Originally posted by okbmdHere you are again , trying to prove the bible with the bible .
No, not at all. I did quote some verses to show that at least (2) have never died. Yes I used the Bible in that case, as there are not too many other
sources. But if you want to be picky, I could quote the Book of Enoch and get the same thing and that is not part of the Bible. Would that make you
Originally posted by okbmdYour post proves nothing . The more you reply , the more hopeless you appear .
Hopeless? Not in the slightest, your anger and drivel shows you have no hope.
Originally posted by okbmdAnd still , you have refuted nothing I put forth in my OP .
Oh but I did, the fact that you do not
understand the definition of Hell is not my problem. Quit thinking English and do some digging and get back with me on that.
Originally posted by okbmdIt is people like you that give christians a bad name . It is people like you , who are helplessly DRUGGED ON
JESUS that make it so much easier for the powers-that-be to control and dominate the minds of millions .
Well I am drugged on Jesus I guess
you could say. I have accepted the Grace freely given for me. If you call that drugged then so be it. Control of the minds? That is where you have a
problem with your understanding. It is the mind that causes doubt, it is the heart and soul that brings peace.
Originally posted by okbmdGeeezzz , you're a real work of art .
Why thank you
Originally posted by okbmdAnd by the way , I don't recall saying that 'christ' was a name . Just more dribble on your part in lieu of
a legitimate argument .
I guess you are not reading all the threads? That was a comment for one of the other posts on what Christ means and were the word/name came from. How
about Anointed one, That is a better English interpretation of Messiah, which in Greek is called Christ. Anyhow it wasn’t really directed at you.
Originally posted by okbmdedsinger tells me over and again that he has refuted my original post , and as far as I can tell , he has done
nothing of the sort , but in his next post he tells me once again that he has .
That is because I have. You do not comprehend the definition
of Hell. You purly attach the meaning of Sheol to it as was done in some translations. I have riddled holes in your reasoning and mainly used Tartarus
to do so. Still, I added the Abyss and Lake of fire and yet you still drivel on this grave definition. I will humor you once more and say that if Hell
means only Sheol, then you OP might be somewhat accurate. Since it doesn’t, you have been proven wrong.
Originally posted by okbmdedsinger brought drug usage into the discussion , so yes , I picked it up and ran with it .
you are correct on this one and I owe you an apology. I had you pegged for some teenage weed smoking chump that thought he ran across a definition for
Hell and thought you would have some fun with it. I see that you are a Grandfather so I was wrong about the teen part, and maybe the weed.
Originally posted by okbmdI stand by my original post that we all are going to a place called 'hell' , for the simple fact that
'hell' is the GRAVE .
And once again you are WRONG. HELL DOES NOT EQUAL ONLY GRAVE.
So you will not believe me so I did a simple search, here are the 11 definitions of Hell via dictionary.com (not a biased site)
1. the place or state of punishment of the wicked after death; the abode of evil and condemned spirits; Gehenna or Tartarus.
2. any place or state of torment or misery: They made their father's life a hell on earth.
3. something that causes torment or misery: Having that cut stitched without anesthesia was hell.
4. the powers of evil.
5. the abode of the dead; Sheol or Hades.
6. extreme disorder or confusion; chaos: The children let both dogs into the house, and all hell broke loose.
7. heck1 def. 2.
8. a receptacle into which a tailor throws scraps.
9. Also called hellbox. Printing. a box into which a printer throws discarded type.
10. the utterance of “hell” in swearing or for emphasis.
11. the hell, Informal.
a. (used as an intensifier to express surprise, anger, impatience, etc.): Why the hell can't the trains run on time?
(used sarcastically or ironically to express the opposite of what is being stated): Are you listening to me? The hell you are!
*** This is for all the folks following this thread. As can be seen the two definitions being talked about here are probably, 1 & 5 (the others are
moot in this case). That being said, the OP says that only #5 is the real meaning. I argue that #1 and #5 are related and that #1 is certainly not the
same as #5. #1 is a place of punishment. What is the punishment of #5? Your dead and worm food and that is that. #1 however is far different with
much more dramatic consequences. But there are many more items and in depth studies about this subject, if one wants to look. I will not be going to
#1, I may one day find myself in #5.
Originally posted by okbmdContrary to what you or edsinger may think or continue to imply , I HAVE did my research , otherwise I never
would have had the audacity to make such a bold statement .
Could have fooled me, I did it in about 30 seconds and showed that HELL does not
equal only the Grave. Notice the Sheol and Hades definition for #5. That is quick and dirty, but since the New testament was written in Greek,
1. Classical Mythology.
a. the underworld inhabited by departed souls.
b. the god ruling the underworld; Pluto.
2. (in the Revised Version of the New Testament) the abode or state of the dead.
3. (often lowercase ) hell.
Inhabited by departed souls, how can something dead (buried, worm food etc) inhabit anything? It is the state of the dead in #2 here, (Sheol). So the
OP just conveniently forgets to even address #1.
Originally posted by okbmdIf you find my presentation offensive then I apologize for that . However , I do not apologize for the vigor
and determination you will find in most of my arguments .
Offensive? Well the way you came out firing with the title, then had a quick
“Don’t stone me yet” and then just launch into a one sided rant. Yeah, it was offensive. Maybe it would not have been so if you would have
presented the FULL facts.
Originally posted by okbmdBelieve me when I say that I have had it up to here with people who go around telling others that they are
goimg to HELL because they don't believe the jesus story .
Well, the wages of sin is death. So in that regard maybe so. But I have eternal
life so I don’t have to worry about it really. People that say that to you would be better and more accurate in saying that not believing in Jeshua,
will make ones eternity a mighty awful place and state to be in. The total absence of God.
Originally posted by okbmdThe people who condemn others to this 'HELL' are under the assumption that hell equates with a lake of fire
that burns eternally . IT DOES NOT .
And you have yet to prove this. You only state your interpretation of the word Hell and I have more
than shown that it is biased.
Originally posted by okbmdThat has NOT been refuted by edsinger .
I differ, I have been more than forthcoming and posted plenty
to show my point. You have yet to even come up with an answer to the Tartarus problem with your theory, let alone the abyss.
Originally posted by okbmdHe may be a respected member around 'these parts' . That does NOT automatically make him RIGHT simply
because he can quote the bible .
Ah, now we are getting somewhere (actually I am a very disliked member around here but that is another
story), I quoted the Bible on something else (no death for two people). Refuting the OP, I did not. You have shown your colors, you HATE anything to
do with the Bible. And therefore the goal of your OP has been competed.
Originally posted by okbmdMaybe you should go back yourself and read thru all of my posts , and then tell me that I haven't done my
research before you imply such a thing .
Most of your posts are the same, could you refer me to the one of which you speak in this particular
Originally posted by okbmdThis thread was posted for debate , and debate it has been .
Well not really a debate. A debate is
when two sides argue a point. You have already lost it if it was a debate.
Originally posted by okbmdThe fact is , that 'hell is the grave' has NOT been refuted .
Oh but it has, you just can not see