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GOP senator: Unemployment benefits make people not want to work

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posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 02:40 PM
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The second ranking Republican in the Senate told fellow senators on the floor of the Senate Monday that unemployment benefits are bad for America.

Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) declared that unemployment benefits are bad for the economy because they encourage people to stay jobless.

"People are being paid even though they're not working," Kyl said.

Unemployment insurance "doesn't create new jobs. In fact, if anything, continuing to pay people unemployment compensation is a disincentive for them to seek new work," Kyl posited. The Republican Senate Whip was effectively coming to the political defense of fellow Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY), who has blocked the extension of unemployment benefits and caused the furlough of more than 2,000 federal workers for two consecutive days.

In countries with free market system such as america, government is not allowed to have 'protectionist policy' such as this.

China, Emerging Asia to Fight `Protectionist' Obama


Asia's leaders, led by an ascendant China, say they hope Barack Obama didn't really mean those campaign promises to protect American trade. And if he did, they are in better shape to object than ever before.

To Asian ears, Obama's calls for tougher labor and environmental rules and steps to reduce the U.S. trade deficit sound like thinly veiled protectionism, just as a global financial crisis makes exports more crucial than ever.

``The immediate concern with Obama will be economic relations,'' said Wu Xinbo, deputy director of the Center for American Studies at Fudan University in Shanghai. ``The U.S. will be less forthcoming in pursuing economic liberalization in the Asia region'' because of concerns about jobs lost to trade.

His buy american jargon, that is a big no no.

Barack Obama to dilute 'Buy American' plan after Europe threatens US with trade war

Besides, unemployment benefit is indeed a socialist policy. Even Ron Paul is against it. He voted against it on November last year.
House Vote 859 - Extending Unemployment Benefits. See.

I'm not defending what the senator said, but in this free market system, americans have to be able to compete as best as you can against asia and europe in every conceivable way, it's survival for the fittest, if you fail, you'll die, as simple as that.




posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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Wow, I have never seen so much angst and disapproval of the unemployment system. I thought this system was essentially a public insurance policy. Employeers pay into the system (compulsary, enforced at state level) and in the circumstance that a person is laid off or fired for no fault, etc., the unemployment insurance gives them enough of a safety net to allow them to continue to eat and pay their bills until they manage to find a new job.

The key thing here, as I recall, is that unemployment insurance does NOT pay you 100% of your salary. It is also compulsary that the benificiary be actively looking for a job.

So, I dunno. I don't really think that people are just taking money for nothing from the government. Jobs are actually still very hard to come by out there, with the exception of certain industries. I do see that the system could be abused, but at this point, I am hesitant to see the life line cut. Within 3 months, you will see mass homelessness and tent cities.

The simplest way to bring about a total economic and social collapse in the US is to cut off unemployment.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 03:12 PM
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No he is right, even though I was a recipient of unemployment at one time. Look at it this way, Were giving money for not working, you know if you lose your job you’re going to get unemployment. BUT if you knew that unemployment was not there, and you lose your job you may save more money for a just in case I lose my job. I was on it for about 3 months and thought to myself damn, I am on welfare so I went out got a job at MacDonald’s, even though I had A BA in Business, turns out it was the best move I made because after three months of flipping Burgers, I got a job as a warehouse supervisor because one of my customers just so happened to be looking for one…

Now even the evil Chinese do not have unemployment, those people save up more money than Americans and that’s a Commie nation....

Now don’t tell me your taxes pay for that, unless you have to pay Uncle Sam money every year, if you get back a tax return in theory you do not pay taxes. So who gets unemployment again??? Right that’s what I thought.

Get rid of unemployment, welfare, WIC, Medicare, Medicaid, SSI, SS. If you can’t be smart and save your own money for when you retire then that’s your problem, not the rest of Americas.

Look it me seem like I am being mean spirited and heartless but damn many of you complain about the government takeover, well hell they’ve been doing since the Depression, as long as the government hands this stuff out there will always be a debt and you will always have the bottom of American striving for their next chunk of government cheese instead of trying to make their own.,….. Think about it, I know many of us our in finical trouble, but honestly do you think relying on someone else is going to help you? No it isn’t if you can’t find a job create one, if you can’t create one, find one. There’s work out there, and now is the time to go out on your own. Create your own sewing shop there’s got to be something you can do, DO NOT RELY ON THE FEDS FOR ANYTHING… Be self sufficient



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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Let me see, off work since Sept 08. Never requested unemployment.

Now, Unemployment is another insurance. Where the payout is supposed to be for an allotted time frame. It was never meant to be another welfare system that goes on forever. It is paid for by the employers depending upon how they have done in the past.

The federal government has been continuing the payments beyond the allotted time frame.

I do not know how to gauge the benefits against the problems. Just printing up more money and going further in debt decreases the value of the dollar.

Of course we have to keep the MIC rolling don't we?

Oh well, the cliff is only a couple more feet, might just as well get a head of steam going, we will be able to sustain a little air time.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 03:28 PM
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Someone hit the nail right on the head.

If you get paid not to work, where is the incentive to find a job quickly?

Has anyone ever referred to Jon Kyl as "Mr. Obvious"?



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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Yeah, close every hospital to anyone that can't afford treatment. Just shoot the ill and impoverished at the door if they can't pay.

Unplug granny now.....
Why prolong a useless old bird that we know will no longer be productive.
Or put on your jack boots and stomp on the heads of babies that are born to the poor.

If you get injured on the job, don't call an ambulance. Save a few bucks and toss em into a hole. The dollars saved can go to support the private planes and excessive salaries of the rich CEO that truly deserves that money.

And don't get me started on the homeless and mentally ill. A bullet only costs about 30 cents...

Your idea is asinine.


[edit on 2/4/2010 by anxietydisorder]



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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Actually.... I'm not against unemployment benefits or any other "socialist policy". However, it's the case of taking the red pill vs the blue pill. At the current economic condition, all of these things are simply unsustainable. Who's going to pay for them?
If america chooses to go down this path, you have to be prepared for the risk and the consequences.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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But I live in Canada, and our system seems to work just fine.
I was born under it, I've contributed heavily to it through taxes, and it's given back to me when I needed a doctor or medications.

No family is left at the curb due to an illness by prohibitive costs.
My plan even covers full dental.

If you ever want a North American Union it's gonna cost you.
After this step will be immigration reform, gun control, financial regulation, and continuing integration of the military.

Those are being sorted out right now, like repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", our currencies are being held at par, regulation of banking institutions, and then the restrictions on firearms.

Oh, and Canada would appreciate it if you would pick up your litter now...
And please be polite when you ask for our natural resources.




EDIT: Can't spell



[edit on 2/4/2010 by anxietydisorder]



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 04:46 PM
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Community Service for Unemployment



nuff said...



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 04:50 PM
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I agree with that.
See, we're already getting together on the planned reformation.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 05:03 PM
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What people fail to realise is that if you remove the benefits expect a rise in crime. Also consider this it costs $62.01 per day to keep one inmate in prison. If you remove benefits and these people commit crimes because of it, it is still going to cost the government in the long run. There is not a shortage of jobs only a shortage of money to pay them because these jobs dont generate money like social care enviormental clean up etc. So its down to the monetary system you want to keep it and have short term fixes made by hare brained politicans or a non monetary system where things can be done without worrying about the cost.
However to have a non monetary sytem requires the government and its people to be intelligent......



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 05:36 PM
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This is simple, the people that support statement's like Kyl's have jobs. It's easy to embrace such bravado when you are not the one facing losing your home, not being able to feed your family and having no prospect for a decent job. Sure, I could go out and get some crappy $8/hour job... but them I'm stuck. I have no time to apply to and interview for jobs in my field. And for those of you who believe that it is "My problem" haven't had to face the reality that no one wants to hire you for the $8/hour job because you are overqualified and the employer knows that you will leave when a better opportunity presents itself.

Couple that with the fact that this country continues to bleed jobs (Don't believe the media spin that the job market is improving - job losses are LOSSES, not gains!) at record rates and it is simple to see why so many remain unemployed.

I just hope all of you folks who agree with Kyl never find yourselves in a situation like the millions of us Americans who are struggling to find even a mediocre job!



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 05:52 PM
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Several years ago -- I think it was about 1990 or thereabouts, I was laid off; I was on contract to the U.S. government, doing environmental assessments and cleanups. I'd been paying an unemployment tithing for several years.

I looked dilligently for work -- ANY work -- and was unsuccessful, so I drew unemployment for six months. During that time, I put together a business plan to bid on the same government contract, only with me as sole proprietor of my own company, rather than as a sub to another company. I put up the 1,000,000 insurance, and bid the contract and was awarded it. From that point, of course, I wasn't drawing unemployment any longer. I was back to making a good wage, in spite of the IRS's pissy tax treatment of small businesses.

Y'know, I was a fool to take the unemployment I'd paid into all my life. I'd have been far better off to have starved, as I had to declare that unemployment as income without any withholding. That freakin' hurt, and I mean financially, and badly. So badly, in fact, that I felt like I was paying back the unemployment I'd drawn in the form of tax penalties. It was a terrible year, especially for a new femto-business, and it took two years to recover from that hit.

I would've been smarter, I suppose, to remain at the poverty level, just barely getting by, but with an income that was so low that my taxes would've been dinky, but no, I had to go and be a productive member of society.

Well, this verbose tale has a happy ending. Later, the business grew, and a few years later when my darlin' was also laid off from a company she'd worked for for 15 years, we cashed out and moved to the Caribbean. We continue to live simply and are glad to be here.

I don't know exactly how unemployment was intended to work, but if I'd have had the sense to look ahead to the outcome, I'd never have taken a dime. It was my own fault.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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"People are being paid even though they're not working," Kyl said.

Well you can't argue with that. Senetor Kyl is right!
thinkprogress.org...

Apparantly this happens quite often. Just Google "Senetors Sleeping"! LOL!



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 06:17 PM
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From the state I live in.



§ 96-2. Declaration of State public policy.

As a guide to the interpretation and application of this Chapter, the public policy of this State is declared to be as follows: Economic insecurity due to unemployment is a serious menace to the health, morals, and welfare of the people of this State. Involuntary unemployment is therefore a subject of general interest and concern which requires appropriate action by the legislature to prevent its spread and to lighten its burden which now so often falls with crushing force upon the unemployed worker and his family. The achievement of social security requires protection against this greatest hazard of our economic life. This can be provided by encouraging employers to provide more stable employment and by the systematic accumulation of funds during periods of employment to provide benefits for periods of unemployment, thus maintaining purchasing power and limiting the serious social consequences of poor relief assistance. The legislature, therefore, declares that in its considered judgment the public good and the general welfare of the citizens of this State require the enactment of this measure, under the police powers of the State, for the compulsory setting aside of unemployment reserves to be used for the benefit of persons unemployed through no fault of their own.


I wholeheartedly agree with my states reasoning for the purpose of unemployment benefits. The purpose is not to have a total collapse of services overnight. It is necessary protection for the good of everyone to not have instant high levels of people no longer receiving a means to support themselves.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 06:41 PM
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Sorry to say it, HE IS RIGHT.

Our starting pay in the Call Center is $12.50 / hour.... we have had many people decline job offers or try to bargain for much more money because of what they bring in on unemployment & food stamps.

Offer Feedback: I need more than that, I make over $12.00 on unemployment, I have over a year left to collect and I ain't working for 50 cents and hour.

Offer Feedback: My wife and I make over $16.00 with my unemployment and food stamps. I am not taking a job for less.

This is only a couple of examples.



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posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by TrainDispatcher
Community Service for Unemployment



nuff said...


I think there needs to be more training programs, and retraining programs. I would rather see that that unending unemployment.

I have no problem with unemployment.

The extensions, yes, quit them. UI is not welfare.

I would love to see community service programs for unemployed persons, that way when they do find a new job, there will be something to fill in the gap between jobs.

I think businesses should have tax breaks for using unemployed persons in volunteer positions, and allow people to gain valuable on the job training in lieu of UI extensions.

But what do I know. Im just an ant in the army of life.



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