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update on the westboro baptist church settlement

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posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 12:50 PM
hello ats i just thought i should tell you what fred phelps is up to today

Washington – A father of a Marine killed in Iraq says he won't pay the legal fees of a protest group who picketed at his son's funeral in 2006 – at least not until he hears from the US Supreme Court on the matter.

Albert Snyder, whose son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, was killed in Iraq, learned Friday that a federal appeals court is requiring him to pay more than $16,000 in legal fees to the Westboro Baptist Church, a Christian fundamentalist group that demonstrates during military funerals to gain attention for its antigovernment, antihomosexual message. The group rallied at Matthew Snyder’s funeral in March 2006 in Westminster, Md., chanting antigay slogans and carrying signs such as “Thank God for dead soldiers,” says Albert Snyder’s attorney, Sean Summers.

The group was protesting about 30 feet from the church’s main entrance, and Mr. Snyder had to enter through a separate entrance, Mr. Summers says.

Snyder subsequently sued the Westboro group for emotional distress and won a $5 million judgment. But on appeal, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed, finding in favor of protecting the protesters' free-speech rights. About three weeks ago, the Supreme Court agreed to take the case and is expected to hear it in the fall. (Last year, the high court had declined to take up the issue.) Meanwhile, the circuit court has ordered Snyder, a salesman, to pay the church’s court expenses.

Snyder, of York, Pa., told Fox News on Tuesday that he would not pay the Westboro Baptist Church "until I hear from the Supreme Court."

“It’s fair to say that they are not getting any Christmas cards from Mr. Snyder,” adds Summers, in a phone interview. “He obviously thinks they are despicable and doesn’t understand why they would target him.”

The Westboro group has been protesting at military members’ funerals for years. The church leader, Fred Phelps, preaches that American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan are punishment for the nation’s tolerance of homosexuality. (He was among those banned from Britain last year for fostering hatred or extremism.) The protests have nothing to do with the fallen service members' sexual orientation, and the church says its protests are held within a “lawful distance” of the funerals.

Ultimately, say some, the church protests are a matter of constitutionally protected free speech.

“I really don’t see that [the protest] was a violation of the First Amendment [principles]. It was a violation of decorum and good taste and all sorts of other things, but not a violation of the First Amendment,” says Charles Gittins, a civilian lawyer in Virginia.

But Summers argues that his client’s right to peaceful assembly and freedom of religion were infringed by the protests and that, unlike at a public park where people are free to express themselves, a funeral setting draws a “captive audience” that requires attendees to be in a particular location – they can’t simply walk away.

Westboro Baptist Church, which is based in Kansas, plans to protest in Florida on Wednesday, outside a funeral for a Marine killed in Helmand Province in southern Afghanistan on March 22.

“Military funerals have become pagan orgies of idolatrous blasphemy, where they pray to the dunghill gods of Sodom and play taps to a fallen fool,” states a press release posted on the church’s website, announcing the rally at a memorial service for Lance Cpl. Justin Wilson. At the bottom of the press release are printed the words “Thank God for IEDs,” referring to the roadside bombs that have killed thousands of troops in both wars.

i found it on yahoo

any thoughts?

posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 01:10 PM
*speaking to the military LOUDLY as well as ATS members*

I think it would just be a crying SHAME if a military jet was doing exercises and 'accidentally' dropped a bomb on that church when most (if not all) of the members were in it! Why, it'd be shocking, to say the least!
Or an errant, 'malfunctioning' missile.... Whoopsie!

I would hope I dont read about such a *cough cough* atrocity...

posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 01:25 PM
reply to post by wylekat

thats what im talking about!
i think though that eventually phelps is going to piss off the wrong people
and end up face down in a river or something like that

posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 01:28 PM
I would have hoped someone could have held him back, so someone else would smack 'em.

No, that would have played into their hands, as he did, understandably.

They'll be here in Florida today, huh?

posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 01:53 PM
The problem with the entire issue, is that both sides are correct. There is a time and place for a demonstration, and the attendies of a funeral have the right to not be pestered or hear such while in an emotional state.
I also believe that the decision of the court is just plain wrong to demand that the person who brought the case up to them pay the court costs. Though many people are jumping in and saying that they are going to contribute to the mourning fathers defense fund so he will not have to pay anything. I think that the only way to stop this is to simply not to pay attention and get with the local officials in the area, maybe get a permit to hold a demonstration/parade that would be at least one mile around the area, stating that it would be a private affair, and that those who would seek to protest would not be permitted as it would ruin the moment and reverence for those who are mourning. The group who protests would have to stand 1 mile away from the center of activity and if done right the planners could have it where those attending would be able to get in and out without having to run into that group.

posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 02:20 PM
I was under the impression that most towns require a permit for a picketing assembly. Did the nasty baptists have a permit? Also, if they blocked the entrance to the funeral home so that the father had to detour and if those attending felt threatened to walk through the crowd....wouldn't that be false imprisonment?

Anyhow, I think it should be becoming clearer to everyone who the anti-christ (plural) really is. "Anti-" means 'in place of'. These religious groups may carry the name "christian" as a disguise, but their actions are "in place of" the fruits by which Jesus said his sheep would be recognized.

When will people start using their perception to see? That is the only true vision.

posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 02:30 PM
reply to post by sdcigarpig

The problem with the entire issue, is that both sides are correct.

Ought to read what the Southern Poverty Law site quoted. These people (the baptistsssssss), and I quote- said (the website said 'hissed at her') to a girl going into a performing arts center with her father:

One little girl, going with her parents to see the "Nutcracker" ballet in a Topeka hall, had WBC pickets hiss at her: "Did your Daddy stick in his (censored) in your (Censored) last night?"

Does that sound like 'correct' demonstrating to you? Sounds more like they put the 'demon' in 'demonstrating' to me!

Edited: Here's the link right to the page.


[edit on 31-3-2010 by wylekat]

posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 11:35 AM
As a former Marine, I pray I run into these clowns somewhere.


posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 11:55 AM
Even from a Biblical viewpoint, they've got it plain wrong.
"God is doing such-and-such
and this is the reason why he's doing it".
That's presumption. Only a prophet could claim to know that, and I don't believe they've got any.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 07:53 PM
It's a good thing those crazy Baptist weren't at my father's funeral. If they had shown up I can assure you my brother, myself and our friends would have gone to jail.

Even if you don't agree with war a life was lost and should be respected.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 09:58 PM
These people aren't Baptists. I know plenty of real Baptists and to call these people Baptists is like equating Muslims with terrorists.

These people aren't even Christians. Jesus taught love, acceptance, kindness, forgiveness and staunchly opposed being judgmental.

These people are Neo-Nazis with tax exempt status.



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 10:03 PM
reply to post by TheAssociate

So true. I was raised Baptist, and I don't remember being taught to hate gays... or anyone for that matter.

All i can hope for is that they see the errors in their ways, but i doubt that will be happening anytime soon.

posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 11:43 AM
Free speech can have consequences.

If you make threats against the president, expect the secret service to show up.

If you spit venom at a Marine funeral, sooner or later, you are going to be tasting boot leather.

And I would laugh as I witnessed it.

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