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posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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Actually, here is an excerpt from the official transcript that was linked by ArMaP on the previous page:


Barack has led by example. When we took our trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test----for the very point of showing folks in Kenya that there is nothing to be embarrassed about in getting tested. We did it….. (Applause)


Sorry, folks. The word "father" appears nowhere near the word Kenya. She meant it as it was said.

Link: www.traditionalvalues.org...

[edit on 3-4-2010 by lpowell0627]




posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 02:43 PM
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I would say she simply meant that Obama's family come from Kenya, which would make sense considering the slave trade was big there and he is black.

Even so i have to ask a small question, does it really matter? He was raised in the states, he considers himself american, he follows your constitution (at least to the same level modern presidents have) and genereally he considers himself to be an american.

So what is your problem? Is it simply because the guy is black? Yeah i said it and i will say it again. I wonder if the same movements would be going on if he were white.

To discover a mans country, first look at where he lives, then look in his heart and examine his values. - This isn't a quote but no doubt someone more intelligent than i has said it before.

This statement comes from a non american who doesn't much like Obama.

[edit on 3-4-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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My god,

Obama is committed to his nationality and calls Kenya his home. I'm Italian and if my father or mother were to be born in Rome, I'd call it my home town as well.

Stop taking things out of context. This theory has been debunked and thrown away.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Obama is committed to his nationality and calls Kenya his home.
As far as this thread goes, Michelle Obama said Kenya is Barack's home country, it wasn't him.

And if we think a little more about it I think someone can come up with a theory that Michelle Obama did that on purpose.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Obama is committed to his nationality and calls Kenya his home.
As far as this thread goes, Michelle Obama said Kenya is Barack's home country, it wasn't him.

And if we think a little more about it I think someone can come up with a theory that Michelle Obama did that on purpose.


well she came empty handed and there were some notes left for her to peek at but she didn't have a teleprompter. so i'm assuming she was improvising.

let's put it this way - if he WASN'T born in the US and she knew about it and she's a lawyer - she knows damn well not to give that part away. this was a slip-up like we all have from time to time.

maybe it's because of this mistake that obama is now constantly using teleprompters so he won't give away his kenian birth


(that was sarcasm)



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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More the reason that this theory is invalid lol



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 06:41 PM
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There are so many questions on BHO's citizenship issue. Now his wife throws more fuel on the fire. Or maybe she spits in our face!



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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Not "now", that video is from 2008.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by SWCCFAN
There are so many questions on BHO's citizenship issue. Now his wife throws more fuel on the fire. Or maybe she spits in our face!


Seriously? I am willing to place large bets on whether or not a white man would undergo such tests. It really seems to me as if racism is not only alive and well in the USA, but it is mainstream. The arguments about his birth have been made again and again and yet legal challenges will not suceed and why? Because legal challenges require evidence and evidence is lacking. He is your president, accept it and move along. From this point you should not challenge his election, simply challenge his policies.

Indeed if you disagree with his election you should consider the consequences of taking him down. All current laws would be revoked or at least reconsidered, your country would have to be placed in the hands of congress or even the military while a new election takes place, the economic problems this would incur would be terrible for your country and indeed the world. Also it could incur a full on revolution which would throw your country into turmoil for the next 5 years. As you spend 10 times more on your military than your leading competitor, this could spell terrible trouble.

Now consider what he has done as a president. He has upheld your constitution, at least to the same level that modern presidents have if we take it from the days of Clinton. Social healthcare seems to be a big issue, even though other countries have proven that government run healthcare mans individuals spend less and gain equal or better service.

And now to quote myself again (this is so arrogant, i'm sorry.)

"To discover a mans country, first look at where he lives, then look in his heart and examine his values."



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 10:18 PM
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If you quote Hitler AND quote it frequently enough, eventually it will be flagged

-Me



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 10:43 PM
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Exactly, everyone will try and say, well she said "home country" not "where he was born"

To me it doesnt matter. To have the leader of the most powerful nation in the world claim another country as his "HOME" country is disheartening at best, a true conspiracy at worst.

Personally, I dont feel comfortable having someone lead a country when his "home" is on a completely different country. Albeit, one that is known for corruption and a completely different religion than the US. Not that I am religious, but tell me please... whats the ratio of christian terrorists to islamic terrorists?

Dont worry, I'll wait...



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by Derised Emanresu
 



I forgot that all the world is only relative to your experience and that any other possible explanation is wrong unless it conforms to your experience.



I said no such thing. All I said was that it was a stupid assertion to say that someone would call their ancestors home land their home country and I gave examples. Forgive me.
You actually make my point for me, you say it is stupid to make an assertion that ones use of the term: "home country", would be related to the relationship it represents. But then you actually show that. The sematic ecology of the term home country has a specific relationship for you and the use of it will be different. You explain what that meaning and relationship is to you from your experiences.
So I think the only stupidity inserted in any assertions would be that of your own statements.

You define the term from your own experience. Michelle Obama's experience and relationship with that term will and can and is different especially when she also includes Obama in the equation, as again that relationship and experience changes the use and the value of the words.

This is all you guys have, is trying to form a rigid meaning and relationship of the terms with "home counrty" as defining Obama place of birth.

What did the women say.
Home country, is what she said. And as I point out in a former reply, one term's meaning is shaped by that of related terms, the usage of the term "home country" for people who are immigrants or the children of foreign national that are born in different countries(Say like Barry, whose father was Kenyan but Barry was born in the USA) can easily be the same.

I too can, site personal experience, My parents are Irish Nationals who immigrated. I was born after they immigrated. I have travelled back to Ireland twice. My parents related my travels to Ireland as being that I was going Home, they would tell people I was going Home. I was not born there. When I got to Ireland, my relatives would say similar things. I understand that "home" can mean different things relative to ones relationship with a country when used by another to describe or define a relationship. This is exactly what Michelle Obama does.

Michelle didn't say he was born there did she. That would be the obvious relationship to site would it not? But she sites the relationship, his "home country" and that can mean the same thing as his Fathers birth place, or an ancestral home. Which I think is the relationship Michelle is referring too.




And just how do you know that I'm a birther?
Because you actually need to grasp at a video from 2008, twist a phrase and then site only your own preferences and experiences as the only possible means of defining what Michelle Obama was actually talking about. You then dismiss anyone who suggests that the term "home country" is not absolute as a specific to a persons place of birth but can also describe another relationship to a place, as being stupid.
That is why I think you are a birther.


I apologize for my earlier comment regarding birthers as being retarded, it was petty and juvenile. It is not a valid statement that describes you, or any other poster on this forum.
I am sorry, and will see to it that I do not regress to such taunts or accusations again.



[edit on 3-4-2010 by Derised Emanresu]



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 02:04 AM
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I will honestly never understand why so many care about the nationality of the man who is, from an outside view, saving your country.

You're all basically less-fortunate europeans anyway, should only those of irish descent be allowed to become president in the future? No? Then you see how ridiculous whining about nationality is when your ancestors were all from different european countries.

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posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by Xadaz
I will honestly never understand why so many care about the nationality of the man who is, from an outside view, saving your country.

You're all basically less-fortunate europeans anyway, should only those of irish descent be allowed to become president in the future? No? Then you see how ridiculous whining about nationality is when your ancestors were all from different european countries.


First off, I'm not altogether sure he is saving the country. I am having a decidedly hard time pointing to something the man has done, and saying, "Yes, that was good."

Secondly, I'll enlighten you a bit, shall I? Try to imagine, if you will, that a person from communist China went and became PM in the UK. Not a problem? No conflict of interest? Still doesn't matter? It's about not letting someone with an agenda contrary to the United States into the most powerful office in the United States.

There's also the secondary note of LYING. I really can't fathom how people can just let someone lie to their face, and they're apparently ok with that. I have read on these forums multiple times, that IF this proved to be true, that Obama supporters would be perfectly fine with it... Let's just say, they are far more forgiving than I. There are a handful of things I can't tolerate, and one of them is people lying.

Chrono



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 02:38 AM
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Someone being from somewhere doesn't make them bad, hard concept I know, but there were people in germany 70 years ago that weren't down with the whole nazi regime shebang.

There are good arabs and muslims, which is all this xenophobic tripe really boils down too anyway.

I'll point to the socialisation of healthcare plans as the first step he's taken in helping you guys out.



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by Xadaz
Someone being from somewhere doesn't make them bad, hard concept I know, but there were people in germany 70 years ago that weren't down with the whole nazi regime shebang.

There are good arabs and muslims, which is all this xenophobic tripe really boils down too anyway.

I'll point to the socialisation of healthcare plans as the first step he's taken in helping you guys out.




You're not understanding ppls anger toward the issue. The issue isn't whether or not he's African or Australian or Turkish, or that it makes you a bad guy. The issue at hand which is upsetting ppl is that it is the law. When laws are overlooked or broken at the highest level of office in the U.S. there is a giant problem. No one is saying he shouldn't be POTUS because Kenyans are bad ppl. Well perhaps some are, but let us not go there.



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by loveguy
Hello,
OK. I'm just lurking/posting incognito. I want to see this get more flags.
The video I'm sure will get removed within minutes, as soon as it is pointed-out to some creep able to have it removed from internet "service."

How can one make a copy of it?

Thanks. I'll be back to bump this often...



I have already snagged a copy of the video and the sound file.

This is not going away.

The ONLY Americans or anyone I know that says "home country" are those who are not from here or not born here!

Heck,my room mate said the exact same phrase just today and he is an naturalized American, born and raised in the Philippines.



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 02:52 AM
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Star for you Sir/Ma'am, I'm glad someone gets it. I do so dislike having to explain basic concepts.

Chrono



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 02:52 AM
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One of the world's leading nations if not the foremost ladies and gentlemen, bound by draconiac legislation desperately trying to hold onto it and unwilling to accept the word you all elected him on - change.

*applauds*



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 02:59 AM
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Listen, man. I am not one of the birthers. I believe the man was born here in the US, but that being said, if in fact it was found that he wasn't a natural born citizen then there is a problem. The US constitution is the backbone of our nation and is to be adhered to at all costs. It is what makes this country great (well that and baseball). The beauty of this document is that it can be ratified to better suit the times we live in. As of now though, a candidate for US presidency must be a natural born citizen so as not to create a conflict of interest. Now I know you're not an American and wherever you're from is super cool, but we here in the US like to respect the law of the land. You can hug trees and break laws though if that floats your boat, but don't you dare disrespect the greatest piece of governmental legislature on the world pal.






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