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Fed in hot water over secret bailouts

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posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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The sad tale of the United States and the "Federal" Reserve Bank should mark a major period of folly in the history books. The sooner the better.

We tend to equate the "mathemagic"of money-speak with some kind of authoritative meaning, while we continually side-line the reality that this 'specie' or 'currency' we allow the establishment to set as a measure of wealth, is in actuality a tool of vacuous intangible faith which they have the gall to call "good."

We seem to take, as granted that whether this money was held by one private bank or another, that it makes it 'real.' They trade in debt, not wealth.

As a monetary 'system,' this package deal the the singular private banking cartel has foisted upon the world has proven to be as rational as any casino. And the owners have no 'trust' worth banking.

As long as the notion that a politically-manned government cannot be trusted to implement monetary policy exists, these 'middlemen' will continue to use their 'trust' to monopolize and steal from 'notional' wealth with which they are 'entrusted.'

Evidently, the entrenched paradigm of 'ownership' is so pervasive as to make it impossible to avoid the moral hazard of 'control.'

Secret organizations, public organizations with secret agendas, private combines, ideological cabals, commercial cartels, all enjoy more control over our economic lives than we do.

It all starts with the games these people play, the bets they place, how well they cheat (us and each other), how cleverly they manipulate the public 'trust,' and whether or not they actually can rationalize their 'entitlement' to control without consequences.

The Fed is a construct of the global banking market; the United States cannot now, nor has it ever been, empowered to bring that body to justice. Just ask Sir Greenspan, or any other 'authority' after Wilson was President.




posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 10:19 PM
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Great contribution Maxmars;
I am a little bit of a fan of financial science and I have a great book recommendation. The book is called America's Financial Reckoning Day.
I give it two


A link to Amazon

Here is his website www.chuckcoppes.com...

I have a signed hard back, now that it is in paper back it is much cheaper.

S&F buddy!



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 06:03 AM
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Hmm...not sure why this making huge news right now. There wasn't ever any "secret bailout" that took place. The deals between JP Morgan and the Fed, as well as JP and Bear, has been public knowledge since the negotiation was finalized two years ago. Perhaps the details of the Fed's loan to JP Morgan, i.e. the details of the collateral have just recently been disclosed? Am I missing something? Also, in response to a few previous posts, the Treasury had no role in this. The Fed was the sole entity responsible in arranging JP Morgan's acquisition of Bear Stearns.



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 07:50 AM
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i dont care what the thread or the petty argument when you scare your own when you have had enough when you talk to yourself when you hit things that cant hit back when your poor when you cant pay this or that what does it matter talk talk talk talk talk all you want stfu are you really right are you really right ask yourself really ask yourself who is toooooooooooooooooo blame US US YOU ME ALL OF US



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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Just for record. From wiki


....in the mid-1990s, when Australia became involved in a series of high-profile operations, deploying significantly large units of combat troops in support of a number of missions including those in Cambodia, Rwanda, Somalia, and later in East Timor and the Solomon Islands. Australia has been involved in close to 100 separate missions, involving more than 30,000 personnel; 10 Australians have died during these operations.[181]


Did you guys declare war on these people?...

During the Iraq invasion the RAAF also flew its first combat missions since the Vietnam War, with No. 75 Squadron flying a total of 350 sorties and dropping 122 laser guided bombs. How were those bombs protecting your embassy?....

Your country also commited 2056 personel for the invasion of Iraq in a military mission called, Operation Falconeer. Defintely not as cool as a name as Shack and Awe though, but a mission nonetheless. And don't give me that peacekeeping trash, that's oxymoronic. According to wiki, you have lost 3 men in Iraq and 27 have been wounded.

I looked it up on the internet like you suggested.

And yes I am very aware of the 1 mil plus Iraqi's that have died because of what my government has done in my name. I feel it everyday.

Here's a neat article. Why Australia Supports Israel
newmatilda.com...

But the main issue here is that the Bankers profit off the debt war creates. So if we collectively as a species decided not to play their games, the 95% of us that are willing to get along with eachother, will get along with eachother.

And I think it's the 28 trillion that Bloomberg reported as being missing that might have the fed in hot water.

And Ron Paul's audit the fed amendment has been taken out of the Banking Reform Act. It's in the Senate now.


[edit on 4-4-2010 by wylee]



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by The_Tick
How much more public mistrust dose there need to be before the American people say enough is enough?










[edit on 4-4-2010 by Cosmic.Artifact]



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by wylee
reply to post by Silver Shadow
 


Just for record. From wiki


....in the mid-1990s, when Australia became involved in a series of high-profile operations, deploying significantly large units of combat troops in support of a number of missions including those in Cambodia, Rwanda, Somalia, and later in East Timor and the Solomon Islands. Australia has been involved in close to 100 separate missions, involving more than 30,000 personnel; 10 Australians have died during these operations.[181]


Did you guys declare war on these people?...


No, these have all been humanitarian aid, peace keeping, or police actions that we were involved in as part of our share of United Nations operations in (mostly) our part of the world.
We are doing this all the time all over the world, but none are combat missions involving assaults, invasions, air strikes, or heavy weapons.

I believe the most recent large Australian military operation was after the Tsunami hit Indonesia. We were not at war then either.
Think of rescue helicopters, and Hercules Transports full of blankets, tents, food and water. Nothing to do with warfare, weaponry, or combat.

The Australian military love this stuff. It is good training, they get to travel, and nobody gets killed.




During the Iraq invasion the RAAF also flew its first combat missions since the Vietnam War, with No. 75 Squadron flying a total of 350 sorties and dropping 122 laser guided bombs. How were those bombs protecting your embassy?....


Yes, we were in full combat mode in Iraq, the first time since Vietnam, when the United Nations Security Council decided to get fifty nations together for Desert Storm to boot Saddam out of Kuwait. That involved the navy, airforce, and SAS fully armed and using live ammunition, including laser guided bombs. Full on combat.
That was not an American war, but we were there as a responsible fully paid up UN member as part of a multinational effort.




Your country also commited 2056 personel for the invasion of Iraq in a military mission called, Operation Falconeer. Defintely not as cool as a name as Shack and Awe though, but a mission nonetheless. And don't give me that peacekeeping trash, that's oxymoronic. According to wiki, you have lost 3 men in Iraq and 27 have been wounded.

I looked it up on the internet like you suggested.


Yes and you are 100% correct about operation Falconer.

Not sure how many Aussies have died in Iraq, but I believe five uniformed military have died, all from accidents not combat related. Air crashes, vehicle crashes, weapon mishandling, that type of thing.

A very large number of Australian civilians have been killed in Iraq, mostly journalists, civilian aid workers and technical experts. Mainly by snipers, road bombs, or road ambush.
The problem is, we Aussie civilians look exactly like American civilians, so the insurgents try to kill us. The Aussie military are never fired upon, because the uniforms flags and insignia clearly indicate they are Australians. But being an Australian civilian in Iraq is extremely dangerous, and there have been (as a guess) maybe fifty Australian non military deaths.

After Gulf War One, the UN placed embargoes on Iraq to stop Saddam from rearming. The multinational forces blockaded Iraq to prevent weapons from being smuggled in. Australia was a major contributor to this blockade, and had many ships, transport aircraft and personnel in the Gulf.

Note, this was a blockade only, we stopped, boarded and searched ships, it involved no combat.

Operation Falconer was when all these aircraft and our navy assisted the US invasion by providing logistical support.
We flew in vast amounts of American military supplies and material into Iraq. Our SAS were there to provide perimeter defense for our airfields in Iraq.

This was purely logistical, it involved no combat missions in support of the US invasion. Once the US occupation was complete, all the Aussie ships and aircraft involved in operation Falconer returned to Australia.

The blockade of Iraq was over, because once America was in full occupation, Saddam could no longer smuggle weapons into Iraq.

During the actual Invasion, Bush trumpeted that Australians were there as loyal allies of America fighting besides Americans, and that is what the American public still believes today. But the truth is very different.

Howard and Bush cut a typical political deal.
Howard knew the Australian voters would not stand for Australia supporting America in an obviously illegal and immoral war and occupation.
And Bush knew that if Australia openly refused to assist America in the invasion it would be a huge slap in the face for him personally.

So they compromised.

Howard agreed to use ships and aircraft already in the Gulf performing blockade duty to assist in the invasion in a STRICTLY NON COMBAT role. That was operation Falconer.

Bush could brag about the non existent "coalition of the willing" and what a glorious war on terror America was leading with our loyal allies.
Americans loved that.

But back here in Australia we knew and understood the truth, how Howard (the old political fox) ran rings around Bush, and Australia has come out of it very well with no war and no military combat deaths in Iraq.

The American public were fooled completely, and many still think we are still there in Iraq fighting and dying in large numbers beside the American military.

I suggest you look up operation Falconer, and especially the medals awarded to the military in that operation.

All the medal recipients were administrators, maintenance staff, and air traffic controllers. Everything you would expect during a massive and sustained logistical operation.

There were no medals awarded to combat troops, because not a shot was fired.

www.govhouse.qld.gov.au...



[edit on 4/4/2010 by Silver Shadow]



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 08:33 PM
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The lunacy hits home when you ask yourself, just how many breakfasts, lunches and dinners does a person eat per day?

120 Trillion?

I don't have 120 quid!

But, then again, i only east one breakfast, lunch and dinner every day, so i'm fine.



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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I guess I get it now, thanks, mortgage company. You got yours and forget us, huh?


Mine got bailouts, and can't seem to give us a straight or competent answer on how to get our payment adjusted.

I think they will make more money somehow if we are forced out.

Probably insurance on the government's "loans" to the mortgage companies and banks, we are their collateral, our goods, that is.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by wylee

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During the Iraq invasion the RAAF also flew its first combat missions since the Vietnam War, with No. 75 Squadron flying a total of 350 sorties and dropping 122 laser guided bombs. How were those bombs protecting your embassy?....


You have two completely different wars all mixed up.

Gulf war one was where we were dropping those bombs on Saddam's army of occupation in Kuwait.

Gulf war Two is where the American military are killing the Iraqi people (civilians).
Australia are in Iraq guarding our embassy, providing aid to the Iraqi people, and we have taken no part at all in your nasty little illegal seven year long war.
In fact Australia and America are now on opposite sides in Iraq.
The aid Australia and all the other twenty eight nations in Iraq that we all provide, goes direct to the insurgents.

It is why the most powerful military on the planet, with 160,000+ battle troops and all the technology, cannot win against a few civilian insurgents. The insurgents have unlimited resources provided by countries like Australia and Canada.

Get it through you head, there have been two entirely different wars in Iraq.
We were involved in the first one , but not in the current war in Iraq, except in providing aid to the Iraqi civilian people (your enemy).

The first United Nations war ended in early 2003, the second illegal American invasion started in late 2003, and the two wars have absolutely nothing in common.




[edit on 5/4/2010 by Silver Shadow]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 07:28 AM
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I don't understand why you're getting off on these attempts to construe Australia as some peacekeeper. Whatever makes you sleep better.

If you want to blame the USA for all the problems in the world, go for it. But you do have blood on your hands and if you think Aussies are not part of the Anglo World Control Team, you're wrong.
Again for the record.


Australia’s contribution to the 1991 Persian Gulf War centred around a Naval Task Group which formed part of the multi-national fleet in the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman, under Operation Damask. In addition, medical teams were deployed aboard a US hospital ship and a naval clearance diving team took part in de-mining Kuwait’s port facilities at the end of the war.
Following the end of the War Australia deployed a medical unit on Operation Habitat to northern Iraq as part of Operation Provide Comfort. Royal Australian Navy warships were periodically deployed to the Persian Gulf to enforce sanctions against Iraq until the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.
While there were proposals to deploy other units (including an apparent US request for RF-111 reconnaissance aircraft) these proposals came to nothing and no Australian Army or Royal Australian Air Force combat units were deployed. While some publications suggest that the Australian Special Air Service Regiment took part in the war, this is not correct (though the SAS was brought to a higher state of readiness and a very small number of personnel on exchange to the British SAS saw action).



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by Subjective Truth
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I hate what the fed does.
But I am a realist nothing and I mean nothing will come from this and they will never get audited either. It is all pie in the sky. And nothing more than chest pounding. These guys are the real players they will never let it happen. The only way we will ever get to look inside is if everything falls apart and even then we might not get to see.


I wish we could but I know in my heart we never will get justice from the Fed.


Yup, the sting pullers never clip their own chords of control. Maybe a few unpopular low level accountant scapegoats will be rounded up by g-men before federally slaughtered in a public display intended to demonstrate the govt is on top of things, enforcing the law'n stuff. While geithner and his merry band of GOP/DNC enablers laugh at sucker tax payers.. as they flick ashes from their cuban cigars into 1/2 eaten gourmet meals cooked on their private jet.

...how about punishing their GOP & DNC establishment enablers?, like, uh, displacing the people who let the fed get away with this stuff? Is it not "in your face b1tch" obvious both the GOP & DNC are subservient to the so called root of all evil: money?. Look around, "they" are making an obscene amount tax dollar "no bid" war profits, getting bailed out, or "losing 3 trillion"... lots of money your kids haven't even thought of earning yet. Meanwhile a lot of "us" are getting foreclosed on, evicted, laid off, benefits cut, rights eroded.. finger banged, scanned, sniffed, checked, watched...

Whacking the same old poopy ball left & right for generations is like a futile game of turd ping-pong... everyone gets splattered with wet feces, even the winners stink and you have to hold you nose & keep from vomiting to watch.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by wylee
I don't understand why you're getting off on these attempts to construe Australia as some peacekeeper. Whatever makes you sleep better.


But peace keeping is exactly what we have been doing in many overseas countries. Let the true facts speak for themselves.




If you want to blame the USA for all the problems in the world, go for it. But you do have blood on your hands and if you think Aussies are not part of the Anglo World Control Team, you're wrong.
Again for the record.



Australia’s contribution to the 1991 Persian Gulf War centred around a Naval Task Group which formed part of the multi-national fleet in the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman, under Operation Damask. In addition, medical teams were deployed aboard a US hospital ship and a naval clearance diving team took part in de-mining Kuwait’s port facilities at the end of the war.
Following the end of the War Australia deployed a medical unit on Operation Habitat to northern Iraq as part of Operation Provide Comfort. Royal Australian Navy warships were periodically deployed to the Persian Gulf to enforce sanctions against Iraq until the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.
While there were proposals to deploy other units (including an apparent US request for RF-111 reconnaissance aircraft) these proposals came to nothing and no Australian Army or Royal Australian Air Force combat units were deployed. While some publications suggest that the Australian Special Air Service Regiment took part in the war, this is not correct (though the SAS was brought to a higher state of readiness and a very small number of personnel on exchange to the British SAS saw action).


Yes, the United Nations Security council voted and decided that something had to be done about the illegal invasion and occupation of Kuwait.

So fifty nations decided to send a large combined military force into Kuwait and fix the problem.
Every UN member nation contributed something to this, even very small nations.
All fifty nations have blood on their hands.
But in the end justice was seen to be done, from the perspective of world opinion and international law.

On the other hand, the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq by America in Gulf War Two is every bit as bad as what Saddam did in invading and occupying Kuwait.

The only reason the combined United Nations did not attack American forces illegally occupying Iraq, is that America has the power of veto in the UN.
So there was no point in even voting upon it.

The UN member nations could not officially force America out of Iraq as should have happened.........
So the world nations did the very next best thing.
Twenty eight nations sent military forces into Iraq, not to assist American combat operations there. Far from it.
But to support the Iraqi people you call insurgents.
Aid of every type continues to pour into Iraq from almost every nation on the planet.

Now Americans have heard all about the other twenty eight nations that have military in Iraq, "rebuilding Iraq".
Americans just arrogantly assume these other twenty eight nations were assisting the US in killing insurgents, blowing things up and torturing people.
But that is not why they are there, far from it.

And you may now begin to understand why the insurgents are scrupulously careful not to fire upon, or accidentally road bomb, the military of the nations in Iraq supplying aid. Only the US military are being attacked because they are the hated invaders. The military of other nations are very welcome guests in Iraq.

The insurgents and Iraqi people have always had an unlimited continuous supply of international aid and resources coming from all around the world, and can keep winning against the US military until you finally retreat from Iraq shamed and defeated.

And that is the only way it can possibly end.

Americans just take for granted that 160,000+ American battle troops have been fighting a few disorganized sand monkeys in Iraq for seven years.

Iraq is now a burned out desolate sand pit, with no agriculture, no manufacturing, and a broken down infrastructure.

How could the Iraqi people otherwise have held out against the American military for seven years ?

If you can understand the reality of all this, then the truth (THAT MUST NEVER BE SPOKEN OF IN AMERICA) might suddenly dawn upon you.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 09:59 PM
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Care to enlighten me on how this is even remotely related to the topic?

We get it. You think Australia is super cool, and America sucks boogers. Now go away and quit derailing a good thread with this nonsense.

[edit on 6-4-2010 by bigfatfurrytexan]



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Care to enlighten me on how this is even remotely related to the topic?


It doesn't.
But I always respond to anyone that quotes me, or replies to me.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 11:11 PM
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You give a little slack, they take the whole rope. You are left cleaning everything up without a peep out of your mouth. How long must this abuse be allowed in America? People say America this or America that, America is glued to the TV and nothing more.

You have a bunch of addicts who relapse every time they receive a paycheck and go on a shopping spree. Not a care in the world, until one day it will bite us in the rear. There will be a time where people have to put their foot down. Until that comes, this is not news at all. It is simply falling on deaf ears.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by Silver Shadow

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Care to enlighten me on how this is even remotely related to the topic?


It doesn't.
But I always respond to anyone that quotes me, or replies to me.


your first post in this thread:


If the US military had spent 700 billion shooting and blowing up brown or yellow people, Americans would cheer.

But because it was all spent on crooked American Politicians and Bankers, that is very bad.


Oh yea, that wasn't baiting was it?

Make another thread, title it "Supercool Australia That Never Fights" and put a link in here.



[edit on 7-4-2010 by bigfatfurrytexan]



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 09:37 AM
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I for one think a new Treasury Note will soon be our money. The FED is quickly becoming transparent, and we can all see what they have done. there will be an audit, and a seizure of assets, the RICO Act would come in real handy here. Federal Reserve Bank, Central Bank, Bank of America, and the Bank for International Settlements My belief in the existence of the New World Order centers around the activities, actions and writings of the members of the elite (mostly Anglo-American) inside the International Banking Cartel - which of course includes the Rockefeller and Rothschild families – over roughly the last century up to today.

This cartel financed the Civil War, two World Wars; the Revolutions of Lenin/Stalin and Hitler, among others; the creation of the IMF, World Bank and other private "central banks" like the Federal Reserve and the Bank of England. Their backing of international organizations like the United Nations, World Health Organization, World Trade Organization has sought to control not only the purse strings of the governments of the entire world, but also the policies, laws and programs that those governments and agencies implement. To the letter.

The only way to break free of the slavery of International Banking is to take them all down at once. By using the Constitution and the Law, not by violence of any kind. A Joe Stack like attack against them would only make them stronger, and us weaker. The best way to win a thing like this is by attrition. Stop paying them. Hard thing to do, you say? Is it harder than eternal slavery under a Forth Reich Empire? Cut off the head of the Serpent, and the Serpent dies.



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