Another entertainment person comes out-Gay/Bi-sexual: I don't get it

I love how everyone blows up a non issue into something much larger than it really is.

Who gives a rats ass about who's gay or not.

Let me ask everyone a question.

Does some music star or actor that you don't know, never met or ever will meet being gay affect your life in a significant way.

if it doesn't. this is a none issue.

score! anna paquin is BI?
effing RAD.
now i REALLY hope to meet her one day. *daydreams*

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
EVERY single homosexual I've ever known has had some sort of crazy childhood usually involving some sort of sexual abuse or abuse in general.

You obviously don't know many then. Do you? Be honest now.

I don't understand homosexual men at all. Many, not all, are flaming gay and act like women.......yet they are supposed to be attracted to men.

And here is why I believe you to not know many gay men.

I am masculine. And I like masculine men.

So, now your theory gets blown out the window.

I do have problems with homosexuals pushing their agenda on others especially kids as "normal". Mental retardation is not normal. Born without sight is not normal. Born without your legs is not normal. Homsexuality is not "normal".

Wearing glasses is not normal.

Originally posted by anon72
I don't understand why the media makes a big deal about it. Do they get, like a prize or something?

Gay people are taught by society that they should be ashamed and keep their sexual orientation to themselves. A lot of Ricky Martin's fans are women, who have fantasies about having a relationship with him. So, his agents tell him to keep the gay thing under his hat so his female fans will pay the money for his records, etc.

There comes a time when a gay person says, "I'm tired of hiding who I am and PRETENDING to be straight so that society will accept me or buy my records. I'm going to be HONEST now." And then they come out. It's not about making a big deal about it. It's about being able to go out in public with his boyfriend and not having everybody freak out. It about not having to invite a woman to an event so he appears to be straight. It's about not hearing on an interview, "Ricky, is there a special lady in your life? When are you going to get married and have kids"?

It's about presenting to the world who one is - instead of hiding behind a facade of who the world wants them to be.



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reply to post by anon72

Rick Martin was just like George Michael... A very "macho attitude", everybody thought "WOW, this guy must be the king of the women." but then...
Is 'cos situations like that I say: WOMEN, don't pay attention in handsome guys 'cos sooner or later you will got VERY disappointed. Pay attention in UGLY guys. Ugly dudes NEVER betray their maleness and they ALWAYS love women.


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I have no problem with the gays. If people in the entertainment industry want to come out so be it. If they think it will help them sell their products so be it. I for one would never buy a ricky martin product not because he is gay, but because his product is akin to hot garbage juice.

I live near a major city that has an annual pride parade. That's fine, in fact I've been to a few with friends and had a great time. What I don't agree with is that the parade is almost 100% geared towards sexuality. Surely there must be more to the gay lifestyle than parading on a float in a studded mask wearing assless chaps. I've argued this point with the same friends who inform me its 'who we are'.

brill

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Oh brother as if they are a surprise! I knew Anna Paquin was bi ever since I watched TrueBlood. Ricky Martin? LOL No shocker there!

This only solidifies my feeling that homosexuality is part psychological/culture/lifestyle etc. and part genetic. EVERY single homosexual I've ever known has had some sort of crazy childhood usually involving some sort of sexual abuse or abuse in general.

I don't understand homosexual men at all. Many, not all, are flaming gay and act like women.......yet they are supposed to be attracted to men. It makes no sense. To be attracted to another man that acts like a woman says to me you do in fact like women? LOL! Crazy! I'm definitely not one to judge though. The world has a heck of a lot more to worry about than what people are stuffing in their orifices and doing behind closed doors in the privacy of their personal lives. I do have problems with homosexuals pushing their agenda on others especially kids as "normal". Mental retardation is not normal. Born without sight is not normal. Born without your legs is not normal. Homsexuality is not "normal".

You've probably never heard the adage: "Fem in the streets, butch in the sheets".
You seem to be confusing gender and sexuality.
Homosexuality is an issue of sexual orientation or sexuality.
How masculine and feminine people act is an issue of gender. Not all women are feminine or all men masculine. But that doesn't mean they are not happy with their gender. I've seen some very feminine straight men, who were often bullied because they were misread as gay, until they settled down and got married. I've also heard of very masculine men who suddenly changed their gender and became trans-sexual women. They did not change their sexual orientation however, and they effectively became lesbians.

There is an on going debate within the gay movements on how we are represented in the media and events like gay marches. The media usually focuses on scandalous behaviour, so it is usually pictures of the more outrageous drag queens that make it into the press (at least in South Africa). The movement remains inclusive and the outrageous role-playing is seen as carnivalesque and fun. However some conservative gays are really upset about this and say things like: "Being gay has nothing to do with wearing a bra or panty". On the other hand it was the gender non-conformist gay people (who couldn't pass as straight and faced the brunt of discrimination) who led the Stonewall riots and spearheaded the movement. There are also cultural differences: in some cultures only the feminine gay man is regarded as "gay".
Coming out is a very liberating act, and I like the fact that I'm recognizably gay, especially to other gay people. It also means that homophobic people don't have to bother making my acquaintance. As gay men we can play different roles, and what we signify in the streets is not necessarily the role we play to our partners. The post-AIDS ideal has definately moved towards masculinity and the strong healthy body.
If people don't like the scandal mongering, sensationalist media (with fake boobs and bums and the latest Tiger Woods revelation) then they should stop consuming it and turn to Christian media, for example (no gay scandals there - ha, ha). Gays are not the only ones to come out. Several celebrities like MC Hammer and Mr T have come out as reborn Christians.

What "lifestyles" do heterosexual celebrities "promote": Divorce and remarriage are forbidden by Jesus Himself, and yet there is hardly a celibrity across the board that hasn't had at least one? Where is the moral indignation from the moralists about this? Oops, I forgot, thery're not really interested in moral lifestyles for the "children's sake", they just don't like gays, even the odd inoffensive gay man like Ricky Martin.

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OMG ! Whats Next , Nat Berkus coming out and saying he Wished he was straight because Gay People always Break his Heart ? .......




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I understand where your friend is coming from. For complex historical reasons some in the gay culture have felt that sexuality (not necessarily the act itself) is what signifies us as gay. The fear is that without sexuality gay people would simply disappear back into the social closet.
The gay liberation in the 1970s centered in urban enclaves where bathhouses and the former hippie ideal of "free love" were seen as revolutionary activities. When AIDS first became apparent, many gay men were initially sceptical of its motives, and thus opposed safe sex information. They regarded this as an attempt at cultural genocide (similar to how African countries responded with AIDS denialism, and the belief that HIV was a white conspiracy to stop black people from having sex). It was only when people were visibly sick and dying that the bathhouses closed. However, not all gay people would agree with your friends today - I think you can be gay and celibate, or not overtly sexual.
But consider the hypocrisy that gay people see in hetero society every day. Britney, the Kardashians, The Playboy Mansion, Miss USA, all the media and entertainment is a virtual straight sexual parade! Overt hetero- sexuality is pushed into our faces constantly, and much of it borders on soft porn.
For me, especially the leather look you mention reminds us that hetero masculinity has always been directed by gay sensibility. The gay lead singer of Judas Priest, Rob Halford introduced the "ultra-macho" leather look into the quintessentially masculine, "straight", working class heavy metal music. So we've had a lot of our fetish idioms around masculinity co-opted by straight fashion culture, and it's good to remind ourselves of that every now and again. We've made a lot of money for a lot of straight people.

Originally posted by anon72
Anna Paquin: I'm Bisexual

HOT.

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On topic:

Originally posted by grey580
Who gives a rats ass about who's gay or not.

Well stated.

Frankly I couldn't care less about who's sleeping with whom...

unless I happen to be watching them.






TA

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Well, they were a few examples that I thought everyone would be familiar with, not personal role-models, still nice of you to be so pissy about it.



I was trying to clarify why it might be such a big deal that public figures come-out, for them, their families, their fans and the public, people that may have gone through similar situations and can empathise with a famous person they may be a fan of.

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Isn't Anna Paquin still with her True Blood co-star? Wonder if they ever bring in a third? *boom-chicka-mow-mow...*

Ricky Martin's gay? Really? That falls under the "no duh" category...

Maybe they just come out so they don't have to lie anymore....you think? Probably as simple as that really...