Obama Takes A Jab At Opponents of HC Bill

Originally posted by bowlbyville
reply to post by skunknuts

 

Ah yes, the Saul Alinsky style of debating - demonize your opponent. All the best to you too!

You make Glen Beck so proud. You do a great job of remembering the names he tells you to repeat.

Besides, what are you even talking about? Teabaggers aren't the only ones who can speak forcefully. Just because I can respond to tripe in a coherent manner doesn't make me the boogey man Glen Beck warned you of....or does it???

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 4/1/2010 by skunknuts]

reply to post by bowlbyville


Why don't you look up Jude Wanniski and the Two Santa Claus Theory....after reading this....ask yourself why Beck doesn't talk about it....

Originally posted by Divinorumus
What also puzzles me about this health care reform is that obama knew that he would be alienating a whole lot of people with passage of this bill, enough to cost him a second term. Now, why on Earth would a SMART politician do THAT in his first term? He should have waited until his second term before destroying his political career. I'm still trying to come up with a possible logical explanation why he did this now. Certainly he didn't do it to SAVE us money or to promote and enhance his political career.

One idea that comes to mind is that he did this so that NEXT they can start dictating to us additional lifestyle changes. You know this health care reform won't fly here in america, where 1/3rd of our population are obese and obviously do not give a damn about their own health, and most of the rest do not exercise. Later he could call for smoking to be banned, and if not, THAT could bankrupt health care reform. After that, promiscuous lifestyles based around loose morals would have to be banned, we can't afford to care for everyone if everyone keeps getting STDs on their thingies. Unhealthy diets of course would have to be prohibited. And, certainly we could get health care costs under control if everyone were required to exercise every day and pass a physical fitness test every year. All of this could lead to greater government control of our personal lives and what services could be afforded and not be afforded for us. You certainly don't want to toss good money after bad, thus people that don't care about their health (i.e. they are obese and eat bad and don't exercise) a new heart when they will eventually need one, that's just stupid.

It sure boggles my mind that the first thing this guy did after taking office was to begin destroying his political career. Even those that support this right now will be pissed with him when they are eventually affected by the tremendous cost all of this will have upon all of us. It just doesn't make any sense.

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Your conjecture filled scary story is fear-based, hackneyed, unoriginal, and has no basis in reality (let me guess, you are a proud 'ditto-head.').

It is conservatives like Fred Phelps, Vitter, Sanford, Limbaugh, Beck, Haggard, Nixon (many hypocritical pill popping, closeted homosexual, or womanizing demogouges) that get up in people's personal business, be it relationships, marriage, religion, marijuana, poker, and on and on....Somehow having guaranteed access to decent healthcare just doesn't feel like an abomination and destruction of any rights. Is it really in the bill of rights that I have the right to not afford healthcare??

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 4/1/2010 by skunknuts]

Originally posted by skunknuts
Is it really in the bill of rights that I have the right to not afford healthcare??

Is it really in the bill of rights that I have to work to pay for someone else's cost of living expenses and the consequences of their personal lifestyle choices?

If you want me to pay for medical bills, then I think I should have a right to tell you what to eat and not to eat and how much to exercise and more!

Health care is not a right. ANYTHING that places a DEMAND upon another can not be a right. THAT is called involuntary servitude and it is unconstitutional.

Leave me alone, keep your fingers out of my wallet, and if you have a problem with the medical establishment, you go take that up with them and leave me out of your needy needs and wanty wants and list of available solutions. I am not your slave or anyone else's slave. I'm sure you would not me dictating your lifestyle choices and finances either. You can't afford your doctor bills, sell your toys, sell your computer, get rid of your internet access, and more. You pay YOUR bills before you buy unnecessary toys. I am not your solution to affordable medical care. I and my resources do not belong to you.

Gosh, the gall of some people.

Originally posted by Divinorumus

Originally posted by skunknuts
Is it really in the bill of rights that I have the right to not afford healthcare??

Is it really in the bill of rights that I have to work to pay for someone else's cost of living expenses and the consequences of their personal lifestyle choices?

If you want me to pay for medical bills, then I think I should have a right to tell you what to eat and not to eat and how much to exercise and more!

Health care is not a right. ANYTHING that places a DEMAND upon another can not be a right. THAT is called involuntary servitude and it is unconstitutional.

Leave me alone, keep your fingers out of my wallet, and if you have a problem with the medical establishment, you go take that up with them and leave me out of your needy needs and wanty wants and list of available solutions. I am not your slave or anyone else's slave.

I'm sure you would not me dictating your lifestyle choices and finances either. You can't afford your doctor bills, sell your toys, sell your computer, get rid of your internet access, and more. You pay YOUR bills before you buy unnecessary toys. I am not your solution to affordable medical care. I and my resources do not belong to you.

Gosh, the gall of some people.

It sounds like you would be happier living in a country like Afghanistan, for instance. We live in a civilized society and most of us are happy with the government services that we all pay into. Unless you are in the top 1% of wage earners, your self-richeous me better than my cohorts attitude isn't even in the basest form in your own self-interest. I sure as hell hope you aren't one of the numerous teabaggers that can afford to go galavanting all over your little bus tours thanks to welfare and government provided single-payer health insurance.

Get over yourself. We have elections in this country, and by many millions of votes, the people said they want to progress as a nation. That's the way it works. A few months out of power for the conservatives does not mean anything untoward is happening just because this one time you didn't get your selfish corporatist way.

You think I wanted my tax dollars to be shipped to the wealthiest of the wealthy? Towards bullcrap wars, and a sickening medicare part d plan that was welfare for the pharma industry? Is Warren Buffet lying when he says his tax rate is lower than that of his secretary? You think that is fair?

You people act like such spoiled brats. Elections have consequences, and it's damn good for you to feel a little bit of what the MAJORITY of people felt in 2000. The only difference is that Obama won legitimately, with a majority of votes. Stop being a sore loser, and if you don't like it, move to Costa Rica with Rush and enjoy your actually socialized medicine. Oh yeah, that's right, you equate an actual government doing things for, of, and by the people with the boogie man of socialism, so like I said, go check-out Afghanistan and see how your survival of the fittest principles work out for ya.

Best,
Skunknuts

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Well, to be honest with you, this HC reform crap won't be costing me a dime. Since I retired 14 years ago at 39 years old, and only work a few weeks a year to help out when requested to do so, and that income is not enough to require me to file a tax return, there really is no way they can enforce this crap upon me. And, since I exist mostly upon a small trust fund which sends me a check once a year (which the government can't touch) and some savings have I tucked away in a few unique investments, there will be no way they can penalize and collect from me or force me to participate.

In fact, because my earned income is so low, I'll likely qualify for free health care, and YOU will be the one paying for me .. if I so choose to FORCE you to do so by getting on this commie health care bandwagon, ha. You see, while I am totally against this crap, I am one of those people that could benefit the most from this .. if I were an immoral creep that believes I have a right to FORCE YOU to pay for all my health care costs. I'm not against this crap because I'm already covered, I certainly could use this for myself and benefit greatly from it, but that's just not my style, I do not want to be a leech upon society and I don't want to think of myself as imposing involuntary servitude upon another human being on earth.

When I say that nobody has a right to make me pay their personal medical expensive, that also implies that I should not have that right either.

It is pretty ironic that right wingers are pretty concerned about the government getting involved with their "personal business."

Why? Because they're the same folks who want the government to outlaw abortion and gay marriage.

Classy folks.