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I'm not saying that it is completely illogical or ignorant to be atheist. All I am saying is that just as religious people are passionate about their beliefs, so are atheist. If you don't fall into that catagory I commend you.
there's faith and there's blind faith. I really shouldn't have to say no more than that.
Originally posted by Gazrok
I'm not saying that it is completely illogical or ignorant to be atheist. All I am saying is that just as religious people are passionate about their beliefs, so are atheist. If you don't fall into that catagory I commend you.
Atheism, is, in a sense, a religion of faith just as well....faith in science.
The idea of things being "proven" is an example of this faith.[
For example, there is the "theory" of evolution. By definition, this means it's an idea backed up by evidence, but it is not yet the "proven law" of evolution. That said though, it certainly has a lot of evidence...but, even that, doesn't preclude the involvement of a supreme power to put it all in motion...
Many of the ideas scientists hold dear, are still in the "theory" stage, believe it or not...so, anyone who claims these ideas are de-facto correct, is operating from faith...
That said, I am neither Christian, nor atheist (or any other ism...although I guess Agnostic would come close)... I believe there is some kind of force behind it all, and we're not just a happenstance of chance, but I don't believe that man's slapping a label on it, and including a few arcane rituals to make a religion of it, makes it truth....
The Bible was written at a time when nobody new what a rainbow came from or how a volcano erupted, nor did they know anything about microbiology or even how the body functioned. If we understood the natural world we lived in from the begining then god would have never come up. God was born out of mans ignorance, God is Man made. But we created God so that we could tell ourselves and others "We do not need to understand the natural world, we have the GSM and through him or it or whatever we understand the world" And Its so totally bogus...
Originally posted by trueperspective
1 You think the statement “My linage derives from evolved lizards” is more logical then “A higher intelligence created intelligent life on earth, according to their kind.”
2 You don’t accept the idea of God, but you talk about him more then most religious zealots
3 You despise the idea of faith, but you have a hyper-abundant amount of trust in “time and chance”
4 You despise organized religion by being a part of an organized religion against organized religion.
5 You claim that religious people are brainwashed, but you spout off quotes from renowned atheists to defend your beliefs.
6 Your best defense to the idea that religious people cram their beliefs down people’s throats is to cram your beliefs down people’s throats (Richard Dawkins)
7 You say the Bible is utterly made up non-sense, then use stories from it to condemn God…who you claim doesn’t exist.
8 One of your favorite arguments against believing the Bible is that it was written by men, but you unquestioningly believe science text books…written by men
9 You get stark raving mad when someone says God (who doesn’t exist) will send you to Hell (a place that doesn’t exist), and use that as “evidence” that God doesn’t exist.
10 You deny the testimony of countless millions of believers, but trust the research of a few hundred atheist...and call that being "open-minded"
[edit on 31-3-2010 by trueperspective]
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Point of order... Not all Christians are creationists! I can't stress this enough - it annoys me so much as a Christian, that we are always being confused with anti-science creationists!
Vicky
Originally posted by dalepmay
6 Your best defense to the idea that religious people cram their beliefs down people’s throats is to cram your beliefs down people’s throats (Richard Dawkins)
Atheists have never gone door to door to attempt to increase their numbers. They don't have their own TV stations that play 24/7 messages of their beliefs. They do not send fliers to your mailbox trying to convince you to meet with them. Try again.
Originally posted by trueperspective
1 You think the statement “My linage derives from evolved lizards” is more logical then “A higher intelligence created intelligent life on earth, according to their kind.”
2 You don’t accept the idea of God, but you talk about him more then most religious zealots
3 You despise the idea of faith, but you have a hyper-abundant amount of trust in “time and chance”
4 You despise organized religion by being a part of an organized religion against organized religion.
5 You claim that religious people are brainwashed, but you spout off quotes from renowned atheists to defend your beliefs.
6 Your best defense to the idea that religious people cram their beliefs down people’s throats is to cram your beliefs down people’s throats (Richard Dawkins)
7 You say the Bible is utterly made up non-sense, then use stories from it to condemn God…who you claim doesn’t exist.
8 One of your favorite arguments against believing the Bible is that it was written by men, but you unquestioningly believe science text books…written by men
9 You get stark raving mad when someone says God (who doesn’t exist) will send you to Hell (a place that doesn’t exist), and use that as “evidence” that God doesn’t exist.
10 You deny the testimony of countless millions of believers, but trust the research of a few hundred atheist...and call that being "open-minded"
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Vicky32
Yes, because when they go on Fox News and Bill O'Reilly tells Dawkins that he's scared of the good professor...that's a bully pulpit.
I'm sorry, but this statement goes against how the media really is. They don't have a bully pulpit anywhere in the world, they simply are finally being allowed to speak about atheism without being shouted down
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Vicky32
Well, would you please provide examples from New Zealand's media of atheism getting a bully pulpit?
Oh, and I don't live in the USA either, I live in Malta. I just made an incorrect assumption based upon the majority of ATS being from the USA. I apologize.