reply to post by edsinger
Like I said , you have accused me of things I never said . You can twist it as much as you like , but at least now everyone knows that you haven't
been truthful in your posts . Kinda brings your credibility into question .
If you manipulate one part of your argument with character assassination , then it diminishes the credibilty of the rest of your argument .
Hell , by all obvious definitions and findings , is the grave . It is not the lake of fire .
Rev.20:14 ... And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire...
This proves hell is not the lake of fire . How absurd would it be to say that 'the lake of fire was cast into the lake of fire' ?
Doesn't make sense at all , does it ? Now , if we suppose that hell is a translation for 'grave' , then we have ...'death and the grave were cast
into the lake of fire' .
Makes sense that way , doesn't it ? "And death and the grave were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death ."
Death : extinction or destruction (Random House Dictionary).
Once cast into the lake of fire , death and the grave are destroyed and become extinct . This is the final DEATH of those two.
After this , there is no more death and there is no more grave .
It is appointed unto man once to die... , everyone has at least one appointment with death . Everyone is going to the grave (hell).
Rev.20:10 ... And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone , where the beast and false prophet are , and shall be
tormented day and night forever and ever .
The devil , the beast , and the false prophet are to be tormented forever .
Read that again and show me where ANYONE , other than those three , are facing eternity in the lake of fire .
Rev.20:15 ... And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire .
Now show me where it says that those people are going to be tormented for eternity in this lake of fire . It doesn't .
Rev.21:8 ... But the fearful , and unbelieving , and the abominable , and murderers , and whoremongers , and sorcerers , and idolaters , and ALL liars
, shall have THEIR PART in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone : which is the second DEATH .
Rev.21:4 ... and there shall be no more death , neither sorrow , nor crying , neither shall there be any more PAIN : for the former things are passed
Doesn't appear to me that those people who were cast into the lake of fire are suffering much... Could it be that they have suffered the second DEATH
? They are NO MORE ?
Matthew 25:41... Then shall he say unto them on the left hand , Depart from me , ye cursed , into evrlasting fire , PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS
Again , the fire is eternal . Nothing here that would indicate these people were facing eternal torment . The devil and his angels are the only ones
to face eternal torment (see above) .
Matthew 25:46 ... And these shall go away into everlasting PUNISHMENT ; but the righteous into life eternal .
This is always my favorite verse for showing the outright lie that the churches are using to scare people into believing that they face an eternity of
torment in the lake of fire . You know what they say ... save the best for last ...
Now , let's study that verse there . It says PUNISHMENT . Young's analytical concordance defines it as 'restraint' . Random House defines
'restrain' as (1) to hold back from action (2) to limit or hamper .
You or someone said it earlier : seperation from God . Restrained from God . THAT is their punishment , NOT eternal suffering . Eternal
destruction/extinction/restraint . Eternal SEPERATION from God . Eternal DEATH .
Let's look at that verse again . On the one hand , you have punishment ., on the other hand , you have " life eternal" .
"...Punishment ; but ...LIFE ETERNAL .
Now , let's turn it around and look at it from another angle . On the one hand , you have life eternal and on the other hand , you have punishment
"...LIFE eternal ; but ... punishment .
It should be clear to anyone that this verse represents two distinct OPPOSITES . On one side , you have the good guys who get eternal life , while on
the other side , the bad guys get everlasting punihment .
This would be clear to anyone whose mind isn't closed .
You've got eternal life versus eternal punishment .The punishment cannot represent a conscious awareness of being punished or tormented , otherwise
it would also be a form of eternal life .
This is not even close to what the verse implies . On the one hand you have X ; on the other hand you have LIFE .
X = eternal death .
We are all going to hell . Enjoy your conspiracy .
[edit on 15-4-2010 by okbmd]
[edit on 15-4-2010 by okbmd]