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+87.KINGS.(954yrs)..DEMI-GODS....4264...-Atlantean Delta Empire
.................................................. ....4241...-Egyptian Calendar
.................................................. ....3795....Athen's Greece founded
.................................................. ....3437...-Sais founded,Delta
.........................................Atlantean war begins.........................
254.KINGS......................................331 0...-Atlantean Libyan Mareia,Delta,L.E.3rd nome
........Atlantean war ends,Atlantis island sinks,mediterranean cultures perish.................
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*********DELUGE FLOOD................3253.bC....DELUGE FLOOD************
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Pharaoh Menes.(244th)...................3200...-Egyptian Dynasty I,Upper Egypt
Psammetic III...................................526.bC.
.................................................. ........0....Jesus The Son of God
.........................................Feb.15th, 2009.aD.(8491.aJA)..today's date.
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341 Kings(Herodotus)
aejor_mn
[edit on 6-4-2010 by AeJor_Mn]
Ok, on a complete tangent, but hear me out;
How about we look rather than at speculation, but on how this may have been possible under our current understanding of science.
In short, the established theory of General Relativity. Time dilation due to space flight.
Imagine this. The 'Kings' have very advanced space flight technology, that can approach, or even reach (!) the speed of light. They can leave Earth, travel a distance in space at huge velocity for say 1 year, in this time span, due to the Theory, many thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years have passed on Earth.
They then return to Earth, they have aged very little, say 2 years, but 200,000 Earth years have passed.
Presto.
If anyone is interested I could probably do the maths as to Age/flight time/elapsed Earth time.
Just a thought.
How about we look rather than at speculation, but on how this may have been possible under our current understanding of science.
In short, the established theory of General Relativity. Time dilation due to space flight.
Imagine this. The 'Kings' have very advanced space flight technology, that can approach, or even reach (!) the speed of light. They can leave Earth, travel a distance in space at huge velocity for say 1 year, in this time span, due to the Theory, many thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years have passed on Earth.
They then return to Earth, they have aged very little, say 2 years, but 200,000 Earth years have passed.
Presto.
If anyone is interested I could probably do the maths as to Age/flight time/elapsed Earth time.
Just a thought.
reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE
On one hand, one might say that the longer life spans of old, as attested in almost every sacred text there is, is just wishful thinking. Life is dear, we all want it to last longer. Maybe we invented myths in which it did (as the myths get closer to our "time" and things can be verified, life spans tend to drop to the natural ones).
On the other hand, maybe God sought to limit the amount of the second most abundant element in the Universe (according to Einstein) so he had to cut down our lives to 70-80 years. Think about it, what amount of that element can be amassed or created in a smaller life span of 80 years compared to that of a longer, Methusalean life span of a millennium? Of course, the amount of hydrogen (the most abundant element in the Universe) is controlled within the stars, it is used up as fuel for the fusion that powers the stars and creates the heavier elements.
On one hand, one might say that the longer life spans of old, as attested in almost every sacred text there is, is just wishful thinking. Life is dear, we all want it to last longer. Maybe we invented myths in which it did (as the myths get closer to our "time" and things can be verified, life spans tend to drop to the natural ones).
On the other hand, maybe God sought to limit the amount of the second most abundant element in the Universe (according to Einstein) so he had to cut down our lives to 70-80 years. Think about it, what amount of that element can be amassed or created in a smaller life span of 80 years compared to that of a longer, Methusalean life span of a millennium? Of course, the amount of hydrogen (the most abundant element in the Universe) is controlled within the stars, it is used up as fuel for the fusion that powers the stars and creates the heavier elements.
reply to post by Fraank Fontaine
To even begin to consider a reign of two hundred thousand some odd
years to one individual. It seems we are going to need tangents, so I think this one has at least been proven possible. That is on paper.
[edit on 8-4-2010 by randyvs]
Ok, on a complete tangent, but hear me out;
To even begin to consider a reign of two hundred thousand some odd
years to one individual. It seems we are going to need tangents, so I think this one has at least been proven possible. That is on paper.
[edit on 8-4-2010 by randyvs]
reply to post by SLAYER69
Tim Burton, Beetlejuice. Get it?
James Cameron, Cocoon. Get it?
That is all.
Tim Burton, Beetlejuice. Get it?
James Cameron, Cocoon. Get it?
That is all.
Originally posted by elusive1
reply to post by SLAYER69
Tim Burton, Beetlejuice. Get it?
James Cameron, Cocoon. Get it?
That is all.
Witt is great.
Substance?
[edit on 24-4-2010 by SLAYER69]
As some people noted - the book listing the kings might not be true. However there is possibility that "year" is not our year, and not due to
different math.
Different climate or geography or even different astronomical conditions could cause misunderstanding.
Deluge, if happened as described, appears to be enormous cataclysm. So it could mess flow of information between generations. And it could change old Earth "homeostasis" to a new one.
Or ,again, it could be false info.
But least of all possibilities is one involving aliens. 200000 plus years? What , their technological progress stalled? Our civilization starting from nothing got to traveling between planets in less then this. And star-faring aliens just sat there as kings for all this time, not evolving beyond foolish need for people to worship/work for them? Guys, we will be replaced by much more efficient robots in most existing jobs, very soon. Alien kings, 200000 years...
Yeah, right.
Different climate or geography or even different astronomical conditions could cause misunderstanding.
Deluge, if happened as described, appears to be enormous cataclysm. So it could mess flow of information between generations. And it could change old Earth "homeostasis" to a new one.
Or ,again, it could be false info.
But least of all possibilities is one involving aliens. 200000 plus years? What , their technological progress stalled? Our civilization starting from nothing got to traveling between planets in less then this. And star-faring aliens just sat there as kings for all this time, not evolving beyond foolish need for people to worship/work for them? Guys, we will be replaced by much more efficient robots in most existing jobs, very soon. Alien kings, 200000 years...
Yeah, right.
reply to post by SLAYER69
Substance? Trehalose. $5/lb is as cheap as I have found it.
Witt is great.
Substance?
Substance? Trehalose. $5/lb is as cheap as I have found it.
I could see how kings could change physically, but still use the same name, as a title or homage to the original.
Its the same way the dalai lama is considered. he is a reincarnation of himself, so its technically, the same ruler, even though the body is different.
Its the same way the dalai lama is considered. he is a reincarnation of himself, so its technically, the same ruler, even though the body is different.
reply to post by SLAYER69
Witt is great and substance is better. Now one could say the very same thing about your post. Why was the witt that the poster displayed great and how did it relate to the opening post? Why would a little bit more substance be better?
The way that this was possible was relayed to me quite some time ago. Now if we take the Bible and follow it through and up to the time of the deluge the texts never once mention it raining on the earth. When Noah was told to go into the Ark the texts tell us that the flood gates of heaven were opened.
After this it rained for forty days and forty nights all over the planet. To sustain such a rainfall would indicate that there was in fact a huge store of water in the atmosphere. That kind of vapor layer would have increased the atmospheric pressure planet wide. It also would have blocked all of the harmful light rays that engage our aging processes.
When the flood gates were opened there was a dramatic change in global atmospheric pressures and there is evidence of mastodons being frozen in place with vegetation in their mouths in Antarctica. You see, that kind of vapor barrier would have created pristine conditions here on earth. I could elaborate more but there is enough here for someone who is interested in this theory to explore it further.
Oh how I hope there is enough substance here.
Witt is great. Substance?
Witt is great and substance is better. Now one could say the very same thing about your post. Why was the witt that the poster displayed great and how did it relate to the opening post? Why would a little bit more substance be better?
ADDING UP TO 241,200 YEARS. How is this possible? You could imply that the base 60 system was in use here, hence dividing the amount of years in each kinship, we are still left with an average of 500-600 ruling years per king, once again, how is this possible?
The way that this was possible was relayed to me quite some time ago. Now if we take the Bible and follow it through and up to the time of the deluge the texts never once mention it raining on the earth. When Noah was told to go into the Ark the texts tell us that the flood gates of heaven were opened.
After this it rained for forty days and forty nights all over the planet. To sustain such a rainfall would indicate that there was in fact a huge store of water in the atmosphere. That kind of vapor layer would have increased the atmospheric pressure planet wide. It also would have blocked all of the harmful light rays that engage our aging processes.
When the flood gates were opened there was a dramatic change in global atmospheric pressures and there is evidence of mastodons being frozen in place with vegetation in their mouths in Antarctica. You see, that kind of vapor barrier would have created pristine conditions here on earth. I could elaborate more but there is enough here for someone who is interested in this theory to explore it further.
Oh how I hope there is enough substance here.
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