Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by Derised Emanresu
I forgot that all the world is only relative to your experience and that any other possible explanation is wrong unless it conforms to your
I said no such thing. All I said was that it was a stupid assertion to say that someone would call their ancestors home land their home country and I
gave examples. Forgive me.
You actually make my point for me, you say it is stupid to make an assertion that ones use of the term: "home
country", would be related to the relationship it represents. But then you actually show that. The sematic ecology of the term home country has a
specific relationship for you and the use of it will be different. You explain what that meaning and relationship is to you from your experiences.
So I think the only stupidity inserted in any assertions would be that of your own statements.
You define the term from your own experience. Michelle Obama's experience and relationship with that term will and can and is different especially
when she also includes Obama in the equation, as again that relationship and experience changes the use and the value of the words.
This is all you guys have, is trying to form a rigid meaning and relationship of the terms with "home counrty" as defining Obama place of birth.
What did the women say.
Home country, is what she said. And as I point out in a former reply, one term's meaning is shaped by that of related terms, the usage of the term
"home country" for people who are immigrants or the children of foreign national that are born in different countries(Say like Barry, whose father
was Kenyan but Barry was born in the USA) can easily be the same
I too can, site personal experience, My parents are Irish Nationals who immigrated. I was born after they immigrated. I have travelled back to Ireland
twice. My parents related my travels to Ireland as being that I was going Home, they would tell people I was going Home. I was not born there. When I
got to Ireland, my relatives would say similar things. I understand that "home" can mean different things relative to ones relationship with a
country when used by another to describe or define a relationship. This is exactly what Michelle Obama does.
Michelle didn't say he was born there did she. That would be the obvious relationship to site would it not? But she sites the relationship, his
"home country" and that can mean the same thing as his Fathers birth place, or an ancestral home. Which I think is the relationship Michelle is
And just how do you know that I'm a birther?
Because you actually need to grasp at a video from 2008, twist a phrase and then site only your
own preferences and experiences as the only possible means of defining what Michelle Obama was actually talking about. You then dismiss anyone who
suggests that the term "home country" is not absolute as a specific to a persons place of birth but can also describe another relationship to a
place, as being stupid.
That is why I think you are a birther.
I apologize for my earlier comment regarding birthers as being retarded, it was petty and juvenile. It is not a valid statement that describes you, or
any other poster on this forum.
I am sorry, and will see to it that I do not regress to such taunts or accusations again.
[edit on 3-4-2010 by Derised Emanresu]