Originally posted by 23refugee
reply to post by MischeviousElf
The Celibate or those who desire them still? "
Why should anyone that desires civil discourse rail against a diatribe that's begun with an insult as thinly vieled as that?
Are you serious?
Or just being defensive?
It was just a question, and posted to show the insubstantial basis for the OP statement.
How is that and Insult? To whom again the celibate or not?
Makes no sense you have totally lost me.
However I did mention it as for a 3 yr period in my life I chose Celibacy to focus on myself, achieve some goals as I am deep and intense with love
relationships, and also to help in meditation practises, having control over my emotions, rather than vice versa... so I speak from both sides of
being Celibate and not.
I am not at the moment, but neither do I choose wrong partners anymore and Lust has very little bearing on whether I have a relationship, its deeper
for me now, the person not just body is paramount, after doing that in my life, sorts the wheat from the chaff as such, much better choices in
Again I am sorry if you saw that as an insult, I don’t see how, but it was just meant to convey using analogy the weakness of the OPs premise, so he
could see that himself, and get that guilt out of the cupboard never mind the queen in him.
reply to post by jinx880101
Rephrasing my sentences means nothing, as sentences build Paragraphs.
From building these we get the feel or meaning of what is being said.
I am sorry if you can’t see that I was using an analogy, and all you have done is like the MSM taken one part and quoted it out of context
Anyhow if any Gay people or their friends or family etc were upset, please look at the context and realise I am sticking up for those who have the
honesty to be totally true about their lives. Just questioning the OP's as explained excuse of it being Nature 100% which is not true, as it is a
choice like anything else in life.
I have had both Gay and Bi friends in life. Been on "dates" with them with my girlfriend, when they were nervous and wanted some friends about, and
double date as such. Had one or two over the years phoning me up early hours of the morning and breaking their heart to me on the phone when a
relationship ended etc..
Shared a flat for a few months with a Bi friend, him and his friends male and female would come out clubbing with us in the first legal and illegal
Raves in the UK and clubs, and about one in four of our Fridays or Saturdays clubbing, we would all go to the local gay club (Fantastic Dance Music!!)
as it was only fair. Though me and straight friends went like ladies to the toilets together lol!! scared...but gave the resident weekly clubbers at
the gay club much to laugh and tease us about.
Please please understand you are trying to preach to the converted and non judgemental. I am just being brutally honest about the deep psychological
issues that ive seen those friends go through when they first Came out, and the angle of the OP and some posts mirror that. Most still had guilt and
were "Externalising" and "transferring" blame onto Genes, upbringing etc....
However that is it, there is nothing to be guilty about, or nothing to blame, that is just unresolved childhood issues, and no one who is Gay or
coming out can really embrace their lifestyle, and be happy in life or there sexuality until this deep part of acceptance, taking responsibility comes
This is the same for all such issues, blaming parents if aggressive and beaten, etc etc etc, all the same. It’s all ultimately a choice.
When exploring my identity when young, Like all males (I admit it
) I explored once or twice the confusion of puberty etc, though never actually had
full homosexual sex.
It did nothing for me I did not get aroused, or even can understand looking at a man and being "Attracted" or having google eyes for them. But then
I understand a Gay person does not see women as I do as well, big deal I like Pasta my best friend Curry.
I feel at a really good place in my life sexually. I am not afraid to show or get in touch with "Feminine" qualities all males carry, and females
vice versa, and am pretty close to a yin/yang in that regard. I don’t need to be ostentatious, or aggressive to "prove" my manhood, it is deeper
than that and brash shows of it usually show an insecurity and overcompensation in this area. I have extremely high testosterone levels, nearly
needing medication for it when younger, massively sexual when I CHOOSE to play and gently dominant, but I am also happy to clean, cook or care for
people/babies... Celibacy for a short while can be very liberating, and also provide huge stillness and will power within.
Please realise I am just being honest about the situation, and my ultimate aim was to try and provoke a bit of an reaction to make the OP and anyone
advocating his stance, move through this barrier to happiness in their life and sexuality.
"Know Yourself" is so true in all areas of life especially sexual orientation.
Phew Meow lol all across this thread, which brings back some memories of friends lol.
Walking quietly and gently from this thread.