To the followers of the Constitution - Time to go Underground

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

To the followers of the Constitution - Time to go Underground

No thanks...I'm fine where I'm at.

And the Constitution is fine too...no need for you to defend it.

Internet revolutions only go so far...and then they die...just like this one is. But don't worry...I'm sure you have said enough to put yourself on a few watchlists. So when they tap your phones...don't cry about it...because you gave them more than enough reasons to do it.

mine probably is already... so what..... This is not about just the internet and taking a stand in case you missed that...

and very few people here would cry over a phone line tapped... if you are doing something illegal you need to worry, and if not and are speaking out, that is still legal until the obama and his punks take control of that 100%..

[and it is the men and women in the service now and those past that fought to make sure you can speak out and have the rights you do enjoy...]


Not meaning any disrespect for our men and women in military because I know they MEANT WELL when they joined up .....
but they have been helpful (by volunteering) to fight for wars that have actually been instrumental in TAKING OUR RIGHTS AWAY .....
So terrorists could very well come and destroy us ..but now they dont have to because hey our Gov and its employees (all of them including military) have made it where we have no privacy whatsoever anymore and are at the brink of being totally controlled by our own Gov and its employees (through more laws ,Patriot Acts,amendments ,fines,spieing on us ,cameras,papers we have to have to even walk on the streets in our own neighborhoods) ..............
What glory is there in aiding them with this.

Sorry if this offends...and I am not anyone who is willing to fight for anything right now because fighting is what got us in this mess ..so I dont see any point in fighting them as they will win (they have yall outnumbered and outwatched ) so why bother .....might as well live your life as best you can while you can with your loved ones and let the world go whatever way they do because at this point it cannot be stopped .............and I think its too late to even turn it around ...
(just my opinion since I know what the bible says will happen I dont worry too much about the cares of this world ..JUST THE PEOPLE IN IT ...) .............

Might want to check this out first there OP.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I understand you are waiting for "Them to fire first." But it doesn't work that way. They aren't going to fire first. If they decide to come arrest you, they will give you an opportunity to give yourselves up.

But you might want to check out that thread first, before you plan anything you might regret.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Internet revolutions only go so far...and then they die...just like this one is. But don't worry...I'm sure you have said enough to put yourself on a few watchlists. So when they tap your phones...don't cry about it...because you gave them more than enough reasons to do it.

well they're gonna be tapping millions of phones then, lol.

OH WAIT, they're already doing that with the Patriot Act aren't they???

as far as an Internet Revolution, dont think so.
I will be at my state capital on April 19th.
Providing they dont kick my door down first.
I'll be leaving my computer at home.


[edit on 31-3-2010 by boondock-saint]

reply to post by boondock-saint


You are talking about something FAR different than the OP is talking about. You are talking about a peaceful protest which is protected under the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

What the OP is talking about is a violent revolution to usurp the constitutionally elected government and replace us all under a dictatorship with the endless yet never fulfilling promise of returning freedom.

[edit on 3/31/2010 by whatukno]

You guys know what ATS needs more than another Obama illegitimacy thread? Another thread dominated with poor spelling and grammar ranting about overthrowing the government based on no evidence and a loose grasp of the constitution.

reply to post by boondock-saint

as far as an Internet Revolution, dont think so.
I will be at my state capital on April 19th.

Good for you...doing it the way it should be done in a peaceful protest.

I have no problem with that at all.

hah! the constitution has been trambled on and repeatedly raped for years and you people sit here and cry about it now. it did not make a difference then and it will not stop them from changing it now. it is slowly being modified as they see fit and the ones that suffer from it is us and there isn't a goddamn thing we can do about it. any whisper of a revolution will be neutralize before an attempt.

it is foolish of you to believe you live in a free country, you live in a comfortable country but you are not free. you are being monitored, guilty until proven innocence, it is illegal to smoke in a restaurant, illegal to own certain weapons etc... just simple enjoyment in life. countless restrictions imposed upon you now compared to then.

with the advent of new laws and set of laws such as the patriot act etc... giving government indefinite power over you, your privacy and liberty. what was once our protection against our government has been turned into that which protect them from us. how can you not say the constitution is obsolete?

reply to post by DOADOA


Many have already posted so I shall be quick. The Constitution is not just some crumby piece of parchment for us to follow. It is merely a symbol - given power by those who would follow it.

The Constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper that lays out out rights and freedoms that we had even prior to its conception, and far after its destruction. It is the contents of, not the document itself, that should be held with respect and decency by any freedom loving individual.


reply to post by Simplynoone


Remember, it is because of the freedom we fight for that you are allowed to believe and preach how you want - and it is within the Constitution that the rights given to us by the "Creator" (whomever that may be to you) are enumerated.

While faith in "God" can get you so far, you have to be willing to do what faith would have you do. Faith in turn is intertwined with fate and the revolution for the freedom of man is my fate and the fate of many others.



reply to post by lilwolf


Do not take this as me tucking tail and run. I still stand by all my beliefs and statements, I only now realize that I am at a true risk for speaking out on my beliefs. I will do no good if the government tries to discredit or pin me down was some facetious threat or conspiracy charge and so, I will choose to keep my musings private and among those who request it from me.

The battle is far from over and trust me, I shall continue to fight along side you.



reply to post by OutKast Searcher

And the Constitution is fine too...no need for you to defend it.

This comment alone is enough to show your true colors, and about time as well. To believe that the Constitution is "fine", that is, not being threatened by modern laws, legislation, and politicians - then you are either blind to it or supportive of its blatant destruction.

By NOT defending the Constitution you go against its basic principles and by denying to save its ideals when it is in dire need - you have proven yourself as nothing more than an enemy of that Constitution and therefor an enemy of America.

So when they tap your phones...don't cry about it...

I told you once and I shall tell you again. I am not a brash terrorist or some imbecile who would be prone to give away everything I hold. I have spoken wildly, yes, but I have not yet stepped outside the bounds of the law be it on here or in any conversation. Let them tap my phones - they would hear brother speaking to brother, businessman speaking to customer, they would hear nothing of their interest because I am not that stupid.

Let them bug my home. They would hear dinner conversation and the sound of music playing on occasion, but they would hear nothing incriminating.

Let them come and search my home. They would find nothing of merit, nothing worthy of a "revolutionary" or militiaman.

But of both I am, though I am smart about it. I do not need to flaunt my patriotism for everyone to see, I only need to back it up when the times comes. You may take it as flaunting myself, though in truth I only choose to awaken those who have a patriot inside them as well and to warn them to be careful of their words and their actions and most of all, keep an eye on their 6 at all times.



reply to post by whatukno


I am not bound by laws outside of the powers enumerated to the federal government in Constitution of the United States. The Declaration of Independence and Constitution hold precedence over any laws federal or state.

I have already "planned" and I have already spoken out against it. Let them come. My rights in the Constitution will protect me as I speak out.

Sorry I didn't see you thread, I had you on ignore, and now I remember why.



reply to post by InterestedDoubter


It could also use some more substantial replies that aren't intended to derail the topic or provoke argument; a.k.a. trolling.



reply to post by whatukno


And thus back to attacking me and my threads and so BACK on IGNORE! You know I'm pretty sure you were there the whole time, it is just a lot cleaner on here without you spewing your venomous lies and rhetoric all over the place.

Pardon me for questioning the intelligence of following someone into a violent situation and something as heavy as a revolution when they can't even articulate why or show a basic grasp over their language. You people go right ahead with your tap tapping revolution.

reply to post by InterestedDoubter


In case you haven't noticed this thread isn't about WHY I call for a revolution, this thread is about taking it onto the down low. If you are interested as to why, or as to "if I can articulate" my message, feel free to check out my older posts by clicking on my user name.

You seem to be the only one having trouble understanding what I am saying, so if you need me to explain something to you more thoroughly, you need only ask.

[reply to post by Simplynoone
Remember, it is because of the freedom we fight for that you are allowed to believe and preach how you want - and it is within the Constitution that the rights given to us by the "Creator" (whomever that may be to you) are enumerated.

While faith in "God" can get you so far, you have to be willing to do what faith would have you do. Faith in turn is intertwined with fate and the revolution for the freedom of man is my fate and the fate of many others.]


No sir the Lord God of heaven (the CREATOR) is the reason why we are allowed to believe and preach and have any freedoms at all ...did he send men to help do that YES ..but not with violence (and dont even bring up the OT because NO ONE IN THE NT ever did anything violently) ...........
The real people who have real faith in GOD know that he is the one with all power and he and he alone CONTROLS THINGS ...and when or if I am put in a position to fight (physically)for my life or my freedoms I will not ...Neither Jesus or the Apostles or disciples EVER took up arms or fought physically with anyone ...not even when it was life or death situations ..
That same faith they had that it was a spiritual battle that can only be won in spirit is the faith that I will have until I die with them .........

I will say that they never ran and hid either ...(To the OP) you cant hide from GOD...and you cant hide from the inevitable ..
Facing things head on (with a clear and level head) is the only way to actually deal with stuff because if you dont it will still eventually rear its head again at ya and force you to face your troubles ..

reply to post by gwydionblack


So you have no rationale for this, you're just convinced of doing it? I mean I've asked you several times why and yet you just keep rambling about underground this and revolution that. That's all fine and good, I mean this is all intrawebz non-sense anyway. I'm just asking what the reason for the fantasy is and pointing out that it's really annoying to read thread like this considering the educational level of a lot of these posts are elementary.

reply to post by InterestedDoubter


I just TOLD YOU if you want my rationale and the reasons WHY then look at my prior posts. I will say it one more time, this thread is NOT about my reasons for revolution as I have plenty of other threads that CLEARLY state that.

I'm not sure exactly why you choose to insult my intelligence calling it "elementary" but aren't you the one using the word "intrawebz"?


I will no longer appease you by derailing this thread further and I hope you can do the same and take my advice that quite clearly answers your 'question'.

If you consider a bunch of paranoid generalities as a rationale to incite violence, then yeah I feel pretty justified in what I'm saying. I have yet to see any tangible evidence of why a revolution or action against the government is needed. See the thing is you people are a slight minority of the population. You know this so of course instead of taking the right course of actions (running for office, starting political parties, backing politicians that fit your agenda) you ramble on the intrawebz about revolution this and freedom that. Seems pretty stupid to me especially with the lack of historical or judicial knowledge but it's your life.

gwydionblack
If you think fighting and dieing for your constitution is what you have to do .Then why are you now gonna run and hide at the first sign of trouble?
Makes no sense to me ..unless you know deep down inside this isnt the right way to handle things ....(with weapons of war) thats what got us in this mess to begin with (WARS) ......will two wrongs make a right >? no ............

reply to post by InterestedDoubter


His reasons are but not limited to:

Overthrowing the Constitutionally Elected Government.

Changing the Constitution as HE sees fit.

The implementation of a "New" 13th Amendment.

And killing as many people as he can.

But, I wouldn't really worry about our revolutionary friend here. Because he HAS stated, that he would not fire first. Which means that he will NEVER do any of what he plans. Because at most, the big bad government is just going to eventually arrest him. If they do anything at all.

Being a member of this website for a few years, I've seen some crazy posts. But this takes the cake. This is the unhealthiest and probably the most insane thread that exists on ATS.. (at the moment at least)

Perhaps in a more free America, I would be able to openly let my voice be heard

Really? Care to explain how you're bashing your government without any consequences?

-to fight for freedom

or

-to watch it die.

I don't know, I'm watching you rant, watching ATS members bash Obama, watching ATS members say the government NEEDS to be overthrown and so on. Seems like freedom still reigns, at least here on the internet.

The tipping point draws near. Some will reach their limits before others and will have no choice but to retaliate.

Retaliate to what? The fact everyone will have health care? College kids being able to pay off loans easier?

However, daft acts of terrorism and killing innocents is not the way to go about bringing a change to this country.

If anyone resorts to such acts of inhumanity, then they probably are retarded and listened to Glenn Beck for too long.

Please, your talk of revolution is not only insane but lame. When Bush was president, that was the time to revolt. Well guess what, you big mouth "constitutionalists" didn't do a damn thing. (no, you self acclaimed 3rd party members don't count, I speak of the right wing jackasses who claim they love their country but voted for McCain/Palin)

You're right though, this country is sinking. Sinking because of the complete nutjobs who stand around calling the president a Socialist...when they don't even know what the word means. They'll call him Hitler.. but yet, got upset when Bush was compared to the dictator. You want a revolution but really, all you have is a fat racist scumbag (Rush), a loud mouth uneducated ill minded sensationalist sh*thead (Beck), and a hockey mom who doesn't know a damn thing about...well, anything (Palin).

Great faces to represent You. It just shows that you aren't going to make any difference. Instead, you're just going to prove how this country got dumber as time went on. Thank you for making America look bad.

You can flame but I really do not care. You want to bash someone and expect not to get bashed back? Then what kind of freedom do You want? Kind of scary actually...

Douchebags.


p.s-

I'm not a fan of Obama or his policies (sending more troops to the middle east, false promises on gays in the military, etc), but I'm not idiotic enough to call him something he's not. Would I ever stand in a protest with you people? No. Why? Because why would I surround myself with a bunch of individuals who get their information from Fox News.

Thanks




[edit on 1-4-2010 by GorehoundLarry]

By the way, if you didn't notice: Obama was ELECTED into office.

You have a little more while until he's out of office, until then, get used to it. Obama is YOUR president

Hey OP here is some really good advice

1Pe 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
1Pe 3:17 For [it is] better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls [to him] in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.