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Richardson Orders National Guard To Patrol Mexican Border

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posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
So, now you're defending the drug cartels?

No, I didn't say that, did I? But seriously, who really is to blame for all that border cartel violence? Do you also blame the processed food companies for people being fat? Do you blame the tobacco companies for lung cancer? Just who is ULTIMATELY responsible for creating those drug cartels? Hum? Be honest now. Who is funding them? Hum?

No, I'm not defending those cartels, but really, lets be truthful and logically here .. them cartels wouldn't exist if not for all the american junkies on this side of the border. I blame the junkies FIRST. Deport THEM and the drug cartels would have no reason to bring their products here for sale because there would be no demand. It's the same with prostitution .. I blame the johns!

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 12:55 AM
The issue here is to stop the violence from affecting border states.
The problem is not caused by illegal immigration. It is caused by drug cartels.
Some of the most violent people recruited by the cartels come from Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras. They do the dirty and bloody work for the Mexican cartels.
The National Guard will not be of any use as long as the USA keeps ranking as the world's #1 drug consumer.

Ever thought of that?

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 01:55 AM
Have we learned nothing from history? deploying troops on US soil is cool?, these guys are nowhere near cops who are trained to enforce laws, make arrests, testify in court, process evidence.. thats not the guards function... there is a reason law enforcement must pass psychological evaluations, background checks and all that.. you really want some easily corruptible broke ass guardsmen who works at wendys dealing with cartels who shovel bribe money around?

The US govt and people learned a long time ago: it's a fact that prohibition causes violence. And creates an omnipresent criminal underground that will never ever be defeated with violence, laws, or incarceration. It's also been proven over the years these criminal undergrounds can effortlessly bribe & corrupt officials again and again no matter how harsh the deterrent.

The govt has been losing the war on drugs since forever ago because it can't be, and will never be, won "fighting" with tactics that have proven to fail, erode rights, restrict freedoms. In case you haven't noticed, just like the war on terror, WE are all the enemy in this war.. we get sniffed, scanned, stripped, stopped "subject to search", subjected to more laws, rules, regulations, detained and fondled.

Cheering for the deployment people trained for war, not police work, on US soil to engage in futility... is supporting a proven money wasting rights eroding failure that only benefits the elite..

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 07:29 AM
there was an update this morning...
on this mornings TV news an announcement was made that a Ranchers Safety meeting would be held today, hosted by the state police.
No details on what will be addressed...

I don't have a link yet but will post one if they post it...

Also as reported by fox news there were more pleas for the Federal Government to step in... no reply from Washington, yet...

[edit on 1-4-2010 by DaddyBare]

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 08:55 AM
reply to post by Divinorumus

You know what this reminds me of? "Hey, all you *******, get back to where your kind belongs, this place is only for us ******! Refuse, and we will hang your kind from the highest tree."

Actually, no it's not. I'll fill you in on what is occurring in another current hot spot for us in Texas. The cartels threatened to kill the school children unless the families agreed to pay 5,000 pesos each.

AMERICA allowed the threatened children to come across the border and ENROLL IN AMERICAN SCHOOLS. AMERICA is one of the most accommodating countries in the world when it comes to ILLEGAL immigrants. We even have safe haven cities and children of illegals are allowed to enroll in our schools. They're allowed to use our hospitals, etc.

There's another thread around that even contrasts our attitude towards illegals (medical care, education, humane treatment, etc.) vs. other countries that shoot them, arrest them, deprive them of humane treatment, etc.

We've had problems with illegal immigration for years. The reason something is being down now with the national guard is NOT because 'Oh no! We can't let the brown people in!' It's due to the violence that is breaking out at the borders, even with cartels threatening to kill children.

If what you say is true, they would not have let those families come and enroll their children in school. Instead, they let the innocent refuges flee here for safety but are trying to protect OUR CITIZENS against the drug cartels.

These are not 'huddled masses yearning to breathe free.' These are evil men murdering people, raping people, torturing people, and threatening to attack school children.

That is why something is being down now instead of earlier just due to illegal immigration in general. One of our friends down here is one of the head leaders of the border patrol in our state. He says it is not what the media states about everything being lovey dovey and peaceful. He says there are gun fights every single night.

So there is a big difference between refugees seeking a better life vs. violent criminals trying to kill innocents.


Fort Hancock Texss – Residents of a small Mexican border town under siege by at least one of the country’s most notorious drug cartels are fleeing into a tiny Texas community, which is on high alert and preparing for a surge of illegal immigrants should a street battle break out with another cartel – or if gunmen begin carrying out a threat to start killing the town’s children.

At least 30 residents of El Porvenir, located about four miles from the Texas border town of Fort Hancock, have crossed into the U.S. and asked for political asylum, telling authorities that they fear for their lives. Fort Hancock officials tell that they consider the situation serious.

“We just got word that the cartel has threatened to kill children in schools across the border unless parents paid $5000 pesos,” said Mike Doyle, chief deputy sheriff of Hudspeth County. And that time might come sooner than later. Schools Superintendent Jose Franco said word has spread that everyone in the Mexican town must stay indoors while members of rival cartels prepare for a shootout.

We're HELPING the innocent and protecting us all against the criminals.

[edit on 4/1/2010 by AshleyD]

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Phlynx
This is one reason I don't believe in borders. It causes violence ON BOTH SIDES.

Good idea.

Let's get rid of borders.

Oh, wait... I almost forgot about the constitution.

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 09:16 AM
reply to post by AshleyD

Thank you for that update.... things really are heating up round here aren't they... to add to your post... is was just a few days ago we with had this headline

Three men walked into the Fort Hancock High School gymnasium last month during a basketball game, setting off worries they were drug cartel members sent to deliver a message. Parent Maria Aguilar said a panic swept through the gym and subsided only once they left.

Wilson said a suspicious car was noticed following a packed school bus earlier this year. Rumors that the car belonged to cartel members never were validated, but after other suspicious cars were spotted, the department began following buses.

One Fort Hancock High student picked up for truancy told a judge he was too scared to go to class after witnessing a murder in Mexico. Police say his mother and grandfather were tortured with ice picks last week in El Pornevir, Mexico, just across the Rio Grande. The two remained in an El Paso hospital Monday while the student was in protective custody, Hudspeth County Constable J.E. Sierra said.

Ten miles down the road in Fabens, fliers in the teacher's lounges ask faculty to watch for a gunman wanted for four killings in Ciudad Juárez. He's the father of two boys at the middle school

I know there's folks that think were just wanting to keep the Mexicans out but that's not even close, truth is those of us who live here, are now looking over our shoulders keeping a closer eye on our kids, making sure family and friends are taken care of... not outright fear but we do worry...

[edit on 1-4-2010 by DaddyBare]

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 12:54 PM
reply to post by DaddyBare

Are U.S. troops on our Southern border to keep the Mexicans out of the U.S. or the Americans in the U.S.?

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Toot Sweet
reply to post by DaddyBare

Are U.S. troops on our Southern border to keep the Mexicans out of the U.S. or the Americans in the U.S.?

Might be the NG was sent in to prevent the locals from having themselves a bloodbath... after all, you can only take so much before you push back right?
Go read this story Border Trouble Concerns Residents

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Phlynx
This is one reason I don't believe in borders. It causes violence ON BOTH SIDES.

Oh, good! I guess that you wont mind if me and a bunch of my friends show up at your house and plant ourselve in front of your big screen and eat your food.

You wouldn't want to oppose us crossing your homes borders since you don't believe in borders anyway. That might cause violence you know.

It is nice to know there are decent people like you who uphold our rights to no borders! Yay! We'll be there around six. THANKS!

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 01:12 PM
Well, this is concerning:

Apparently the community had been begging for help because they were being terrorized by people crossing the border.

It's not the families trying to come over to provide a better life for their children, it's the gangs, criminals and drug runners causing an issue. As with anything, one bad apple...

It's really sad, but something has to be done to protect U.S. citizens. If not, I only see more bloodshed coming.

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 01:20 PM
reply to post by Lolliek

I agree with 100% sad but something needs to be done right NOW...

but I must say as more and more of these disturbing reports come in it looks very much like America has been under ATTACT for some time but TPTB turned their backs until now... Well maybe I can send a case of ammo to the town of Rodeo, sounds like they might need it soon

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 01:20 PM
sorry double post

[edit on 1-4-2010 by DaddyBare]

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 02:22 PM
many of the post here are correct. It is the mexican drug cartels and all the money they are making shipping drugs to the us that are causing all the vilolence.
I propose we create our own cartels, grow, harvest and distribute Home grown drugs to American users. We are shipping billions to mexico in drug payments that would otherwise be spent here in the US if we had our own drug industry. BUY AMERICAN!
we cannot allow a drug cartel gap! Think of all the energy we could save not having to transport coke and pot from latin america.
Our border guards could go back to counting the number of illeagls crossing our border instead of having to go out of their way to make sure the drug mules do not get bothered.
Think of all the jobs that would be created. crop production and harvesting, processing, distribution networks, sales staff, quality control, and as a plus for all you liberals out there, we could easlily get all these workers to unionize via the new card check regulations and thereby increase the dwindling union rolls, thereby providing another source of campaign contributions for the left.

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 02:39 PM
well it is a good jesture... but sadly it is not going to last long... because the annointed one wants those illegals votes and he is going to do it to get them any way he can...

But I give credit to Richardson... he is doing a lot more than anyone in the oval has done or for that matter anyone in the congress...

I expect more shady back alley deals from all of them....

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 03:28 PM
I love the National Guard being out there. They should do this same thing here in Texas and other border states. In fact I feel they should also put private military contractors out there as well as the National Guard. (I know of about five or six different companies out there they could call.)

posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 05:37 PM
reply to post by DaddyBare

Hello neighbor , I haven't heard if the 4 corners national guard in Farmington is being deployed . We recently had a new group formed here MPs which added to the existing NG force . Considering being MPs they should be better equipped to handle the policing the border for across border cartel violence .

For years even up here we have had the trouble of the low class drug dealers from the south of the border , They really give the migrant workers a bad name .

Love your signature

You really want to know if you can "Trust your Government"? Ask any Indain....

SO true ,

posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 02:04 PM
Heck. I take it back. As a matter of fact I will also go over there MYSELF with my gun and uniform on and volunteer to help the national guardsmen and border-patrol, etc, secure the Texas/Mexico border. I'll even see about taking some friends/coworkers with me who are off-duty sheriff's deputies.

posted on Apr, 2 2010 @ 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Phedreus
many of the post here are correct. It is the mexican drug cartels and all the money they are making shipping drugs to the us that are causing all the vilolence.

Or it's the anti plant matter laws. An amazing trend has occurred in los angeles since ending prohibition of one particular plant: gang, er "cartel", violence and crime are down to 30 year lows.

Maybe the federal govt should catch a clue from this, AND the previous lessons learned from ending prohibition rather than following the epic fail model of throwing more guns & money at a "war" the govt and the people are clearly losing... rights, money, resources.. the only "winners" are the elite who are raking in WOD cash.

Since ending 1 form of prohibition & removing criminal gangs from the plant dealing business: 2010 Vs 2008
Gang related crime overall -20.4%
Murders -19.6%
Rape -50.0%
Aggravated assault: -24.5%
Criminal threats: -19.8%
Shots fired: -17.3%
Victims shot: -22.7%

In some bureaus gang crime has been reduced by nearly a 3rd: central -29.9%, south (watts, south central) -22.5%, west -30.4%

LAPD crime stats .pdf:

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