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1/3rd of World Cant Access BBC but ATS allowed

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posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 10:17 PM
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With the recent public debate, and news on China's Firewall and blocking of Google, YouTube, MySpace et al I find the attempt to access sites from within China I did earlier very strange.



Tested From: Beijing, China
Tested At: 2010-04-01
21:37:50 (GMT -04:00)
URL Tested: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Resolved As: 75.126.76.151
Status: OK
Response Time: 2.641 sec
DNS: 0.191 sec
Connect: 0.244 sec
Redirect: 0.000 sec
First Byte: 0.246 sec
Last Byte: 1.959 sec
Size: 59567 bytes


So ATS domains are totally available to the chinese population, (which I think is a good thing) However in the same country the list of banned/blocked domains includes sites such as the BBC, Flickr etc etc.

Now someone who many would think is more likely to be supported by the Chinese, as his rants Alex Jones is blocked:



Tested From: Beijing, China
Tested At: 2010-04-01
21:47:16 (GMT -04:00)
URL Tested: www.infowars.com...
Resolved As: 208.111.148.6
Status: couldn't connect to host
Response Time: 1.790 sec
DNS: 1.790 sec
Connect: 0.000 sec
Redirect: 0.000 sec
First Byte: 0.000 sec
Last Byte: 0.000 sec
Size: 0 bytes


Most of the conspiracy or alternative sites in the world are not accessable from within China, never mind BBC, etc...

That would indicate the Chinese totalitarian state does not see any content, discussions on ATS as threatening, even though it is the largests such site in the world, but they do so for most MSM outlets.

I find this very interesting, and even a conspiracy could be bourne from such findings, but just to open up this information for discussion and other Members views on why this would be. Especially considering the recent labelling of conspiracy theorists as "nutjobs" etc in the MSM.

Kind Regards,

Elf.




posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 10:37 PM
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Hmm...Maybe China has seen my posts and know that they are surrounded by the Zionist Empire.




posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 11:01 PM
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Whoa that is completely amazing.

Is there any way for you to double check to make sure?

This just doesn't seem right.

We talk about China all the time around here...why would they let their people read OUR opinions???




posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 11:04 PM
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Well if that is not conclusive proof that ATS is a CIA cointelpro operation implemented by the powers that be I don't know what is!

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posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by Gools
Well if that is not conclusive proof that ATS is a CIA cointelpro operation implemented by the powers that be I don't know what is!

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You said it first, does that make you the PR arm of the conspiracy?



posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 11:54 PM
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BBC is not blocked in China, and infowars is NOT blocked in China, neither are most other conspiracy websites like Camelot ATS etc, probably because these conspiracy websites are not as important and significant as the members and readers tend to think.

Although Youtube and the like are blocked, you will be surprised how few websites outside China are blocked.

what are the most blocked categories of websites? Sexual and pornographic sites. Hurray.

then comes all the websites from Taiwan and HK based forums.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 01:07 AM
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Laughs much


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Originally posted by yiersan
BBC is not blocked in China,


BBC has been blocked since about 2005 look HERE



and infowars is NOT blocked in China,


As my above DNS resolution and access of the sites from within China, that involves downloading ALL the HTML or attempting to within china shows, last night (GMT) I could access ATS but not InfoWars, look at my first post its proven im sorry!



neither are most other conspiracy websites like Camelot ATS etc, probably because these conspiracy websites are not as important and significant as the members and readers tend to think.


They are blocked give me an Site and I will show you.

And if these sites are not important to the Chinese why do they block some of them?

And why have they got 10,000's and many more paid bloggers who are allowed to access it, but in government psy Op installations, paid to blog. Ive outed one or two on this site over the years so carefull eh, you dont fool me.



Although Youtube and the like are blocked, you will be surprised how few websites outside China are blocked.


Infact Im suprised by how many are blocked, and the search terms to. im more suprised that ATS is ok but Flickr is not!

Lets look at more real world research and not a bloggers effort to distract



Technology known as "the Great Firewall" blocks web sites on an array of sensitive topics (democracy, for instance), while tens of thousands of government monitors and citizen volunteers regularly sweep through blogs, chat forums, and even e-mail to ensure nothing challenges the country's self-styled "harmonious society." Together this massive network of Internet nannying is imperiously called "the Golden Shield Project." Thousands of websites (many porn-related) are blocked outright, and destinations such as YouTube, Flickr and Wikipedia are heavily restricted. Web users in Internet cafes — where the vast majority of Chinese go online — must supply personal information in order to sign on
Time



what are the most blocked categories of websites? Sexual and pornographic sites. Hurray.


Infact about 20% of sites blocked by China are Porn, the rest news, politics, issues with Tibet etc and Photographs.

Not many people know if you do a search on any type of search engine (thats allowed) or on a external webpage with a search function, words like "Torture" "Hitler" etc always return a negative result, that is 0.



then comes all the websites from Taiwan and HK based forums.


Well yes all of the taiwanese sites are blocked I think, and 90 odd percent of Honk Kong sites are.

There is more info for you and others :

Some Words Blocked on all Chinese Internet

This is interesting




Once so connected, the authors attempted to access approximately two hundred thousand web sites. The authors tracked 19,032 web sites that were inaccessible from China on multiple occasions while remaining accessible from the United States. Such sites contained information about news, politics, health, commerce, and entertainment. See highlights of blocked pages. The authors conclude (1) that the Chinese government maintains an active interest in preventing users from viewing certain web content, both sexually explicit and non-sexually explicit; (2) that it has managed to configure overlapping nationwide systems to effectively -- if at times irregularly -- block such content from users who do not regularly seek to circumvent such blocking; and (3) that such blocking systems are becoming more refined even as they are likely more labor- and technology-intensive to maintain than cruder predecessors.
Harvard University Law Dept (cyber) Empirical Analysis of Chinese Internet Blocking

The above is from 2002, I cant even imagine the capabilities now.

It is interesting how the Authorities there seem to have a evolving and shifting policy in regard to this, as one journalist found out last year:



At a purely technical level, it makes it harder to reverse-engineer the firewall's filters. One day, you can reach all pages at the BBC. The next day they're blocked. If you're trying to game out the system, you're stymied. And at a social level, it makes it hard for people to be sure that they're ever operating in a truly safe zone, since the rules of enforcement might shift tomorrow.
NetWorkWorld

I just recheked ATS still available, BBC.co.uk is not but BBC.com is! go figure lol.

Alex Jones is still obviously an raving NeoConservative anti Chinese Hater as I dont think he has had access before 2004, when infowars was first banned/blocked.

Kind Regards,

Elf








[edit on 2-4-2010 by MischeviousElf]



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 01:29 AM
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Hahaha that is interesting, but I don't think the Chinese government is too concerned with it's citizens "finding out" that CERN is actually a interdimensional stargate or that Obama is the anti-christ.


If anything, I think if you totalled the information on ATS, there's more criticism of the western establishment than promotion, so why not eh? It's like they can point to ATS and say "look, even they hate it over there!" lol



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 01:31 AM
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well, last time I checked I am very much in China, and I have no difficulties without any proxies visiting BBC.co.uk and Infowars.com . Don't know what you use to test, maybe you can ask a friend in China to test this for u.
projectcamelotportal.com...



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 01:56 AM
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I know you are in China as I said in my previous post.

10,000's of people can access the full internet in China as I said, and as the links show. But they are all behind State computers, and paid bloggers.

I wont tell you what I used, just to say that all of ATS front page was downloaded in full to somewhere in Bejing and it was ok.

InfoWars and BBC.co.uk and all the other information I provided of blocked names and domains wont. There is no data at all and the famous Gate Icon comes on the screeen.

Happy blogging, I am not having a go at China in This thread I just find it amazing that this site is allowed and the most mundane are not.

It must be frustrating for our fellow Chinese Atsers to not be able to access the links on some of the threads.

As your chinese I am sure we will all be happy if you could give us any info you have on the current phone calls between your leader and Obama on the Iran issue.

Why dont you use this source to do a thread, your input would be very much appreciated! US & Chinese Leaders Have Phone Call Over Iran

Indeed any input from that side of the world on what the Chinese think about the current Mid East issues would be refreshing, enlightening, and interesting.

Kind Regards,

Elf



[edit on 2-4-2010 by MischeviousElf]



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 02:46 AM
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I have no hard feelings for your misplaced accusations, I just think it would be tiresome to be so paranoid all the time. I just came to this thread to be helpful and let you know that infowars, prisonplanet, projectcamelet etc are also not blocked despite whatever claim or distant software shows you. And told you what by my own experiences what are really blocked and not, anything with .com.hk is not blocked for example, only the forums,blogs and Apple Daily, which are hardly 90% of HK websites.

Reality can be cruel sometimes, especially when it does not concur with your expected outcome.

Just a piece of advice: One day either yourself or someone you do trust go to China for a holiday, just test the exact same websites again and maybe your "sophisticated software" ain't what it seems. And I surely hope you did not waste any penny on it.


Ps. some interesting stuff you can test all what you want:
Bloomberg homepage is not blocked, but the articles are blocked regardless of the topic.
Fox news, CNN, Telegraph are not blocked and fully accessible.

Pss. I do guess there are much more sexual and pornographic websites on the Internet than "news portals". Especially when China just announced over 140,000 WAP porno sites are blocked.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 02:52 AM
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It is simple, sites like ATS can be used to push Chinese agendas and propaganda. Make no mistake, they will use and exploit ATS when and if they want to, they'd be fools to block this site!



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
That would indicate the Chinese totalitarian state does not see any content, discussions on ATS as threatening, even though it is the largests such site in the world, but they do so for most MSM outlets.


Elf.


Is not much of the discussion on ATS about how evil the US government is?
Why would the Chinese have any problem with that?
They, and the Russians, and the Iranians, might even feed in a few suggestions.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 02:55 AM
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Well if you think about it what do they gain from blocking ATS. If they block it then more people around the world will come here when they here of the site. TPTB certainly don't want that.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 03:09 AM
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maybe because chinese pop doesnt access this website

duuuhh



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 05:13 AM
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Hello from a windy, windy Beijing.

I am eating fried dumplings, listening to 70's gold, and checking out ATS; which is something I do everyday.

Now, as to why ATS is given a pass over here, I think it is simply this:

ATS is compossed mostly of the English written word -- and almost everyone in China can't read, write, or speak English -- therefore, whatever mind-shattering truth we may discuss here on a daily basis will simply have no chance to be read by the average Chinese citizen.

So, the Chinese government simply does not care about what we...

Just a second, someones knocking on my door.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 05:23 AM
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I'm sure bobsfishstore.com is allowed in china too, why would they care about ATS? It's mostly rubbish.



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 05:29 AM
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So true, my friend, so true, great satire.

However the reality is the English words are filtered, infact if you read in depth one of the links on my OP Post you will see they cover ever language that has internet, so if its "Torture" one of the banned words, then every variation of it in the world that is on the web is filtered.

Anyhow when I did the checks earlier, or rather when a computer in Bejing attempted to connect as the results I posted show it was apparently very very humid and still there! people are getting difficulties sleeping as the pollution and smog, with moist air....

Kind Regards,

Elf



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 05:36 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what looking glass or other method did you use to run this little test of yours ?

Curious minds like to know these things...



posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by yiersan
 



It must be frustrating for our fellow Chinese Atsers to not be able to access the links on some of the threads.


[edit on 2-4-2010 by MischeviousElf]


Ohhhh, yes, indeed.

All those great threads that have Youtube links: univac500 sees not a one.

But that's the brilliant lunacy of The Chinese Masters. If some BIG thing has a TINY problem (ie: the microscopic percentage of Tibet videos on Youtube) don't put your best minds to use in creating a program that simply removes the Tibet material from Youtube....nooooo, that would be crazy.
Instead, just eradicate ALL of Youtube for everyone!

Hmmmm.

Or maybe it was my constant viewing of old Starsky And Hutch episodes that caused China to pull the Youtube plug???

Zebra Three, out.



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