When and how will Jesus make himself known

Why not go get the Book and look IT up for yourself, here I'll introduce you!


His name Ye'ShUaA spelled Yud Shin Vauv Ayin
(Strongs'#3442-3443, #3444 adds letter He as a noun)
is Ye' -the 3rd person singular 'HE', and the word
ShUaA (#7768-7773) meaning "Stowing-up (as treasure)"
it occurs 77 very significant times total in the TeNaCh:

1) Ge.49.18
2) Ex.14.13
3) 15.2
4) Dt.32.15
5) 1Sa.2.1
6) 14.45
7) 2Sa.22.51
8) 1Ch.16.23
9) 19.12*
10) 2Ch.20.17
11) 20.9*
12) Jb.13.16
13) Ps.3.2
14) 3.8
15) 9.14
16) 13.5
17) 14.7
18) 18.50
19) 20.5
20) 21.1
21) 21.5
22) 28.8
23) 35.3
24) 35.9
25) 42.5
26) 42.11
27) 43.5
28) 44.4
29) 53.6
30) 62.1
31) 62.2
32) 67.2
33) 68.19
34) 69.29
35) 70.4
36) 74.12
37) 78.22
38) 80.2
39) 88.1
40) 89.26
41) 91.16
42) 95.1*
43) 96.2
44) 98.2
45) 98.3
46) 106.4
47) 116.13
48) 118.14
49) 118.15
50) 118.21
51) 119.123
52) 119.155
53) 119.166
54) 119.174
55) 140.7
56) 149.4
57) Is.12.2
58) 12.2
59) 12.3
60) 25.9
61) 26.1
62) 26.18
63) 33.2
64) 33.6
65) 49.6
66) 49.8
67) 51.6
68) 51.8
69) 52.7
70) 52.10
71) 56.1
72) 59.11
73) 59.17
74) 60.18
75) 62.1
76) Jo.2.9
77) Hb.3.8

*several scribal errors wrote it as YeShaA (#3467-3468) -a missing Vawv... meaning simply "He Saves" (a yet common misnomer).

[edit on 2010/3/31 by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU]

Originally posted by DISRAELI
The answer given in Matthew ch24 v27 is "as the lightning comes from the east and shines to the west." This suggests that the answer to your question is "suddenly, and simultaneously visible to everyone".
We are also told not to believe anyone who says he is already in a particular place. If you have to go somewhere to see him, he is a fake.

[edit on 31-3-2010 by DISRAELI]

[edit on 31-3-2010 by DISRAELI]

What he said.

2nd line.

reply to post by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU


WOW YOU Rhyme, but guess what, grab ahold of the records of jesus birth and you too! THE RHMIYNG FOOL, shall see that your fool hearted messiah, was written about till around 250 years, so rhyme, rhyme till you die, but you cannot change the fact that your messiah wasnt written about till roughly 250 years after the fact! shizzle they write about tiger woods, pope. michael jordan, but hell no lets wait a bit cause this sad basstard jesus has someting in him! lol. beleive in what you will!

Originally posted by allprowolfy
reply to post by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU

 

WOW YOU Rhyme, but guess what, grab ahold of the records of jesus birth and you too! THE RHMIYNG FOOL, shall see that your fool hearted messiah, was written about till around 250 years, so rhyme, rhyme till you die, but you cannot change the fact that your messiah wasnt written about till roughly 250 years after the fact! shizzle they write about tiger woods, pope. michael jordan, but hell no lets wait a bit cause this sad basstard jesus has someting in him! lol. beleive in what you will!

250 years... your either uninformed or deliberately being misleading.


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When were the books of the New Testament Written?

Conservative and liberal scholars listed below have provided the following opinions in their writings as to when the various New Testament books were penned. This list will always be a work in progress and is constantly being updated. Therefore, I am unwilling to grant permission for the list to be copied in all or part to another website. I do grant permission for a link to this page if proper credit is given. If you would like to quote all or part of this list for a publication please contact me at [email protected] Grace and peace, Gary Butner, Th.D.

Matthew


The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary Post 70 AD
Raymond Brown, Ph.D. AD 80 to 90, give or take a decade
F.F. Bruce, Ph.D. shortly after 70 AD
D.A. Carson, R.T. France, and G.J. Wenham, eds. New Bible Commentary: 21 Century Edition, 80 CE
Larry Chouinard, Ph.D. Likely after AD 70
W.D. Davies, D.D. AD 80 to 100
M. G. Easton M. A., D. D. Probably between AD 60 or 65
James M. Efird, Ph.D. AD 70 to 80
Davies Professor of New Testament and Biblical Greek at Duke University
English Standard Version Bible AD 50s or 60s
David A. Fiensy, Ph.D. AD 50 to 55, yet 40 to 60 is possible.
Joseph A. Fitzmyer, Ph.D. AD 75 to 80 Professor of New Testament at The Catholic University of America, Past President of the Society of Biblical Literature Chair of the Synoptic Studies Division of SBL. Author of the 2 Volume Commentary on Luke in the Anchor Bible Series. A well-known and leading Critical Scholar in New Testament Origins
Donald Guthrie, Ph.D. New Testament Introduction prior to AD 63, yet 50 to 64 is reasonable.
President, formerly Vice-Principal and Lecturer in New Testament,
The London Bible College
Donald A. Hagner, Ph.D. pre AD 70
William Hendriksen, Ph.D. AD 63-66
A.E. Hill, Ph.D. AD 70 to 85 Professor of Old Testament at Wheaton College, author Guide to Bible Data
R. Jamieson, A.R. Fausset, and D. Brown, eds. AD 37 to 60, Commentary Critical and Explanatory of the Whole Bible (JFB)
Howard Clark Kee, Ph.D. AD 75 to 85
Professor of New Testament at Drew University
Craig S. Keener, Ph.D. AD 70's , although this date is not certain.
Werner Georg Kummel, Ph.D. AD 80 to 100
Late Professor of New Testament at Marburg, Germany
John MacArthur, Ph.D. AD 50 to 70
K.E. Malberg, AD 49 to 51 Bible Overview Chart
Bruce Metzger, Ph.D AD 75 to 85
Professor of New Testament at Princeton University
Chair of the Editorial Board for the UBS and Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament. Senior Editor for the New Testament of the NRSV Translation Team. (Considered THE Dean of Textual-Critical studies today [since Aland's death])
S.L. Peterson, AD 75 Timeline Charts of the Western Church
J.A.T. Robinson, Ph.D. Complete by AD 62
T. Robinson, AD 85 The Bible Timeline
Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Th.D., Ph.D., Ryrie Study Bible AD 50s or 60s
Edward P. Sanders, Ph.D. AD 70 to 80
Professor of New Testament and Christian Origins, Duke University
(Neither Mark, Matthew, or Luke show ANY sign of knowing of ANY of the events following 90 AD, hence they were written before 90.)
Carsten Peter Thiede, Ph.D. Prior to the mid 60s Director of the Institute for Basic Epistemological Research in Paderborn, Germany
Edward J. Tinsley, Ph.D. AD 70 to 80 Retired Professor of Greek and New Testament, Cambridge University
Joseph B. Tyson, Ph.D. AD 80
Professor of New Testament and Christian Origins, Southern Methodist University (Dr. Tyson is one of THE leading scholars in Luke-Acts, and is Chair of the Luke-Acts Division of the Society of Biblical Literature)
J. Wenham, Ph.D. AD 40
Franklin W. Young, Ph.D. AD 70 to 80 Professor of New Testament at The Episcopal Theological Seminary
J. Walvoord and R. Zuck AD 50 to c50 The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures


Mark

Believer's Study Bible, A.D. 65 to 68
Allan Black, Ph.D. early AD 60's
Raymond E. Brown, Ph.D. AD 60 to 75, most likely between AD 68 & 73
F.F. Bruce, Ph.D. AD 64 or 65
D.A. Carson, R.T. France, and G.J. Wenham, eds. New Bible Commentary: 21 Century Edition, 60 to 70 CE
M. G. Easton M. A., D. D. Probably about AD 63
James M. Efird, Ph.D. AD 65 to 70
English Standard Version Bible AD 50s or 60s
David A. Fiensy, Ph.D. AD 66 or 67
Joseph A. Fitzmyer, Ph.D. AD 60 to 70
Robert A. Guelich, Ph.D. AD 67 to 70
Donald Guthrie, Ph.D. New Testament Introduction, 65 to 70 CE
William Hendriksen, Ph.D. AD 40 to 65, with the earlier date favored.
Martin Hengel, Ph.D. AD 69
A.E. Hill, Ph.D. AD 50 to 70
R. Jamieson, A.R. Fausset, and D. Brown, eds. AD 54 to 68
Howard Clark Kee, Ph.D. AD 70
Craig S. Keener, Ph.D. AD 64
Werner Georg Kummel, Ph.D. AD 70
William L. Lane, Th.D. AD 60 to 70
John MacArthur, Ph.D. AD 50 to 70
K.E. Malberg, AD 68 to 69
Bruce Metzger, Ph.D. AD 65 to 75
M.S. Mills, Ph.D. AD 68
N. Perrin, Ph.D. after AD 64/65
S.L. Peterson, AD 70 Timeline Charts of the Western Church
J.A.T. Robinson, Ph.D. Complete by AD 62
T. Robinson, AD 69 The Bible Timeline
Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Th.D., Ph.D., Ryrie Study Bible AD 50s or 60s
Edward P. Sanders, Ph.D. AD 65 to 70
Carsten Peter Thiede, Ph.D. Before AD 62 Director of the Institute for Basic Epistemological Research in Paderborn, Germany
Edward J. Tinsley, Ph.D. AD 60 to 70
Joseph B. Tyson, Ph.D. AD 70 AD
J. Wenham, Ph.D. AD 45
Franklin W. Young, Ph.D. AD 65 to 70
J. Walvoord and R. Zuck AD 57 to 57 The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures
Luke

Mark C. Black, Ph.D. AD 65 to 85
Believer's Study Bible, A date of A.D. 59–61 is most probable.
Raymond Brown, Ph.D. AD 85, give or take 5 to 10 years
F.F. Bruce, Ph.D. shortly before 70 AD
D.A. Carson, R.T. France, and G.J. Wenham, eds. New Bible Commentary: 21 Century Edition, 60 to 65 CE
Hans Conzelmann, Th.D. AD 80 - 100 for Luke-Acts, with a likely range of AD 80 - 90 Professor of New Testament at Gottingem, ThD from Tubingen (Yet again, the recognized HEIGHT of European liberal Bibliccal-Critical Scholarship)
Author of one of THE BEST Critical, Academic Commentaries on Acts.
M. G. Easton M. A., D. D., AD 60 or 63, when Luke was in Caesarea
James M. Efird, Ph.D. AD 75 to 80
English Standard Version Bible Early 60s AD
David A. Fiensy, Ph.D. Before AD 62, perhaps between 58 and 60
Joseph A. Fitzmyer, Ph.D. AD 80 to 85
Norval Geldenhuys, Th.M. AD 64-65
Donald Guthrie, Ph.D. AD 63 to 64
William Hendriksen, Ph.D. AD 61-63
A.E. Hill, Ph.D. AD 60
John Holland, Ph.D. AD 68-78
R. Jamieson, A.R. Fausset, and D. Brown, eds. AD 50 to 60
Professor of New Testament at Trinity College, Bristol England
Luke Timothy Johnson, Ph.D. AD 80 - 85 for Luke (perhaps a bit earlier ...
he hedges toward 75 CE at times) - Professor of New Testament at Emory
University, Candler School of Theology
Howard Clark Kee, Ph.D. AD 85
Werner Georg Kummel, Ph.D. AD 70 to 90
Richard C.H. Lenski, D.D. After AD 66, but before 70
John MacArthur, Ph.D. approximately AD 60
K.E. Malberg, AD 59 to 61
I. Howard Marsall, Not far off A.D. 70
Bruce Metzger, Ph.D. AD 75 to 85
M.S. Mills, Ph.D. AD 53
John Nolland, Ph.D. late AD 60's to late 70's
S.L. Peterson, AD 75 Timeline Charts of the Western Church
J.A.T. Robinson, Ph.D. Complete by AD 62
T. Robinson, AD 85 to 90 The Bible Timeline
Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Th.D., Ph.D., Ryrie Study Bible AD 60
Edward P. Sanders, Ph.D. AD 75 to 85
Edward Schweizer, Ph.D. AD 80 to 85
Professor of New Testament at the University of Zurich (Again, about as
Critical and liberal as they come)
Carsten Peter Thiede, Ph.D. Prior to AD 62 Director of the Institute for Basic Epistemological Research in Paderborn, Germany
Edward J. Tinsley, Ph.D. AD 75 to 80
Joseph B. Tyson, Ph.D. 120 to 125 CE "I think there was an earlier version of Luke in circulation 70 to 90 CE." Professor emeritus of Religious Studies at SMU
Franklin W. Young, Ph.D. AD 80 to 90
J. Walvoord and R. Zuck AD 58 to 60 The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures
John

Daniel L. Akin,

Hey yahua

Where did you get the idea that he 'went flying on the clouds of Heaven and sits at the right hand of the Power of the Most High' was 'fulfilled' in Luke 24:51

You did know (didn't you) that the Greek words,

"Kai anepheroto eis ton huranon,"

["and he was carried up into heaven"] are not found in the earliest Manuscript Textual copies of Luke, but was added later to the earliest texts?

Codex Sinaiticus omits it, and Codex Bezae Biglot (from AD 330) omits the phrase as well as p52 (from c. AD 240)...

Even Nestle-Aland omits the phrase from their latest 'reconstructed' Greek Text of the NT (what version are they working on, version 24 or something by now--23 attempts and they STILL can't seem to get it right, apparently)

Either way, I think you are way off in la-la land on this one. And even if the text DID include such cloudy 1st century Midrashic pre-scientific nonsense, we would have to ask ourselves:

Where (exactly) is the good Rabbi now, floating somewhere between Uranus and Pluto by now?

Look, the Kingdom never came, and there were no clouds that rabbi's go floating up into...and if you believe in talking snakes, and in virgin births, and in suns and moons that stand still only to start moving again, then I suggest you go back to school and learn some basic astronomy -- and take a Greek class while your at it so you can read what's NOT in your texts !!

reply to post by infolurker


hey infolurker quick question how many times has your beloved bible been written since the original king james addition? :bnghd:

reply to post by allprowolfy


Hmm, "records of His birth"...;

The "Star of Bethlehem" (marking the Lords birth) is known to have been a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in constellation Pisces in 7 BCE:

An ancient Babylonian clay tablet dated to 8 BCE, which describes the celestial events for then upcoming 13 months shows that Jupiter and Saturn would remain together in the constellation of Pisces for eleven months and come in close conjunction three times.

Since the Babylonian lunar year begins at the vernal equinox (March/April), the tablet's description refers to the period, March/April 7 BCE - March/April 6 BCE. the tablet says "Month 10, the first of which (December 23) will follow the 29th of the previous month. Jupiter and Saturn in Pisces, Venus in Scorpio, Mars in Aquarius...."

Four copies of astronomical tablets describing celestial activities in 7 BCE are known to have survived. This means that Babylonian astronomers were thoroughly familiar with the movements of the stars and planets, and hand carried tablets or sent by caravan tablet copies to fellow "Magid".

In the Babylonian system Jupiter represented the star of Marduk, the supreme Babylonian god. Saturn was the "Steady One." The constellation Pisces was associated with Ea, the god of wisdom, life and creation. The conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in Pisces predicts from Babylonian's viewpoint "the end of an old system and the birth of a new reign chosen by the "God" of the heavens.

The triple conjunction is rare, occurring every 800 years.
Since 7BCE, triple conjunctions were observed in 786 and 1583.

First conjunction: May 27, only early before 5 am in the East sky.
Second conjunction: October 7, (this one all night being the first day of "Jewish" Tabernacles (when His Birth occurred -John 1:14 "dwelt").
Third conjunction: December 1, until just after midnight setting 12:22 am (this was the Biblical three kings "Magi" event).


This coincided with a call of Roman Senate to enroll the province of Syria for taxing.

Julian 'the apostate' so called since he was raised as a Christian yet renounced and became an enemy of Christianity when he came to the imperial throne as Emperor in the year 361. As Emperor he had access to all the imperial records and so wrote; "Jesus, whom you celebrate, was one of Caesar's subjects. If you dispute it, I will prove it.....for yourselves allow that he was enrolled by his father and mother at the time of Cyrenius."

The works of Justin Martyr and Tertullian are relevant in that they appeal to the records of the Romans. Such were evidently still extant at the time, and so could have and would have been gladly used by the opponents of Christianity at the time.
Justin Martyr (born 105 AD) says: "Now there is a village in the land of the Jews, thirty five stadia from Jerusalem, in which Christ was born, as you can ascertain also from the registries of the taxing under Quirinius your first procurator in Judea." (First Apology, chapter 34.)
Tertullian (born 160 AD) also appeals to the Romans own records referrring to the same enrolment event:
"There is historical proof that at this very time a census had been taken in Judea by Sentius Saturninus, which might have satisfied their inquiry repsecting the family and descent of Christ." (Marcion 4.19).


[edit on 2010/4/1 by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU]

reply to post by Blue Shift


Thanks for your reply Blue Shift...

Yeah, you came with some interesting questions....

I think that He will not come for promoting His new book or to win souls.

As a matter of fact I think that He will not spent much time convincing people that He is the one and only. He will be here to fight....





:bash:

Originally posted by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU
Why not go get the Book and look IT up for yourself, here I'll introduce you!


His name Ye'ShUaA spelled Yud Shin Vauv Ayin
(Strongs'#3442-3443, #3444 adds letter He as a noun)
is Ye' -the 3rd person singular 'HE', and the word
ShUaA (#7768-7773) meaning "Stowing-up (as treasure)"
it occurs 77 very significant times total in the TeNaCh:

1) Ge.49.18
2) Ex.14.13
3) 15.2
4) Dt.32.15
5) 1Sa.2.1
6) 14.45
7) 2Sa.22.51
:
:
:
77) Hb.3.8

[edit on 2010/3/31 by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU]

You are joking, right?

What you showed me is exactly the reason why I opened this thread.

The responses so far tell me that there is difference in expectations and opinion.

reply to post by infolurker


" The abomination of desolation ". Thats a pretty powerful title is'nt it. Gotta ask yourself... i wonder if hebrew were evolved enough to have a word for Desolation.... or abomination for that matter.

The only answer to sate any athiest ( such as the OP ) is this;

" If he is real you will know when you are dead "

So if your eyes finnaly close and nothing happend... know the second you feel life end that he never was, and many people fell to the form of control most prodominant in the middle east since 2k years ago. And that you didnt.

reply to post by Droguza


Where did you get the idea that I am an atheist? It almost feel that you are trying me to say things I rather not.

Thurd line..

Jesus aka Captain Vague answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

I like this... 'wars and rumours of wars', 'nation will rise against nation' & 'famines and earthquakes in various places'. Such precise signs to look for! I mean really, why not just save your breath and say 'how long's a piece of string'?

Jesus will most definately have to make a grand entrance, because otherwise there's a straightjacket with his name on it waiting in a mental institution somewhere.

reply to post by zatara


Im more interested in how he will be visable to all personally. Its scientifically impossible to be visable to every human on this planet. Unless you are the planet. What im interested in the most is why someone from Europe would be so mentally involved with a religion that spawned from the middle east. The bible is where it belongs in the library, middle eastern myths and legends.