reply to post by trueperspective
I'll take a stab at this...
ANSWERS from an BORN-AGAIN Atheist:
>> First, it is NOT a religion -- even if someone annoyed you. People have strong opinions and might badger you that "American Idol" is awesome.
That doesn't mean that watching people sing every week is a religion. If I do not believe in a Flat Earth -- I don't need to go to church to prove
GRAVITY and that the earth is round -- the ABSENCE of a theory or a religion is not proof of a theory or a religion. If someone says; "I'm an
Atheist" -- then they aren't really religious. You may HAVE a religion -- that doesn't mean you are ANTI-Atheist does it? Just as people who are
not for mother's having babies unplanned are FOR killing babies -- this is just trying to negatively frame the argument. Fewer babies end up dying in
countries that make abortion legal and give women rights -- so instead of moralizing -- we just want a GOOD RESULT. Are you against Moms but for
1) No, it's primates. Your "assumption" that an Atheist might not think that Aliens or some other "intelligent life form" might have tinkered
with Humans is nonsense. It is just as likely as anything -- however; the SCIENCE that proposes the various theories of evolution are solid on one
fact; LIFE ON EARTH EVOLVES.
The "Intelligent Design" argument cannot be proven or disproven -- so it isn't even a theory yet in scientific circles. It's an interesting
thought -- but really, it was just an excuse to weaken Evolution Science in text books -- the "Intelligent Designer" gets to be Gawd and not really
a green alien.
2) I do accept "a God" -- just not any sort of "The God" who is going to bail us out, and has an infinite Universe as a backdrop with us on a
pedestal. We are probably one of an infinite number of lifeforms in this infinite Universe -- so a "god" is inevitable.
"Saying GOSH DARN" is not really anything more than our culture. It's not a sign of religiousness -- just a sign that it's a common meme.
3) I despise ignorance --- and using a "book of peace" to justify prejudice, war and oppression is sad if not ironic. Being dedicated to
"unprovable TRUTHS" as a sign that you are a good Christian, used to be something I can tolerate. but more and more, it appears to me as something
dangerous, because it allows for people to be manipulated. I hold out a sliver of thought that it would be NICE if Jesus were something real -- maybe
even an "afterlife" -- though I doubt many of us can retain any identity past getting knocked on the head -- much less for eternity. If everybody
concentrated on making this world a better place, and "contemplated" all this other spiritual stuff -- but never fought over it. That would be
really, really NICE.
4) Nothing is organized about Atheists. They are just annoyed and many of them are FORMER Christians. At a Unitarian Church I've gone to (no, they
are not even MOSTLY Atheists), we have many former Jesuits and Catholics. Most of them are quite aware of what is being taught -- the LEAST angry
Atheists are most likely NOT former Christians.
Again, you are saying this is a religion, which is nonsense. You repeating something over and over does not make it so. How do you define a religion
besides having some sort of "dogma?" Dogmatic people are annoying -- so, people debating about Windows and Macintosh are "religious" -- perhaps
only in the sense that religion typifies debates that are never settled and nobody bothering to listen. That doesn't seem to me, anything other than
There is no huge attack on religion -- just a lot of people making jokes.
5) You'll have to look up "Cult" sometime. Not all religious people are brainwashed; just the people who became religious after;
a) they became "christian" when they were 4 years old and unable to use critical thought
b) replaced an addiction like "drugs" with the same fervency (addictive personality)
c) had their ego crushed by some trauma or depression -- basically, not arriving at the decision through strength.
The rest merely convinced themselves and were NOT brainwashed.
Repeating points made by other people means what? Ramming an idea down other's throats -- you mean like Mangers on Christmas? Trying to get kids in
school to do "prayer" and notice how uncomfortable the people are NOT murmuring their Hail Mary's?
6) Are we repeating here? Your'e saying it's OK for you to cram opinions down other's throats but not for them to defend themselves? I guess
that's the whole point behind "saving souls" -- since you are trying to prevent me from everlasting torture, I suppose you've got more of a right.
Until we "up the anti" we have no defense for our Hypocrisy -- so you have my apology.
7) You see, if the stories are real -- God really does suck -- it's pretty hard for me to get this "he changed his standards" when the Jews were
massacring everyone. If these stories are NOT true, then the Bible is full of crap -- which historically, it's on shaky ground, unless you listen to
all the people who say; "everything got proven" over and over. If you are a Christian, however, stop reading the "Bible" and use the "New
You are not following the logic here; If true -- then bad, if False -- then of course, God isn't so bad, but the bible isn't about him but a bunch
The Net Testament, by the way, is ripped off from previous myth's of a Son of god, 12 disciples and coming back to life -- it's a popular theme,
older than the planet.
8) 2+2 =4. Now you try it -- you should be able to come up with the same number. The only "unquestioning reading" going on here is with the
religious side. Science has to prove itself, and has methods to overturn previous theories -- it doesn't pretend to have all the answers. Science and
Religion can co-exist. It isn't an either-or thing and Science doesn't try to PROVE God doesn't exist. But the Miracles, are more and more
reproducible through science -- so if God is going to help us out in some observable way, He'd better hurry up or we'll be re-growing bodies and
even evil people will live a long, long time.
For all their "faith" in "eternal rewards"--- Christians seem to cling to life with more tenacity than most unbelievers I know.
9) I find it hard to believe that there is any point to torturing someone for "all eternity." For that matter, singing hymns on a cloud where YOU
are YOU forever and ever and ever and ever -- seems almost as bad and pointless. Re-incarnation makes more sense to me. Personally, I figure I'm just
part of a larger consciousness that "samples" my life, and I'll be re-absorbed. It's just a THEORY however and I'm working on some tests I could
10) The # of people who say something does NOT compel the Universe to make it true. MOST of the beliefs held by people throughout human history have
been wrong -- are you trying to go against precedent? Are you interested in blood-letting and taking spoonfuls of mercury? Einstein was just one guy
-- one really smart guy. He was right and thousands of Physicists before him were wrong on some key issues. TRUTH, isn't about taking a vote -- it
exists outside of us and is part of reality.