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Originally posted by Fromabove
With the Constitution being the founding ordinance and there not being an non-secession clause expressly written therein, I would assume the founders left the door open for such remedies. The preamble saying in order to form a "more perfect union" to me says that they will be parties to a compact creating a union of states to be called the "Union"and not the transformation into a single entity, hence the words "The United States of America" and not just "America". We are a collection of unified States within the framework of a contract called the Constitution.
Originally posted by Myendica
If all 50 states governors seceded and then signed a treaty, and then re-wrote the constitution, who could stop them?
Originally posted by Myendica
reply to post by atreides
"reality?", doesn't complete a thought technically. could you elaborate what your intentions of "reality?" is? that is a very reasonable beginning to an idea.
edit- "that" = the quote of mine you quoted
[edit on 1-4-2010 by Myendica]
Originally posted by emsed1
It is illegal for any state to secede from the Union.
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by ProjectJimmy
Well it possible it could turn out as you say, however first of all I doubt all other 49 states would agree that its ok to invade the seceding state. Second I doubt a single state would do it except for maybe Texas. Most likely it would be a conglomeration of western states. And depending on which states they could have considerable resources.
Also you would have many Americans who support freedom and liberty flock to that state/s and fight if necassary. And still think there would be a divide in the military as to firing on fellow Americans even those seceding oorm the union.
So I don't think it is as black and white slam dunk the union wins as your scenario paints it.
Unlike the past where in the Civil War of the 18th century, today would have a different outcome. First if any State seceded, and threats were made to keep it in the "Union" they would appeal to the UN for peace keeping forces and resolutions recognizing it as an independent republic "nation-state". Also other nations would support it such as Russia, China, etc.
A disloyal portion of the American people have during the whole year been engaged in an attempt to divide and destroy the Union. A nation which endures factious domestic division is exposed to disrespect abroad, and one party, if not both, is sure sooner or later to invoke foreign intervention.
Originally posted by quisno
ok boys and girls if you wish to know if a state can secede from the union. i expound on that as i am a Grand Jurist for the great State of Idaho. the point should be here that we people have the power and can make it known thru our governor that we can break the contract with present government and contract a new one. The Constitution allows us not only redress of rights but removing the contract that we first made can also be voided by 75% of the states Grand jurists. We have just sent our Elders to the 50 states governors along with Grand jurists . and did give each governor of each state to follow the DeJur( or constitutional citizen ) or the De-facto Government. and each Governor that if they did not agree to De-jur rule that they would have to step down. Only california's governor resisted, but after consultation he recanted and signed. What this means. that now with in the boundaries of this Republic is a non defacto government in power. And they will resist. we have the armed forces and last i know some of the Fbi and all of the Provost Marshals on board. I as a Grand Jurist was asked by the Fbi "what were my intentions". I replied that i AM part of the citizens of these United States of America that wants conclusion to the contract with the present government and will work toward a different contract along with new represtentitives capable of understanding what a true Republic is. i have published my constitutional findings and will be more that happy to give to you my findings. Good Luck and as John Adams once said : You have a Republic if you can keep it" thankyou.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
In the end law and legality have absolutely no power.
Law is imaginary. The force behind it and the gun to your head however are not.