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Free Energy you can make at home

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posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 11:25 AM
Free energy is a reality. Think about it: the petrol engine is a nineteenth century invention. Are we supposed to believe that better, simpler and more efficient means of energy haven't been invented in about 150 years? (And no I don't mean nuclear energy.) We human beings are an inventive, creative bunch.

posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 01:18 PM
I think all ammeter electricians have had this dream at lest one time. I have. there are so many of these on Ytube it is unbelievable. the one that makes hydrogen and oxygen gas from water is good. I wonder if that could power a good engine then dynamo to re power the electrolyses! would work? with left over power.

posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 02:13 PM

Originally posted by buddha
I think all ammeter electricians have had this dream at lest one time. I have. there are so many of these on Ytube it is unbelievable. the one that makes hydrogen and oxygen gas from water is good. I wonder if that could power a good engine then dynamo to re power the electrolyses! would work? with left over power.

Nope. You're essentially "unburning" the water with electrolysis. You lose about 2/3 of the power doing that to I2R losses in the water that just heat the water. You don't get back excess power when you burn the water. Even if you could do it with 100% efficiency, and you can't, you couldn't get more by re-burning the water than you did un-burning it.

posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 03:10 PM
reply to post by whattheh

Awesome idea and it makes total sense. Going to try this out and thank you so much for the info, going to pass it on to anyone who will listen.

posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 11:58 PM
reply to post by MischeviousElf

The 'magic' formula for planning any hydro type scheme is P=Q.G.H

P is maximum output power in kW
Q is the water flow in m^3/sec
G is gravity 9.82m/sec^2
H is the vertical height (centreline of turbine to level of upper pond)

EG 10 metre head and a flow of 1 litre/sec (0.001m^3/sec)
P = 0.001 x 9.82 x 10 = 0.0982kW or 98W absolute maximum
Include efficiency and the figure would be more like 50W available from an alternator attached to the turbine. Find a way to pump 1L/sec or more up 10m with that little energy (50W) or less and you'll be a global hero, free energy or not.

The main problem is the efficiency of every transducer you incorporate in the system like converting the potential energy of the water to mechanical energy (turbine), then mechanical energy to electrical energy (alternator), electrical energy back to mechanical (motor) and finally mechanical energy back to potential energy via pumping the water back up. With comparatively excellent efficiencies of 80% at each of the 4 transducer stages we have 0.8x0.8x0.8x0.8 = overall 41% of the original energy getting back to the original form so the system will run out of energy very quickly in just supplying those losses.

posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 10:30 AM
reply to post by whattheh

Hi Marc here!

I like a person who thinks like you. The big companies are always trying to screw with the little guys...They have bought up and shelved many inventions over the last few hundred years in order to maintain a monopoly on all the stuff that they have in place. They talk about change and advancement of technologies but they only advance them at a rate that they do it without ruining that monopoly and to boot without ruining their wealthy lifestyles. And who pays for that lifestyle.... You and Me!
When reading one of your posts I noted your comments about motors and alternators. I performed a small experiment a few years ago and here's how it went. I hooked a few motors (printer motors) up by their shafts and then powered one of them with a 12v battery. Then I used the other motors in a charging mode whereby I hooked up one of them to the driven motor... The motor's RPM increased. I never did go any further in this experimentation but I suppose that with careful use of capacitors and that type of stuff some sort of arrangement could be of some benefit if it were properly tuned. Might not run for free but as you stated they could be made to run much longer on the same battery while at the same time possibly running other devices. As for the inverters... What many people haven't figured out yet is the common computer backup power supplies "APC" are actually pure sine ways inverters in most cases and you can have them at garage sales and such places for twenty bucks... a far cry from the thousands that some companies are charging for a four thousand watt inverter. I am sot sure how large they get as far as APC's go but I do know that they do have them at lease as large as three thousand watts. If you get one that has a twelve volt internal battery just pull it and run the wires outside of the case and get a bunch of twelve volt deep cycle batteries. Wire them in parrallel to give yourself more run time... the more batteries in parrallel the more run time. Now all you need is a charging system capable of charging the the batteries enough that your usage does not exceed the charging capabilities... you could also use less to ensure you don't deplete the batteries and run out of power. I have successfully powered an entire house with this setup. At least all the light and all the plugs except 220v. If you put a separate breaker box in your house and run all the lights and plugs to this box (make sure it's not connected to the grid system. It has to be it's own circuit) Now all you need to do is create an extension cord with a male plug on both ends. Plug one end into the APC's power out and the other end into any wall plug and the entire system of lights and sockets which you have just wired up to the new circuit box is completely live. You could for convenience sake wire a wall plug right beside the breaker box and then keep your APC and battery bank in the same area. There are a number of things you might have to do to your APC. Firsly most of them have an annoying warning beep which tells you your power is low. just diconnect it if it bothers you. The only other thing is some APC's will not turn on the battery powered side of things unless it also detects that the original power plug is connected to a wall socket so you have to disable that somehow. I have tricked it using another APC that does not have this feature. What you do is turn it on so that it has a 120 volt output from it's inverter side and plug the other inverter's wall plug into it. Now the sensor thinks that the AC plug is plugged in. If you now unplug the inverter it thinks the power has been interrupted and the inverter side starts putting out 120v from the inverter side. If you buy a used APC and you think it is not working it just migh be this feature preventing you from turning it on so just be aware. There may be a way to disable it otherwise but I'm not an electrician.

posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Gravitronic
reply to post by whattheh

Now all you need to do is create an extension cord with a male plug on both ends. Plug one end into the APC's power out and the other end into any wall plug and the entire system of lights and sockets which you have just wired up to the new circuit box is completely live.

Incredibly dangerous thing to do there (illegal here in Oz) and it could see you charged with manslaughter if anyone comes in contact with the exposed live terminals. Another issue is that you're bypassing any protection on the household wiring (RCDs, fuses, CBs etc) so you'd be totally uninsured in case of fire or personal injury caused by it.

To do it right you need a 2 way changeover switching arrangement so you can select the energy source without parallelling your system with the mains supply or swapping plugs around. The changeover switching can be controlled by a contactor and an undervoltage relay if you want it to be automatic but whatever method you use, it needs to be professionally installed and inspected to be legal.

posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 11:05 AM
Hi... Marc again!

Just thought I'd pass this along. This week I got into the construction phase of my gravity powered machine... or more precisely my gravity powered generator system. I can't give you the details for patent reasons. I have concluded through some calculations and as well I have built a mockup in a 3D environment. Everthing looks good here and unless I missed something I really believe that this has in my opinion a 99.9 percent chance of working. The neat thing is that I designed it around the use of readily available parts. Flywheels and alternators from cars and low friction bearings from bicycle wheels. It is essentially very simple in design. The charging side of things was craeted like this. Take the nose gear from a car's starter motor and modify it so it will fit on an alternator shaft. Depending on the make or model used it might be easier to modify the alternator shaft to fit the nose gear but you get the point. Do this to six or more alternators and mount them so the gears mesh to your flywheel. Now you have a charging system that is capable of some serious charging. Heck put as many alternators as you can mount on both side of the flywheel... maybe ten or twelve. Now here is the neat thing about this... If you take a twelve inch diameter flywheel and the nose gear of modified alternator has a diameter of three inches (I'm guessin three but it's not far from reality anyways)... lets look at the numbers. Twelve inches diameter equals 37.7 inches circumference. Three inches diameter equals 9.425 diameter. Divide 37.7 by 9.425 and you get 4. If you wan't to spin you alternators at 1000 rpm (your car's engine at idle) simply divide by four to get the required flywheel rpm. That is basically it for the charging side of things... Low rpm... low noise... low friction. I will keep you up to date when testing the entire device begins.

posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 11:38 AM
Hi Marc again!

I have been searching for the holy grail of free energy now for many years. I just posted about my gravity powered generator system and there is not more that I can tell you at this time... nothing has progressed in the last five minutes... haha! Actually this is in relation to an invention that I designed more than thirty years ago and funny as it is I have never read anything remotely close to this in any way shape or form during the last thirty years so I figure I might as well put this out there for others to see and digress. Im not worried about patents or anything but would like to hear of anyone who is ... or maybe already has investigated a similar idea. It goes like this. Take the concept of the aircraft carriers rubber band launching system. I'm just using rubber band loosely so take it with a grain of salt everyone. Now reverse the idea. Take a huge recoil (duplicate a lawnmower recoil) and put it on a huge flywheel and support the flywheel on magnetic bearings. Put the flywheel in a vacum if you like and eliminate the friction of air. Leave only the output/input shaft exposed. Now mount this flywheel in a hole in the ground under your driveway furthest from your street, with the handle of your recoil at the center of the driveway (sideways). Now make a slot that runs down the center of your driveway and have your handle sit in this slot. Make the handle such that it has a catch and your vehicle also has a catch underneath. When you come home and park, the catch on the handle meshes with the catch on the car. When you pull out of your driveway your car pulls the handle... spinning the flywheel... running a generator or other devices. If you could build a flyheel of sufficient mass and proper balance that is would continue to spin useably for say forty eight hours... then you have energy that is not necessarily free but is otherwise just wasted. If you lived in the northern climates as I do you could build this so that it would heat your driveway and you would never have to shovel it. The nice thing about this is it is relatively simple. Essentially three components... a flywheel, a recoil and whatever charging system you like to use. Almost everybody has one vehicle in the driveway and if everyone built one of these... I could just imagine!

posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 11:58 AM
I am not out to debate anything here...I feel obligated to comment though.

I do use this method, although....not trying to loop..return power.

If the OP had access to, ohh a constant water source "flowing"
A lawnmower deck and some step "belt pullies" for gearing..make up for power consumption.
and before I get flamed, a shaft hooked to the ole lawnmower deck and then to a water wheel in said creek, flowing water ..will overcome the load on the may need to start out, giving the wheel a hand start to get the momentum going, but it is self sustsaining.
But in the Op's case....I lived in Vegas too....there is no available water source to fit his/her needs, short of the Colorado river, and the feds got that one...Hoover dam..

posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 08:25 PM
reply to post by Pilgrum

marc some advise learn to use paragraphs, its easier to read.

im a electrician so let me shed some light. i've also been searching for a free energy solution, and i still pay the electric and gas.

what hes doing is making a separately derived system, but hooking it up wrong. instead of back feeding the system (using two male ends) just run the power to the primary side of your panel.... i don't see why you wouldn't? it won't be able to kill anyone its not connected to the grid at all. atleast that what im understanding. and if inspected, nothing dangerous (assume his power source is safe) or illegeal (assuming the power source is legal) about it. but a big waste of time imo.

what your thinking of is called a transfer switch. which would be alot easier than rewiring the house and installing a panel. if your going to do anything go this route. its the same thing as hooking up a generator, but he using something else as the power source.

now let me tell you the flaw in everything your coming up with. your using electric motors. their inefficent which means they lose power. 80% means 100 watts go in and 80 watts worth of power comes out. but everyone before me has explain loss to you so ill stop there.

so let me assume 100% and no loss, you still can't make power. 746 watts = 1 hp (horsepower) its a direct electrical to mechanical energy conversion. also know that hp is based off of torque. hp=torque*rpm/5252.

first the op idea - so at 100% which doesn't exist you take a perfect 746 watt electric motor, it converts electrical energy into mechanical energy and puts out 1 hp. that 1 hp is used to turn the alternator which then spits out 746 watts.... you can't make more power this way. motors and alternators/generators are pretty much the same thing, one takes mechanical energy and turns it into electrical energy, the other does the opposite.

marcs idea - i don't understand what your doing exactly, so you plug in a motor then it charges batteries for other motors? your just converting electrical into mechanical back to electrical.

your flywheel idea - your converting the cars mechanical energy into another form of mechanical energy (the spinning wheel) then converting it to electrical (generator) first your car is going to have to work harder getting out of the drive and pulling in it (use more horsepower), its not wasted energy pulling out of the drive. also what makes you think the wheel will keep spinning? go back to the posts that explain how a load effects alternators. an alternator is a generator.

im not trying to step all over you guys, just i think you guys need to have a understanding how magnets and electricity work. the free energy solution is not in electric motors at all. you need a truly free machanical way to turn a generator, wind for example. but its only free because we don't pay money for it, not because energy was created, was was just transfered. solar is a good one, but its only free because we don't pay for sunlight, energy is still not being created, the sun use solar fisson and turns that energy into solar which solar panels turn it into electrical. its all just transfer of energy. downfall to both ideas of them, their expensive as heck to make.

gas is also another transfer of energy, its chemical energy being turned into mechanical energy in your cars engine. theres no creation.

the gravity things arn't going to work. at 100% its going to take the exact same amount of energy to turn generators then move the water back up to the top to start over than it would produce.

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 11:55 AM
reply to post by ohhwataloser

Marc Here!

First off sorry about not breaking things down for readability's sake!

My idea for the separate panel box was to make everything that was 120 volt like plugs and lights running from an off grid system as you correctly presumed. My intention with the 220 volt side of things was to have it grid connected... mainly for places in the north where I live so that furnaces and other large appliances that are a necessity in the winter months can run with less likelyhood of failure. (assuming the grid won't fail).

I can see now where the need to plug into a wall socket is just a waste, and indeed if I connect to the primary side of the (extra) panel then I benefit from the protection of the breakers which is good for surge protection on the items being plugged into the wall and thus reduce any fire hazard.

It might keep your insurance company from dumping you too!

The other reason would be just to keep the costs of such a system minimal. An off grid system capable of running a furnace (almost) constantly during the winter months along with clothes dryers, stovetops and maybe some garage/workshop tools can be very taxing. If you didn't have the financial resources to build a large enough system to run everything you needed, the idea I'm proposing might allow you save a little and later build up to a more complete system.

Sure you could monitor and tailor your usage to minimize the possibility of failure. And if more people were a little more responsible in their usage the world would be a slightly better place.

I hope that makes things a little more clear and I appreciate your passing your wisdom on for anyone following along. If there is any more flaws in my thinking since I have clarified please let me know... maybe this whole changeover switching/transfer switching thing you speak of could still do what I propose. Anything more you can pass along is appreciated.

There is another post of mine here

Regarding my gravity powered generating system. Although I call it gravity powered there is more involved than just gravity. In fact gravity is only one source of power in this device. The other is the power that you would call the moment of inertia of a rotating object.

The sipmlest way for me to describe what is happening is that when the power of an object in linear motion is combined with the power of an object in rotation in such a manner that these powers are overlapping to produce a combined efficiency in excess of one hundred percent.

Any sigular force or power in my opinion cannot achieve 100 percent efficiency because that would ultimately be what we call perpetual motion.There is also an oscillation in the design which is the method by which the the powers are caused to overlap.

This site...
is where I had originally made the realizations that this would work and this inventor is right on the edge... I researched his site thoroughly and he just needs to take the next step... the step I have figured out, and he'll have it. It really is quite simple once you figure it all out. Currently I have started the construction phase of building the device after comprehensive 3D simulations have proven successful. A friend has donated full use of his machine shop and I will keep you all up to date on the progress

Good luck to all who follow the quest for free energy!

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