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Chechen rebel says he ordered Moscow Metro attacks

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posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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Chechen rebel says he ordered Moscow Metro attacks


news.bbc.co.uk

Chechen rebel leader Doku Umarov has said his group was behind Monday's double suicide bombings on the Moscow Metro, which left 39 people dead.

In a video message posted on a Chechen rebel website, he said he had personally ordered the attacks.

He said they were carried out to avenge the killings of "poor Chechens" by Russian security forces in February and warned Russia to prepare for more.
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[EDIT] Edit to add second Source




[edit on 10/3/31 by Magnum007]




posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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I guess we now know for sure who committed the attacks on Monday. Doku Umarov has warned that he would attack again and that "The war will come to your street"...

Bloodiness everywhere... Palestine, Greece, Russia, soon the US... This world is starting to get worse and worse... I really hope that we come to some solution sometime soon...

Keeping the peace,

Magnum

news.bbc.co.uk
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posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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Oh please......the world is not anymore violent than it was 100 years ago. It's just that people are bombarded with news of violence across the world every minute on T.V. Have you ever heard of the Ludlow massacre? Or strikebreaks of the early 19th century? Well if you're an American you should have. What are the chances of anything like that happening in the US nowadays? Overall the world is probably a safer place. Anyways, godbless the Chechyn people. I'm proud that there are still human beings in this world willing to rise up and fight for what they believe in even if it involves violence and unfortunate death of innocent civillians....because afterall how many of us are really "innocent"??????????

Some of these derive from a desire for revenge for past Russian military and political action in the region, especially the forced relocation in the 1940s of the entire population to Middle Asia, resulting in the estimated death of a quarter of the population.

These people believe in their god given right to sovereignty........and of course we've been led to believe how evil and bad they are........terrorists. As usual we are brainwashed. Russia is no different than the USA.....one of the most corrupt and ruthless nations on the planet.



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 04:45 PM
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Yeah, such a corrupt Russian government. These poor Chechens are totally justified because of Russian aggression. Obviously the Russian government has no right to counter-attack massacres conducted by Chechen terrorists because of something that apparently happened 60+ years ago



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 04:54 PM
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well said. i too support the chechens in their cause and always have. i can get even more controversial and say Shamil Basayev was a great man. Did he take hostages at beslan school? yes he did. DId he kill all of those children? no he did not. and neither did his men. What killed them was the indescriminate fire by OMON and FSB troops who recklessly stormed the places. unfortunately for the chechen people their hopes of being a seperate and free nation has been crushed but the resistance continues... for the most part peace has come to chechnya again but only because of the ruthless leader moscow has put into place as president. Kadyrov is a former rebel turned moscow strongman whose father was puppet president before him before he was blown up in a bombing at a stadium in grozny. Another great leader of chechen resistance was saudi born al-khattab. dont believe everything you hear people. not once have the chechens or anyone from their cause done anything to americans or american interests.. they have even sought american help and there are some sources that say they do in fact recieve CIA support... but yeah. last time a wave of bombings hit the motherland they invaded chechnya 2nd time, whats in store for the people of the caucasus this time



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by TheCoffinman
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i can get even more controversial and say Shamil Basayev was a great man. Did he take hostages at beslan school? yes he did. DId he kill all of those children? no he did not. and neither did his men. What killed them was the indescriminate fire by OMON and FSB troops who recklessly stormed the places.


What are you talking about? Basayev's men stood on pressure plate detonators during the Beslan seige, the Spetsnaz assault started immediately after one of those idiot terrorists stepped off of a plate and blew up 300 people, mostly children.

Such a hero Basayev was.



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by TheCoffinman
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well said. i too support the chechens in their cause and always have. i can get even more controversial and say Shamil Basayev was a great man. Did he take hostages at beslan school? yes he did. DId he kill all of those children? no he did not. and neither did his men. What killed them was the indescriminate fire by OMON and FSB troops who recklessly stormed the places.



So ignorant and arrogant.
May your children never get the chance to meet such a great man in action.

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posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Yeah, such a corrupt Russian government. These poor Chechens are totally justified because of Russian aggression. Obviously the Russian government has no right to counter-attack massacres conducted by Chechen terrorists because of something that apparently happened 60+ years ago


You are completely wrong and you should do some homework
You can't skim through articles and expect to understand it all

Russia has been and still is destabalizing Chechnya, more destabalization equals less strenght to seperate.

Not only that Chechnya has alot of oil, look where it is on top of that it's right next to the caspian sea, look at a map. It's the same reason why there's american trooops guarding oil pipelines in Georgia and have a puppet govt. in Georgia.

Russia takes Chechnya's oil and the Chechens get like less than 2% of the revenue in return.

I am not defending attacks on subways with innocent people that have nothing to do with that, but who knows man.
Russia just recently bombed Chechnya too



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by TheCoffinman
well said. i too support the chechens in their cause and always have.


Too bad you know nothing about the Chechen conflict and its circumstances.

What Chechens do you support? The militant rebels fighting for money or the civilian Chechens? Because they are now two very separate groups.



Originally posted by TheCoffinman
i can get even more controversial and say Shamil Basayev was a great man.


You can also say the same about Osama Bin Laden by that extent.



Originally posted by TheCoffinman
Did he take hostages at beslan school? yes he did. DId he kill all of those children? no he did not. and neither did his men. What killed them was the indescriminate fire by OMON and FSB troops who recklessly stormed the places.


You speak about the tragic event, knowing nothing about what transpired. The terrorists started the shooting, by accidentally setting off an explosive. There wasn't indiscriminate fire from the federal forces. The forces that were around the school had no choice but to react and try to save as many people as they could. The vast majority of hostages died due to the explosives set up by the terrorists.

Please get your facts straight to avoid looking like a fool with the nonesense you post.



Originally posted by TheCoffinman
Another great leader of chechen resistance was saudi born al-khattab.


Who is now being raped in hell by the devil himself thank God. If you think Khattab is a hero, then you have serious psychological problems, or a very ill agenda.



Originally posted by TheCoffinman
dont believe everything you hear people. not once have the chechens or anyone from their cause done anything to americans or american interests..


And thats why Americans should love them?



Originally posted by TheCoffinman
they have even sought american help and there are some sources that say they do in fact recieve CIA support...


And CIA is such an honest, trustworthy, humane, and loved agency which never does anything wrong, right?

They also played together with Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Noriega. The Chechen terrorists will fit right in with this jolly group of heroes.



Originally posted by TheCoffinman
but yeah. last time a wave of bombings hit the motherland they invaded chechnya 2nd time, whats in store for the people of the caucasus this time


Sorry to disappoint you, but your heroes - Chechen rebels and insurgents - are going to get liquidated. And they aren't meeting no 72 virgins either, unless you consider worms and leeches crawling through their brains.



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Some of these derive from a desire for revenge for past Russian military and political action in the region, especially the forced relocation in the 1940s of the entire population to Middle Asia, resulting in the estimated death of a quarter of the population.


Revenge leads to a never ending vendetta. Everyone just goes on killing each other back and forth as revenge, and no one remembers how the conflict even started.

Virtually everyone on earth has motives for revenge against someone else. Someone's country invaded someone 50, 100, or 500 years ago, and that sort of thing. Where do you put a stop to revenge and draw the line? Can Native Americans today kill and terrorize other Americans for what was done hunderds of years ago? Can Jews kills Germans? Can half of Asia take revenge on Mongolia for the hordes' invasions?



Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
These people believe in their god given right to sovereignty


Does everyone whose ancestors were hurt or discriminated against by the government deserve sovereignty? God knows we would have a few hundred thousand countries at least with this kind of logic.



Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
........and of course we've been led to believe how evil and bad they are........terrorists. As usual we are brainwashed.


Yep - nothing evil or wrong about killing innocent civilians.


If they aren't terrorist who are they? Demolition experts? They are no freedom fighters, since you can't win freedom or independence with these sorts of senseless acts.



Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Russia is no different than the USA.....one of the most corrupt and ruthless nations on the planet.


And which large nation isn't? History of nations and in fact of civilization is a just that - screwing somebody and occasionally getting screwed. Is that any justification to continue the cycle of violence to this day?


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posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Russia has been and still is destabalizing Chechnya, more destabalization equals less strenght to seperate.


And do you care to describe the state of Chechnya before the Russians intervened for the first time in 1994. The Chechen separatists had an opportunity for independence from 1991 to 1994. They turned the country into a run down gang state with no laws and constant infighting. They forced hundreds of thousands of Russians who lived in Chechnya to flee, killing many in the process. They raided neighboring states and acted a major drug and arms traffic highway. They had a second chance at independence from 1996 to 1999 - and it turned out even worse then before. The radicals attacked a neighboring republic of Dagestan in 1999.

Please do tell - what did Russia destabalize, or rather what was left to destabilize?

I can't believe how many people here claim to be experts on the topic of Chechnya and lecture others, when they know little about the subject.



Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Not only that Chechnya has alot of oil


Wrong. Chechnya does not have a lot of oil. It did act as a transport pipeline and refinery hub for oil from Azerbaijan and the Caspian Sea back in the Soviet era. It does not have significant oil resources itself.



Originally posted by ModernAcademia
look where it is on top of that it's right next to the caspian sea, look at a map.


Much of Chechnya consists of mountains, where there is no oil. The Caspian basin oil resources are primarily in the flatlands near the sea, or under the sea itself.



Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Russia takes Chechnya's oil and the Chechens get like less than 2% of the revenue in return.


No it does not. There is no oil production there.

Seriously where are you getting this stuff from? Sources? Care to back it up in any way.



Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Russia just recently bombed Chechnya too


Care to point out when? Again you are stating incorrect information. I don't know if you are making it up, or if you misread or misunderstood something.



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