Obama to Crush Economy with Massive CO2 Taxes as Early as Next Week

Obama to Crush Economy with Massive CO2 Taxes as Early as Next Week

canadafreepress.com

Abandoning all loyalty to the democratic processes this nation holds dear, President Obama has made the decision that getting energy tax legislation through Congress with the approval of the American people is just too much of a pain to bother with. Instead he will have the EPA declare as early as next week that CO2 is a dangerous global warming gas and will start regulating its emissions immediately.

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Great job Obama!

trying to raise taxes based on screwed up information.

Get ready to start giving Uncle Sam 3x more money in electricity taxes! Not only would this devastate the economy even more. it will quell any kind of rebound that was possible. this pretty much would kill any kind of recovery we might of had.

what are your thoughts on this guys?

canadafreepress.com
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Cap and tax will make taxes necessarily sky rocket. Hmmm I guess we don't have record unemployment among other problems.

I don't know all the details about Obama and how his decisions are affecting America short term or long term so I cannot make an educated comment myself.

However, I have spoken to two Americans on the subject recently.

If I had to label them politically, they would be a mid lefty and a mid righty.

They both said the same thing.

Obama is doing what the pundits and the public alike have been suggesting a President should do for a long time:

Make some tough decisions regardless of the political ramifications and the consequences these have on the next elections. He is going to get stuff done regardless of the opinions polls.

They also said that not every decision Obama has made is 100% the right one but he is working his ass off and actually making and implementing policy decisions. A prime example is the health care bill. Most betting people would have had very long odds on the bill being passed but he got it done.

Both of these Americans, regardless of if the voted for him in the primary's or the general elections or not, give him respect for being a leader and not a lame duck.

On the flip side, they also both said that the American public has no ability to think long term. Because Obama's decisions may have a negative effects, perceived or actual, in the short term, they both agreed that he is screwed for the next election.

Any other Americans out there care to remark on these opinions?

[edit on 1/4/10 by Horza]

Just the next step in the systematic destruction of this country. TPTB can't have their world government with a superpower still remaining. It's going to be a rough next few years.

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I think the comment "atleast hes doing something and implementing policies" is a reckless statement

And exactly the reason we are in the position we are in, this huge need for "change" led people to slaughter, just to vote for someone DIFFERENT.

Now weve got this clown in the office who is definitely implimenting policy and determined on the financial breakdown of this country.

What a lousy piece of s***. Under the guise of 'climate change' legislation America, and later the world will be forced towards a tyrannical global nanny state. But in the short term it will just screw all of the middle class and make the super-wealthy more money and give them more power.

Historically the only successful revolts were done by the middle class. It makes sense that the goal of the people in power would be to destroy it. Its also backed up by evidence. In 1938 a leader of the bolsheviks was interrogated by Stalin's police, this leader claimed to be one of 'them'. What is referred to now variously as the illuminati, global elites, powers that be, etc. He told them ironically freemasonry was used to help 'them' take over, however the success of that takeover meant the suicide of masonry as an organization and the literal suicide of masonry's leaders.
The document is referred to as the red symphony, I linked an explanation with excerpts from the document below.
Link

This 'global warming', and 'climate change' plans are all about money and consolidation of power(specifically it will be instrumental in destroying the middle class and setting up the framework for world government). It has nothing to do with stopping environmental destruction. The government framework (IMO) that they set up through this legislation will be like the league of nations was to the united nations. They will say it failed because it wasn't powerful enough, and they will make a more powerful world government later.

[edit on 1-4-2010 by time91]

reply to post by Horza


Well that's good enough for me! As long as your two friends say so!

No need to bother asking the rest of the country.
Besides, the government doesn't care what the slaves think anyway!

Great news! Thanks!

reply to post by Horza


Yes.

In order to ever see this theoretical 'long term' we first have to survive the short term.

And if we can or not seems to be our primary concern. Sometimes, I doubt it.





[edit on 1-4-2010 by Clark Savage Jr.]

reply to post by Horza


yes, i'll remark on those opinions.

i'm conservative, and i believe in a mostly free market system. (some government control is nessisarry) it seems that those two people are saying "we don't care what you do, as long as you do something", and that is very dangerous.

obama promised to be transparent, but we've gotten the opposite from him and congress. he gives good speeches, but is a bad president.

would you have followed Custard on his last stand if he promised to buy the first round of drinks after the win? idk, but it sounds like the people you talked to would have followed him to their death.

Obama is a man of change. He is quite the talker too.

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yea, change you can believe in!

change in society VIA economic slavery. woot change!

I wouldn't worry to much about it, just because they announce that they are going to start regulating CO2 doesn't mean its going to happen the day after. It is going to take them a year or two to get everything set up and by that time it will be challenged in court and the EPA will be stripped of its power to regulate CO2.

Of course it sucks that they are even doing it this way, but I guess that is what we get for, "vote for the other guy" knee jerk reactions.

reply to post by Horza


" On the flip side, they also both said that the American public has no ability to think long term. "

That is quite presumptuous of both these people you talked to in thinking that the American Public as a Whole are somehow unable to think long term when it comes to the running of this Nation . I guess that might be true though considering most people in the U.S. today seem to be Dead fron the Neck Up when it comes even to managing their own Personal Lives let alone the decisions that effect an entire Nations future . If some here feel they would gladly Except a " Nanny State " in return for a False Sense of Security , then maybe it's time for those who would have that type of mind set to just move to another Country that would gladly accomidate them because last time I checked , we are still a Constitutional Republic where the People Rule , and not a Socialistic Democracy where we just Except what is Allowed to us by Leadership .

You know, regardless of whether or not CO2 is causing Global Warming, it is having a serious effect on our environment. Especially in the acidification of the oceans:

The Southern Ocean may be 30 years closer to a tipping point for ocean acidification than previously believed, putting sea life at risk, according to research published in this week's Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.

Analyzing seasonal changes in pH and the concentration of carbonate in the Southern Ocean, scientists from the University of New South Wales (UNSW) and CSIRO found that seasonal swings will amplify the effects of carbon dioxide emissions on ocean acidity, speeding up ocean acidification by 30 years relative to previous estimates.

The acceleration of acidification — which reduces the availability of carbonate ions used by calcifying organisms to form calcium carbonate shells — could have significant impacts on marine life. In particular, pteropods, a type of plankton that makes up an important part of the Antarctic food chain, will be challenged by increasingly acidic conditions.

Half the worlds O2 is generated by the plankton that is being killed off via this increase in the PH levels of the oceans:

Phytoplankton need two things for photosynthesis and thus their survival: energy from the sun and nutrients from the water. Phytoplankton absorb both across their cell walls.
In the process of photosynthesis, phytoplankton release oxygen into the water. Half of the world's oxygen is produced via phytoplankton photosynthesis. The other half is produced via photosynthesis on land by trees, shrubs, grasses, and other plants.

Since the world CO2 levels are rising, and the O2 levels are dropping, you will eventually reach a point where all life as we know it is unsustainable. This is just one effect of the increasing levels of Co2. There are other effects that are just as real, observable, and harmful.

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


If you believe in a free market system, then you should believe in cap and trade. Cap and trade has a track record of being a highly efficient method of solving pollution problems because it employs market mechanisms.

If it is done right, cap and trade will not create new costs, it will just shift existing costs away from the American tax payer and onto those who pollute the most. (In econmists' parlance, cap and trade will eliminate the externalities of carbon pollution.) As is, all of America is paying for its high carbon life style.

We spent billions of dollars fighting wars over oil and we will continue to spend billions more. We will spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities that have been devastated by hurricanes and floods egged on by global warming. Those that are most responsible for these costs should pay them via carbon taxes, rather than having all Americans foot the bill in the form of budget deficits or higher taxes.

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by Bob Sholtz

 

If you believe in a free market system, then you should believe in cap and trade. Cap and trade has a track record of being a highly efficient method of solving pollution problems because it employs market mechanisms.

If it is done right, cap and trade will not create new costs, it will just shift existing costs away from the American tax payer and onto those who pollute the most. (In econmists' parlance, cap and trade will eliminate the externalities of carbon pollution.) As is, all of America is paying for its high carbon life style.

We spent billions of dollars fighting wars over oil and we will continue to spend billions more. We will spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities that have been devastated by hurricanes and floods egged on by global warming. Those that are most responsible for these costs should pay them via carbon taxes, rather than having all Americans foot the bill in the form of budget deficits or higher taxes.

Uhhh, you don't know much about economics do you? Companies don't pay taxes, they pass them on to the consumer. Cap and Trade is a horrible plan, that is why all the countries that have already implemented it, are scrambling to try to get rid of it.

Cap and trade is nothing but a redistribution of wealth scheme.

reply to post by Light of Night


How does cap and trade redistribute wealth orther than taxing polluters? If you have read any of the economic literature, you would know that economists love cap and trade schemes. They have praised its effectiveness in reducing sulfur dioxide emissions.

You are right in that there is much debate as to who really pays taxes. Nobody knows to what extent businesses pass on taxes to consumers. However, this is not to say that consumers should be let off the hook.

Let us be blunt. America's problems with foreign oil dependence and pollution are just as much the fault of the average American as they are the fault of oil company executives. Many Americans have made selfish choices when it comes to their cars and lifestyle. Those people should have to pay for those choices.

If you want to drive a huge pick up truck because you think "trucks are for chix" that is fine. You should just be the one that picks up the tab for the wars we have to fight to feed your monstrous pickup and you should be the one that picks up the tab for rebuilding cities after hurricanes and other disasters that have been egged on by global warming.

[edit on 1-4-2010 by hotpinkurinalmint]

There are no laws that allow the EPA to tax anyone.
They can only fine people /companies and if were large fines it would end up in court for the next 20 years.

When i was in the mining business i had to deal with the EPA.
so i know what they can and cannot do.

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The Housing market is going to take a new spike. With the new green police and taxes, this means if you live or own a house that was built before 1978, to do any renovations, it will require a specail EPA certified work crew to come in and do the job, thus they will be able to charge anything that they want for it. So this is not a good thing as the EPA should never have the ability to enforce, just advise for regulation. Obama just gave them the authority and power.