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Wildfire: Forest Service Putting Up Smokescreen About Using Super Tanker?

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posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 11:06 AM
Out-take from 17-time Emmy Award winner, Tony Kovaleski, of DenverChannel's piece above-linked:

"I would say it's almost criminal that the Forest Service has not brought over here five years ago or 10 years ago these Ilyushin 76s," (US aviation guru Bill) Kauffman said.

Click for photo (large file size)

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by Banshee]

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 11:19 AM
Google search: Il-76+waterbomber

This might save interested participants a bit of time.

Thanks for the edit, Banshee. Had I known what was going to happen there,
I would have used the CheckSix photo instead.


[Edited on 3-6-2004 by JohnA]

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 11:22 AM
okay clue me in:
what's the danger about these air tankers?

i would think that the govt would be rushing to approve these aircrafts since forest fires are beginning to affect more of the populations now.

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 11:31 AM
The real danger is, that once the American people
see this tanker, nothing else will do.

That's really not fair to the effort put in by
tactical air support (smaller craft) when this
strategic airplane gets going.

Any fire, killed with any firefighting aircraft, pays for its use for an entire season.

- Al Simard - Canada's Chief Fire Officer

Here's the Forest Service 'plan ' from back in September:

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by JohnA]

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 11:40 AM
Bill Kauffman says holding off the tanker is
"almost criminal".

Who knows what's going on in the minds
of the boffins holding it off?

Napoleon Bonaparte is said once to have remarked:

Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity.

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by JohnA]

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 11:48 AM
I can tell you this:

While the as yet unproven 747 plied the skies
on Tom Brokaw's TV news last night, advocate
Tom Robinson debated with a US Forest
Service spokeswoman live on Albuquerque

Out of that came calls after the show
from many different areas..victims, firefighters,
businesses, Etc., inquiring about us*.
Most of them mad as hell at the USFS.

The us he's referring to is
Global Emergency Response

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by JohnA]

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 11:59 AM
Modifying the large equipment and insuring it is structualy sound for the mission is one thing ....... finding flightcrews willing to fly the missions or even testflight the idea is is not as simple as our imagination would like..someone has to be liable for possible failures and assume financial and human risks.

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 12:02 PM
Thanks for your comment.

The picture was from NATO.

The aircraft has been in service for
the better part of a decade i.e. in
more than one copy as the tanking
system is installable and uninstalled
in about 1.25 hrs. Five (5) or more
sets of tanks exist.

Can we count on your support?

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by JohnA]

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by JohnA]

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 12:32 PM
Article from Global Fire Monitoring Center, Freiburg, Germany - Max Planck U (Einstein's alma mater) archival, indicating the Australasian Fire Authorities Chief thinks (after FAR MORE WATERBOMBER TESTING THAN THE US FOREST SERVICE EVER DID that .."The IL-76 is a very, very good firefighting aircraft," he said. "It would be quite possible for it to play a role."

And so, LightCrew, while you are lacing
up your schmexpert boots, we're off
proving here that which you don't ever want to admit:

i.e. that you know squat about the IL-76
and that aggressively you will pursue ignorance at any cost.

Nothing pisses me off more than aggressive ignorance.


[Edited on 3-6-2004 by JohnA]

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 01:22 PM
And more discussion of the 747 as a firefighting tanker can be found here,

747 to be used to fight fires

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Phoenix
And more discussion of the 747 as a firefighting tanker can be found here,

747 to be used to fight fires

Thank you for that, Phoenix.

JohnA, we'll close this thread. Please share your links on the existing discussion linked above.

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