Belgium moves to ban the burqa

Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by Smiler74
Islamaphobia ?

sorry dont know what that is, but I am afraid of beards so does that mean I have a "Beardaphobia"?

Nope.... that would be pogonophobia

Link

wow thanks! didnt even know that existed...

you've just saved me

now i know im not alone, i can deal with my issues

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by Smiler74

 

Referring to a whole class of people as "Barbarian Curs" is pretty egregious and shows how little one knows about that class of people. It's disgusting, to even sit there and support it is ignorant. I am not Islamic, I don't agree with what they do but, I don't belittle them. Big difference.

yeah refererring to them all as "barbarians" is a bit ignorant

but a lot of countries that are ruled by Islam have very draconian ways of dealing with things. a.k.a sharia to the extreme. stonings, buried alive, limb dismemberment, genital mutilation, etc

but i suppose western muslims dont fit this picture as we dont practice those sort of methods, and dont want them here wither, and unfortunately the burka is one of those, in the eyes of a lot of people in the west. some people call it ignorance

but some of this "barbarity" does go on behind closed doors in the UK, in secret sharian courts

[edit on 1/4/10 by Smiler74]

[edit on 1/4/10 by Smiler74]

reply to post by antonia

The women do wear bonnets and such outside the home though.

Ha, as anyone investigated the quantity of explosives that can be hidden under an innocent looking bonnet I wonder ? Come to think of it is a pony and trap bomb out of the question ?

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Belgium have every right to do this...

Fair play to them and France... Now if only the Uk would too.

When British Muslim girls discover how much the Sun will pay them for getting their jugs out for page 3 that will be the end of the matter in the UK.

The Burka (how do you spell that) will be resigned to being a prop replacing the habit in porn movies,. Welcome to Britain breakfast will always include bacon .

reply to post by operation mindcrime



"Degrading for women?" dude are you serious.


How about the women who come out of their houses basically "naked", that is not degrading, and allowing the women to have sex at a very large, which causes the highest rate of abortion in the world? get real man.

What is degrading is when the majority of women in a country approximately 95% of women have had premarital sex and will have been with more than one partner before they finally decide to settle their a**** down.

What is degrading is when you have women, and teens enrolling in porn, and watching women exposing themselves for men. Women here are used as sex toys, when the guy gets what he wants which is sex, he dumps her and goes to the other victim.

What is degrading, is that you actually think that islam demands that omen wear the burqa, the burqa is a choice that these women make, the hijab is what is mandatory. No one is forcing these women to wear the burqa, its their own will. Again the hijab is what is mandatory, the burqa not at all.

Its funny how people think that by putting up a video of a place where they are beating women, they assume that is islam. it's not. If i put up a porn video, and i said this is happening in america, is this christianity? get real with yourself man.

reply to post by Mdv2


They are citizens of that country and under freedom of expression they are permitted to wear any religious symbol representing their faith.

For girls it is Hijab, for guys it is beard and a hat.

Without freedom of expression you could be banned to express your sexuality because being gay is believe it or not again what you call integration. If gay people who weren't the majority of any Western country are allowed to express themselves why shouldn't Muslims?

It is at the end of the day an expression.

reply to post by piedsniper


curious would you allow ur siblings to go on page 3 and if you have any daughters allow them to enlighten page 3 (ensuring they are over 18)

i couldnt resist

reply to post by Nammu


It's not about clothing, its about the fact that it is a form of supression. Ofcourse you can keep arguing that these are "just" clothes, but your obviously not the one wearing them. The woman that do have to wear these things wear them because else they are looked opun as whores.

And we can't let such a primitive tradition stay alive in our modern society.

Originally posted by piedsniper
reply to post by colloredbrothers

 

The ban of the burqa is a good thing imo, I have no idea where this tradition came from but it does not fit in a western democratic community where everyone is equal.

I was unaware that the western democratic community (whatever the hell that is) had a dress code .

It's not about the clothing, its about the fact that these woman have to wear these clothes for the rest of there lives!!

They indoctrinate little girls in wearing these until they are big, then if they ever come outside without them they are seen as "whores".

Is that really the kind of mentality you want to nurture?

Originally posted by pujols5
reply to post by operation mindcrime

 

"Degrading for women?" dude are you serious.

Very much, yes.

How about the women who come out of their houses basically "naked", that is not degrading, and allowing the women to have sex at a very large, which causes the highest rate of abortion in the world? get real man.

That's is called freedom. To be allowed to make your own choices, be it good or bad.

What is degrading is when the majority of women in a country approximately 95% of women have had premarital sex and will have been with more than one partner before they finally decide to settle their a**** down.

That's is called freedom. To be allowed to make your own choices, be it good or bad.

What is degrading is when you have women, and teens enrolling in porn, and watching women exposing themselves for men. Women here are used as sex toys, when the guy gets what he wants which is sex, he dumps her and goes to the other victim.

That's is called freedom. To be allowed to make your own choices, be it good or bad.

What is degrading, is that you actually think that islam demands that omen wear the burqa, the burqa is a choice that these women make, the hijab is what is mandatory. No one is forcing these women to wear the burqa, its their own will. Again the hijab is what is mandatory, the burqa not at all.

I am sure that the pressure of your spiritual leaders or the indoctrination at young age have nothing to do with that, right?

Its funny how people think that by putting up a video of a place where they are beating women, they assume that is islam. it's not. If i put up a porn video, and i said this is happening in america, is this christianity? get real with yourself man.

I am really struggeling to see the connection which you are trying to make here but you cannot deny it is part of the Islam tradition.

Peace

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reply to post by colloredbrothers


as much as i am against the burka
seriously whats up with whore? you used it twice in two replies

some are forced to wear the crap
others do so of free will

just like (i will use the page 3 reply) some women like to show off their lovelys
and some dont.

its a matter of choice

we live in a free society and we have the rights to express our selves.
this isnt a dictatorship or country run by laws which have the right to control its citizens

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
That's is called freedom. To be allowed to make your own choices, be it good or bad.

my new signiture, well
i dont have one yet so this will do

also you should watch human sacrafice on discovery, all faiths are brutal

[edit on 1-4-2010 by illusive man]

Originally posted by colloredbrothers
reply to post by Nammu

 

It's not about clothing, its about the fact that it is a form of supression. Ofcourse you can keep arguing that these are "just" clothes, but your obviously not the one wearing them. The woman that do have to wear these things wear them because else they are looked opun as whores.

And we can't let such a primitive tradition stay alive in our modern society.

But you are making the assumption that all women who wear burqas are forced into doing this. That is not a correct assumption.

Banning them is not the answer. This simply removes the choice of wearing one if you want to. We're not protecting these women by doing this. We need to protect their right of the freedom to choose.

I don't agree with anyone being forced to wear or not wear anything. They are just clothes and we are all pink on the inside.

Wanting to force them to not wear an item of clothing is just as bad as forcing them to wear it in the first place. To think otherwise is hypocritical.

double post

[edit on 1-4-2010 by Nammu]

Originally posted by operation mindcrime

Originally posted by pujols5
reply to post by operation mindcrime

 

"Degrading for women?" dude are you serious.

Very much, yes.

How about the women who come out of their houses basically "naked", that is not degrading, and allowing the women to have sex at a very large, which causes the highest rate of abortion in the world? get real man.

That's is called freedom. To be allowed to make your own choices, be it good or bad.

What is degrading is when the majority of women in a country approximately 95% of women have had premarital sex and will have been with more than one partner before they finally decide to settle their a**** down.

That's is called freedom. To be allowed to make your own choices, be it good or bad.

What is degrading is when you have women, and teens enrolling in porn, and watching women exposing themselves for men. Women here are used as sex toys, when the guy gets what he wants which is sex, he dumps her and goes to the other victim.

That's is called freedom. To be allowed to make your own choices, be it good or bad.

What is degrading, is that you actually think that islam demands that omen wear the burqa, the burqa is a choice that these women make, the hijab is what is mandatory. No one is forcing these women to wear the burqa, its their own will. Again the hijab is what is mandatory, the burqa not at all.

I am sure that the pressure of your spiritual leaders or the indoctrination at young age have nothing to do with that, right?

Its funny how people think that by putting up a video of a place where they are beating women, they assume that is islam. it's not. If i put up a porn video, and i said this is happening in america, is this christianity? get real with yourself man.

I am really struggeling to see the connection which you are trying to make here but you cannot deny it is part of the Islam tradition.

Peace

[edit on 1-4-2010 by operation mindcrime]

You are absically one big contradictory book aren't you?

You say its freedom to be naked, but not freedom when it comes to covering yourself up?

So its ok to be naked, but not okay to cover yourself up? wow you lost it buddy.

What part of no one is forcing them to wear the burqa don't you understand.

Go back and give yourself a high five for your ignorance.

reply to post by pujols5


Pujols5,

I am sorry if i came off like I would know your culture better then you would know it. That would ridiculous.. Fact of the matter is, you have these..

But it's not hard to see how she stands out with her form-covering clothing, a headscarf tied under her chin and her pledge not to engage in pre-marital sex.

"I'm Muslim, and it's been taught to us in our religion, and I believe in this," said the 24-year-old university student from the southern French town of Cagnes-sur-Mer.

Source

And you have these...

A court in Saudi Arabia doubled its sentence of lashings for a rape victim who had spoken out in public about her case and her efforts to seek justice, Human Rights Watch said today. The court also harassed her lawyer, banning him from the case and confiscating his professional license. An official at the General Court of Qatif, which handed down the sentence on November 14, said the court had increased the woman's sentence because of "her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media."

Source

The real problem we have here is a government, following in the footstep of it's bigger neighbor France, saying they are putting a ban on burqa's because...

The issue of the burqa is not a religious issue. It is a question of freedom and of women’s dignity. The burqa is not a religious sign. It is a sign of the subjugation, of the submission, of women….I want to say solemnly that it will not be welcome on our territory.

Source

Now remember, I am not attacking anybody who wants to wear this piece of clothing out of free will, more power to ya.... But I am talking about the other group, the one's that dare not speak up because of oppression. Surely you can not deny such a group exists??

Now if Mr. Sarkozy's intentions are really so noble then why can he not see that such a law would make this group disappear from the radar for anybody wanting to help out? Unless Mr. Sarcozy's intentions are not entirely true and he is merely trying to cover up his own failed immigration policy....

Know what i mean??

Peace

[edit on 1-4-2010 by operation mindcrime]

wrong thread. A thousand apologises...

[edit on 1-4-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

reply to post by operation mindcrime


You are sitting there talking about freedom yet you are supporting a law which removes free choice when it comes to wearing or not wearing an item of clothing?

Wouldn't it have been better to just make a law proclaiming that one cannot be forced to wear that item of clothing?

reply to post by antonia


Huh?? I am supporting this law?? Where did this happen??

I oppose this law and i question the motives of this law. I oppose the oppression of the women who have to wear these clothes.....that's all

If i have given you any other impression, i assure you it must have been a temporary interruption of my coffee intake which might have caused my mind to wander.....it happens

Peace

reply to post by operation mindcrime


My stupidity then. I agree with you that the women forced to wear this are being oppressed but, I can't say who is and isn't doing it by choice.