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Originally posted by MysterE
Look into Ed Ledskalnin (maybe spelled wrong) who built Coral Castle.
Originally posted by indigothefish
it seems every single web site and increasingly every BOOK that claims to have 'the answer' to my search ends up being just another "here are the plans, just give us your credit card number!"
i know how scams work, and i am avoiding them, i understand electrical diagrams and have enough knowledge to look at them and decide if they are promising or not, but that is impossible when there are 1 billion sources of information that CLAIM to have good plans b ut will not allow you to view them until you've already purchased them
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Originally posted by chiron613
You should become suspicious any time you see something like "no consumable resources", because that is almost 100% certainly a crock.
Generally I agree but I've seen a device run with no consumable resources, it's a clock my dad got after 25 years with his employer to thank him for the long service.
The clock runs perpetually with no obvious power input. But it's not a perpetual motion machine according to the laws of physics, though it looks like one, for practical purposes it seems like it.
It's something like this one:
Atmos is the brand name of a mechanical clock manufactured by Jaeger-LeCoultre in Switzerland which doesn't need to be wound. It gets the energy it needs to run from small temperature changes and atmospheric pressure changes in the environment, and can run for years without human intervention.
Indirectly the power source is the sun, but the clock can run indoors just fine without ever being exposed to the sun so that's why it appears to be a perpetual motion machine.
When you look at the way it works though, you couldn't generate much power this way:
Its power source is a hermetically sealed capsule containing a mixture of gas and liquid ethyl chloride, which expands into an expansion chamber as the temperature rises, compressing a spiral spring; with a fall in temperature the gas condenses and the spring slackens. This motion constantly winds the mainspring. A temperature variation of only one degree in the range between 15 and 30 degrees Celsius, or a pressure variation of 3 mmHg, is sufficient for two days' operation.
So that clock will pretty much run as long as the sun is still heating the Earth, or until it has a mechanical failure.
DreamerOracle, regarding the hummingbird motor, yes it's a scam.
That video is pretty sad, for most of it the guy seems like a kid playing with magnets for the first time going "ooooh, aahhh look at that!" Finally he shows a generator at the very end. While I've never seen one of his generators except in the video, I believe he possibly CAN get more output than input as he claims, but only for a short time. Why?
His claim that the energy stored in the permanent magnets is "unlimited" is false. As long as you don't try to do too much work with the magnets they might seem to a casual observer like they don't lose their magnetism. But try to extract energy from them in a generator and you'll find out that they can lose some of their magnetism, that's why you can get more power out than in briefly. But once the magnets get weaker, you're done, that's it. That's why it's a fraud, because he implies by saying the magnets have unlimited power that they won't get weaker, but they do get weaker because they aren't an unlimited source of energy.
Don't take my word for it, I wouldn't even waste my money or my time building one of these, but you should ask the people that HAVE been building these permanent magnet free energy generators for decades, none of them ever work past the point where you run down the magnets, or for various other reasons. I think one of the ATS moderators has built some of them, I forget his name, but I don't think he's got any lasting results either.
If you want to try it, it's your time and money to spend, and you might learn something from it. But don't say we didn't warn you what the outcome would be in advance, it will obey the laws of physics, which means unfortunately that you don't get something for nothing.
History of perpetual motion machines
And Dennis Lee is mentioned in the long list of experiments proving that the laws of physics do in fact hold true (in other words, failed perpetual motion and free energy machines):
Since 1988, Dennis Lee has promised to demonstrate free electricity. Lee claims possession of a Fischer engine, a Counter Rotating Device (CRD) device, and an overunity motor. Lee has a mixture of religious and extremist political beliefs. Lee has invested in John Searl's endeavors, Stanley Meyer's endeavors, and, in 2001, joined Paul Pantone in a US state tour. Tom Napier believes Lee's device may have resurrected Gamgee's designs (1881).
The history of perpetual motion machines dates back to the Middle Ages. For millennia, it was not clear whether perpetual motion devices were possible or not, but the development of modern thermodynamics has indicated that they are impossible. Despite this, many attempts have been made to construct a perpetual motion machine. Modern designers and proponents often use other terms, such as over unity, to describe their inventions.
Remember Einstein's definition of insanity, trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. This has been going on for over 200 years, and it was understandable before we had thermodynamics and other well-established physics, but it seems like the only people still trying to use the already proven false methods, are those who don't understand the science.
That doesn't mean I think a "perpetual motion machine" of sorts is impossible, like the example of the clock I gave. But it doesn't violate the laws of physics so it's possible. It's the machines that violate the laws of physics you can save your time and money by not building them, enough people have tried before you to prove the physics true. And Dennis Lee's machines fall into that category.
Originally posted by beebs
Using a permanent magnetic field to generate rotation.
No free energy fringe concepts are needed to suggest that it should work if we build it right. The permanent magnetic field(or permanent until the magnet runs out of 'juice') is provided in most of the concepts by permanent rare earth magnets.
In no way does this violate laws of physics...
Originally posted by trueperspective
BUT be warned, their designs are VERY technical and hard to obtain the parts. VERY WORTH READING UP ON.
Here is the link to the table of contents: www.free-energy-info.co.uk...
Everyone please check it out and tell me what you think
As a scientific concept, the existence of zero point energy is not controversial although the ability to harness it is. In particular, perpetual motion machines and other power generating devices supposedly based on zero point energy are highly controversial and, in many cases, in violation of some of the fundamental laws of physics. No device claimed to operate using zero point energy has been demonstrated to operate as claimed. No plausible description of a device drawing useful power from a source of zero point energy has been given. Thus, current claims to zero point energy-based power generation systems currently have the status of pseudoscience or constitute outright fraud.
The discovery of zero point energy did not alter the implausibility of perpetual motion machines. Much attention has been given to reputable science suggesting that zero point energy is infinite, but zero point energy is a minimum energy below which a thermodynamic system can never go, thus none of this energy can be withdrawn without altering the system to a different form in which the system has a lower zero point energy.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
However what you fail to mention, is that if you want to keep the device running, you have to "recharge the juice" in the magnets, that is restore their magnetic field.
Once you take that factor into account, then the device is ridiculously inefficient and no longer "over unity", and any claim that it's over unity after accounting for the energy required to "recharge" the magnets would be a violation of the laws of physics.
Originally posted by Funk bunyip
Also, i honestly mean no offence, but if possible, could the OP edit the typo in the thread title so as to spell "magnetic" correctly? It helps.