SPLC: The Biggest Hate Group of Them All?

Who is the Southern Poverty Law Center?

In their own words The SPLC offers up an ambitious and lofty goal, but hardly innocuous in their strategies.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society. Using litigation, education and other forms of advocacy, we work toward the day when the ideals of equal justice and equal opportunity will be a reality. We employ a three-pronged strategy to battle racial and social injustice:

* We track the activities of hate groups and domestic terrorists across America, and we launch innovative lawsuits that seek to destroy networks of radical extremists.

* We use the courts and other forms of advocacy to win systemic reforms on behalf of victims of bigotry and discrimination.

* We provide educators with free resources that teach school children to reject hate, embrace diversity and respect differences. Our Current Priorities

The SPLC openly and proudly declares that they actively seek to destroy "hate groups" of "radical extremists", but what exactly is a hate group?

What is a hate group?

There does not seem to be any legal or clearly defined description of what a hate group is, and using key words and phrases such as:

What is a hate group

Hate group definition

Legal definition of hate group

...on Google all produced the same results listing Wikipedia's article on hate groups first, and it should be noted that the editors of Wikipedia have found it necessary to distance themselves from that article clarifying it may not represent a world view, and the second entry offers The SPLC's website to find a definition of what a hate group is. The third entry on Google using any of the three search keys, offers some balance to the issue by offering a site apparently named Watching the watchdogs, that singles out the SPLC and makes clear that not even the FBI tracks "hate groups" because there is no legal definition of what a hate group is.

For the purposes of this thread, let us rely upon The SPLC's definition of what a hate group is, so we may better discern whether or not The SPLC themselves fall within that category. Of course, since Mark Potok of the SPLC say's this about hate groups:

"It has nothing to do with criminality or violence or potential violence...It's strictly a matter of ideology."

It leaves us wondering which ideologies are acceptable to The SPLC and which would be considered hateful, but even so, let us look at what they have to say about hate groups on their Hate Map page:

All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.

This list was compiled using hate group publications and websites, citizen and law enforcement reports, field sources and news reports.

Hate group activities can include criminal acts, marches, rallies, speeches, meetings, leafleting or publishing. Websites appearing to be merely the work of a single individual, rather than the publication of a group, are not included in this list. Listing here does not imply a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity.

Of course, what is offered here does not define hate group but rather defines certain characteristics of a hate group which ironically are eerily similar to the characteristics of a tolerant or peaceful group, and outside of criminal acts, there is nothing inherently wrong with marches, rallies, speeches, meetings, leafleting or publishing, and if there were Civil Rights, (of which The SPLC claims to serve), activists such as Martin Luther King wouldn't have relied upon them to advocate their ideology. In fairness to the SPLC, the FBI wrote a 16,659 based upon the investigation of Martin Luther King, and yet he was never associated with any criminal activity, so it must have been all those marches and rallies, speeches, meetings, leafleting and/or publishing that demanded the FBI's attention, and perhaps The SPLC is right to have such a broad and ambiguous definition. Even so, there is a horrifying irony to the idea that a "civil rights" organization would use activities so cherished by civil rights activists as being the characteristics of hate group.

So, what is a hate group? So far, we can discern that a hate group as a specific ideology, may or may not be involved in criminal activity, but does march in protest to certain political, religious and economic issues, or even scientific issues, as certainly we have seen marches from groups like Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, and other "green" organizations, in protest of what they deem to be anti-environmental policies, we have seen marches from groups such as MoveOn, The Human Rights Campaign, The League of Women Voters, Various gay rights groups, and the numerous civil rights groups rely upon marches and rallies, meetings, speeches, leaflets, and publications to get their message out, just as any hate group would.

Is Greenpeace listed as hate group by The SPLC? The Greenpeace Foundation is based in the State of Hawaii, but is not on the Hate Map so it is presumed that Greenpeace is not one of the 932 groups that SPLC listed for 2009. Their ideology apparently checks out with The SPLC so any marching, rallies, speeches, meetings, leaflets, and/or publishing is perfectly acceptable...or maybe not. The ACLU is claiming that the FBI and other government agencies are investigating non violent civil rights groups. While the article found on the ACLU website posted in 2005 does not mention one way or the other whether or not The SPLC is being investigated by the FBI or other government agencies, it did list some that were:

The document was released in response to an ACLU lawsuit filed two months ago to expedite its FOIA request for FBI surveillance files on the ACLU, Greenpeace, United for Peace and Justice, Code Pink, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

www.aclu.org...

While these groups have apparently merited the investigation of government, they do not seem to be groups that merit be labeled a hate group by the SPLC. Why the FBI and other agencies are investigating these non violent civil rights groups is unknown, but it might be fair to presume they are investigating them due to their ideology. Beyond nonviolent civil rights groups, there seems to be a prejudicial tendency with The SPLC and certain clear and identifiable criminal groups that could be regarded as hate groups, don't seem to make the list of 932 singled out by The SPLC.

Take for example; the eco terrorist group known as The Earth Liberation Front, (ELF), whose Press Office is based in Portland Oregon is not listed on The SPLC's Hate Map in the State of Oregon, nor in any other state I have seen. (Full disclosure demands I admit I have been unable in my research thus far to find a simple list of the 932 groups listed by the SPLC as hate groups and must scroll down and go state by state in order to compile that list myself, of which I have not done, and it could be that ELF very well may be on that list of 932 groups, and I don't know it because of my failure thus far to compile the list of 932 groups myself. We shall see, as I will indeed compile that list, when time permits. At this time it seems safe to assume that ELF is not cited as one of the 932 groups singled out for ridicule and destruction by the SPLC.

Of the 60 hate groups listed to be in California on the SPLC's Hate Map, both the infamous Crips and Bloods are conspicuously absent from the list, and while they are not so much known for their marches, rallies, speeches, leaflets, and/or publishing, they are known for their criminal acts, and their nefarious meetings, but it would seem that ideology of both the Crips and the Bloods seems to be acceptable enough to The SPLC that neither group merits any note on the Hate Map.

What is the purpose of this thread?

It is first and foremost the purpose of this thread to investigate the activities and ethics of The SPLC, but beyond that it is also hoped to come to a better understanding of what a hate group is, and what precisely that should mean to civil rights activists or just plain ordinary people. The SPLC has become a highly visible non governmental private organization, often cited as a source by government officials, and vice/versa, who have openly admitted that one of their stated purposes is to destroy certain ideological groups, and to rely upon the force of government to do so, while using the public schools and other public places to indoctrinate the public on their ideology.

This sort of agenda merits investigation, and in this thread it is hoped such an investigation will occur.

Cont.

SPLC is are lying POS with no credibility whatsoever. The media uses them all the time to smear people and groups. They are worthless bags of human excrement!

when splc put Alex Jones on there lists, they lost all credibility and honor.

They are in fact a government sponsored group with half truths and mostly lies and propaganda.

If the SLC hates "HATE GROUPS", doesn't that make them a HATE GROUP. Ironical hypocrasy.

I have been saying that exact thing for a while now the SPLC is just as much a Hate group as the KKK.

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Gee , I wonder how their Fight against the KKK is going ? Any updates ? ..........

As always, a thoughtful thread JPZ. I actually used to support the SPLC back in the 80's when I was heavily into anti-klan activity. Sadly, they do what every other group must do - namely broaden their definition for their existence to get continued support.
Now they do exactly what you described - monitor and attack perfectly legal groups and their activites based on their bogus ideas of what "hate groups" are.
Why isn't AIPAC on their list? or the JDL?

In the last weeks I have lurked a bit on their website and read the comments on their blog. Like you I searched in vain for a neatly arranged list of the hate groups. In my opinion the SPLC is a dangerous organisation. Speech may initiate violence and murder, so I think it is OK to have a watchdog. But the SPLC does not stop there. They censor opinions in the name of political correctness. When groups like WeAreChange and the Oathkeepers are targeted it is time to question what the SPLC is really fighting against. They also attack the Colorado Public TV because they have shown documentaries like camp FEMA and press for truth. So instead of informing the public and fighting violence, the SPLC tries to suppress information and opinions which differ from those found in the MSM.

The government tortures, violates due process, uses indefinite detention without trial, uses lies to instigate wars, grants itself the right to assassinate people without trial. Surveillance and warrantless wiretapping becomes more common from day to day and the state looks more and more like the Big Brother State of George Orwell's 1984. The police and jurisdiction act as willful helpers for the government. Police brutality is happening on an enormous scale. The U.S. Has the highest number of prisoners per capita in the world and yet the SPLC lumps people who are concerned with this corruption, lawlessness and dangerous development together with groups like the Ku Klux Klan. I find it shameful. Cass Sunstein would make a fine CEO for the SPLC.

Here a video in which the Southern Poverty Law Center's Mark Potok attacks conspiracy theorists:

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

What is a hate group
Hate group definition
Legal definition of hate group

Hate, as a concept, has been so politicized that anything at all can today be labeled as being a form of hate.

Disagree with the president? You are a hater.

Disagree with the Tea Partiers? You are a hater.

Disagree with anything that someone else supports, you can be tagged as a hater merely to identify you as an enemy.

But truth be told, most of us will go our entire lives and never know true hate. It is, after all, the opposite of true love and that is indeed a rare commodity.

Hate is a word, term and concept abused today... by people who are more tied up with their politics than understanding their fellow human beings.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.

This list was compiled using hate group publications and websites, citizen and law enforcement reports, field sources and news reports.

Hate group activities can include criminal acts, marches, rallies, speeches, meetings, leafleting or publishing. Websites appearing to be merely the work of a single individual, rather than the publication of a group, are not included in this list. Listing here does not imply a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity.

So, what is a hate group? So far, we can discern that a hate group as a specific ideology, may or may not be involved in criminal activity, but does march in protest to certain political, religious and economic issues, or even scientific issues, as certainly we have seen marches from groups like Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, and other "green" organizations, in protest of what they deem to be anti-environmental policies, we have seen marches from groups such as MoveOn, The Human Rights Campaign, The League of Women Voters, Various gay rights groups, and the numerous civil rights groups rely upon marches and rallies, meetings, speeches, leaflets, and publications to get their message out, just as any hate group would.

I think one of the important statements you seem to have entirely overlooked in your summary of what a 'hate group' involves is the first part of the quote from SPLC. It's a little more than people who march, meet, give leaflets, and speak under the banner of an ideology:

All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.

I would think that part is pretty important.

So how are the Oathkeeper's Hatriots?... The pugnacious hatefulness of being able to read the constitution.

What group are they maligning?... Gov'ment workers, people that will do anything to exert control over everyone else, people that think they are the moral authority of everyones else.

SPLC is a collectivist mechanism using the banner of compassionate political correctness to cast judgement and demonize everyone that has any passion about anything in order to turn us all into pathetic, dependent de-clawed inside cats.

SPLC reccomends believing everything Anderson Cooper and NPR says. Stay at home, nueter yourself and your dog, find your self worth pitying other people, so that you will get caught up in your useless, faux moral debate as the empire kills brown people all across the world.

Why does the gov'ment give such credence to these Truth haters?... Like attracks like.

The SPLC is a radical hate organization.

They are far more dangerous than the average tea party group. Not only have these people engaged in acts of terrorism, they have direct access to major media outlets and the government.

The SPLC was responsible for running the militia out of Elohim City that McVeigh was involved in.

Court documents make it clear they had full fore-knowledge of the bombing AND they, along with the FBI, actually killed Richard Lee Guthrie in his cell to prevent him from talking.

They LOST the Trentadue civil suit on this matter.

They are a bunch of terrorist race baiting pigs.

They are pure evil.

Continuing...

List of hate groups for California on The SPLC Hate Map

Taking just one state that has 60 different groups listed as being hate groups within the State of California, let us examine which groups are listed and what it is they have done to merit this label of hate group.

SPLC Hate Map for California

The sixty groups singled out by the SPLC as hate groups in California are:

1.) The American Front; listed as a racist skinhead organization based in Sacramento.

2.) American Patrol/Voice of Citizens Together; listed as an anti immigration group based in Sherman Oaks.

3.) American Renaissance; listed as White Nationalist group based in based in "Southern California".

4.) American Renaissance again listed this time based in San Francisco.

5.) American Third Position; listed simply as "general hate" based in Los Angeles.

6.) Aryan National Revival; listed as "christian identity" and no known base of operations shown.

7.) Bay Area National Anarchists; listed as a white nationalist group based in Dublin California.

8.) Biblical Family Advocates; listed as anti gay, based in San Diego.

9.) California Coalition for Immigration Reform; listed as being anti immigrant, based in Huntington Beach.

10.) California Skinheads; listed as being racist skinheads, based in Fresno.

11.) Chalcedon Foundation; listed as being anti gay, based in Vallecito California.

12.) Chick Publications; listed as being general hate, based in Ontario.

13.) Coors Family Skinheads; listed as being racist skinheads, based in Big Bear Lake.

14.) Council of Conservative Citizens; listed as being white nationalists, based in San Bernadino County.

15.) Council of Conservative Citizens again listed, this time based in San Francisco.

16.) European American Issues Forum; listed as being white nationalists, based in San Bruno.

17.) European Americans United; listed as also being a white nationalist group, based in Sacramento.

18.) Freedom 14; listed as being a white nationalist group as well, based in Orange County.

19.) Golden State Party; also listed as a white nationalist group, based in Garden Grove.

20) Golden State Skinheads; listed as being racist skinheads, based in San Luis Opisbo.

21.) Holy Nation of Odin; listed as being general hate, based in Kingsburg.

22.) Inconvenient History; listed as being a holocaust denial group, based in San Ysidro.

23.) Inland Empire Skinheads; listed as being racist skinheads, based in Riverside.

24.) Institute for Historical Review; listed as being holocaust deniers, based in San Ysidro.

25.) Jewish Defense League; listed as being general hate, based in Los Angeles.

26.) Knights of Nordic Order; listed as being neo-nazi, no known base of operations listed.

27.) League of the South; listed as being neo confederate, based in Scots Valley.

28.) Nation of Islam; listed as black separatist, based in Compton.

29.) Nation of Islam, again listed for the same reason, this time based in Long Beach.

30.) Nation of Islam, same reason different location, which is Rialto.

31.) Nation of Islam, again listed this time based in Los Angeles.

32.) Nation of Islam yet again listed this time based in San Diego.

33.) Nation of Islam once again listed, here based in Richmond.

34.) National Alliance; listed as being neo nazi, based in Sacremento.

35.) National Knights of the Klu Klux Klan; listed as being, appropriately enough, KKK, with no known base of operations listed.

36.) National Socialist American Labor Party; listed as being neo nazi, based in Burbank.

37 through 40.) All named National Socialist Movement, each based respectively in San Francisco, Richmond, Riverside and Dulzura.

41.) New Black Panther Party; listed as being black separatist and no known base of operations is listed.

42.) Noontide Press; listed as being holocaust deniers, based in Newport Beach.

43.) OMNI Christian Book Club; listed as being guilty of "radical traditional Catholicism", based in Palmdale.

44.) Orange County Skins; listed as being racist skinheads, based in Orange County.

45.) Sacto Skinheads; listed as being racist skinheads based in Sacramento.

46.) Save Our State; listed as being anti immigration, based in San Bernadino.

47.) The Creativity Alliance; listed as being neo nazi, based in Clovis.

48.) Tony Alamo Christian Ministries; listed as being guilty of general hate, based in Canyon Country.

49.) Tradition in Action; listed for being a radical traditional Catholic group, based in Los Angeles.

50.) Traditional Values Coalition; listed for being anti gay, based in Anaheim.

51.) United Realms of America Knights of the Klu Klux Klan; listed for being KKK, based in Ukiah.

52 through 55.) All named United Society of Aryan Skinheads; listed for being racist skinheads, based in Lakeside, Orange County and apparently two separate groups in San Diego.

56.) Vinland Folk Resistance; listed as being general hate, based in Kingsburg.

57.) Voice of Reason Broadcast Network; listed for being white nationalists, based in Pasadena.

58.) Volksfront; listed as being racist skinheads, no known base of operations listed.

59.) Voz de Aztlan; listed for being guilty of general hate, based in Whittier.

and finally...

60.) White Revolution; listed as being neo nazi, based in Orange County.

Of these sixty groups, 15 have been singled out for having a racist skinhead, 10 labeled as white nationalist, 8 as neo nazi, 7 as black separtists, 6 guilty of general hate, 3 for being anti immigration, another 3 for being anti gay, 2 for being the KKK, 2 for being radically traditional in their Catholicism, and one for having a Christian identity.

It is interesting to not what The SPLC has to say about these various hate groups specifically, and when one reads the Intelligence Files of these various groups interesting patterns emerge. First let's take a look at the Intelligence file on Racist Skinheads:

At first, the skinheads seemed like just another rebellious youth subculture. But since the 1980s, each decade has brought eruptions of racist skinhead violence splashed across the evening news. Criminal attacks by shaved-head, boot-wearing white youths ranging from vandalism to murder have served to remind minority populations that maybe we haven't made that much progress in social relations. The skinhead "fad" shows no sign of fading. In November 1988, three skinheads in Portland, Ore., beat an Ethiopian student named Mulugeta Seraw to death with baseball bats. In April 1999, a Mexican immigrant named Irineo Soto Aguilar was murdered in Lakeside, Calif., by three skinheads who crushed his skull with chunks of concrete. In October 2007, a skinhead strangled a 62-year-old gay man in Oklahoma City as a rite of passage in his gang.

The entire article in this Intelligent File builds a compelling case that makes it hard to argue that racist skinheads are indeed hateful. However, while their ideology may be extremely distasteful, even grossly offensive, it is the criminal activities listed by The SPLC that make this group of people undeniably hateful. The entire article is well worth reading as it serves as a case file on an existing group that by this report, is a serious threat to the domestic tranquility, and general welfare of the public. If all the groups listed by the SPLC were guilty of activities such as racists skinheads, then The SPLC would be a noble and worthy organization worthy of the notoriety it has. Sadly, this is not the case. Consider the next larges group singled out by the SPLC in California, that being White Nationalists

White nationalist groups espouse white supremacist or white separatist ideologies, often focusing on the alleged inferiority of non-whites.

Groups listed in a variety of other categories - Ku Klux Klan, neo-Confederate, neo-Nazi, racist skinhead, and Christian Identity - could also be fairly described as "white nationalist."

These groups range from those that use racial slurs and issue calls for violence to others that present themselves as serious, non-violent organizations and employ the language of academia.

For many years, the largest white nationalist group in America has been the Council of Conservative Citizens, a reincarnation of the old White Citizens Councils that were formed to resist desegregation in the 1950s and 1960s.

Even though the link has been provided, I thought it prudent to provide the entire article from that link, as brief as it is, for a number of reasons, but I am out of room, and will have to continue...

Continuing...

While the "Intelligence File" on racist skinhead groups was detailed and specifically outlined several criminal activities, as well as describing some of the inner circle language, The SPLC file on white nationalists describes them as groups with a white supremacist, or separatist ideology, "often focusing on the alleged inferiority of non whites", they have designed a definition that compels them to immediately follow with:

Groups listed in a variety of other categories - Ku Klux Klan, neo-Confederate, neo-Nazi, racist skinhead, and Christian Identity - could also be fairly described as "white nationalist."

www.splcenter.org...

So, in order to make clear the distinction between white nationalists in general, and KKK, neo-Confederate, neo-nazi, racist skinhead, and Christian Identity, they humbly offer:

These groups range from those that use racial slurs and issue calls for violence to others that present themselves as serious, non-violent organizations and employ the language of academia.

Thus, any where from using racial slurs and issuing calls for violence, to serious non-violent groups employing the language of academia, if a group falls within this category, The SPLC declares a hate group, but apparently if they some how do not fall into the categories of KKK, neo-Confederate, neo-nazi, racist skinhead, Christian Identity, they are just then simply labeled white nationalists, but The SPLC wants to make clear that all the aforementioned groups are fairly classified as white nationalists as well. To further clarify the definition of white nationalists, the "Intelligence File" offers:

For many years, the largest white nationalist group in America has been the Council of Conservative Citizens, a reincarnation of the old White Citizens Councils that were formed to resist desegregation in the 1950s and 1960s.

Naming specifically the Council of Conservative Citizens, as being a white nationalist group separate from all the others "fairly" labeled the same. Looking at that organizations Statement of Principles there is compelling evidence to argue this group is indeed a white nationalist group, and undeniably separatists, but not so clearly supremacists by their statement of principles alone. At this moment, I must defer to the SPLC on what this group is actually about, outside of their statement of principles as that is all I have read from their website, as I thought it prudent to read in their own words what they stand for, and indeed, their statement of principles clearly expresses their ideology, which for all intents and purposes may be fairly construed as hate, assuming their activities involve attacking groups for their immutable characteristics

The "Intelligence File" on the Council of Conservative Citizens offers a detailed report, (much like that of the racists skinheads), that links the group to an earlier incarnation known as the White Citizens Council, (yet another link to a Wikipedia article flagged for credibility), claiming that in its current incarnation as the CCC has evolved into a crude white supremacist group. The SPLC report uses the groups own words to condemn them, with such quotes as:

"God is the author of racism. God is the One who divided mankind into different types. ... Mixing the races is rebelliousness against God." —

Council of Conservative Citizens website, 2001

Also relying upon the aforementioned and linked statement of principles of the CCC, the SPLC has quoted just one of the many articles in that statement that clearly reveal a separatist ideology, but not so clearly, based on the statement of principles alone, are they supremacists. Indeed, based upon these principles, the CCC could be fairly categorized as anti immigration, as well, but for some reason, the SPLC has singled them out for the label of white nationalists. The final quote the SPLC offers to condemn the CCC is:

"Controlling immigration is about the security of this republic [terrorists illegally crossing the borders] and making sure countries like Mexico stop dumping their murderers, rapists, those carrying AIDS and other communicable diseases and gang members on America's door step."

—Devvy Kidd, Citizens Informer, 2006

Here is a quote not at all respectful towards those crossing the U.S. borders illegally, but as to this quote actually serving as some sort of evidence that they are white supremacists or guilty of attacking others for their immutable charactersitics, it is a stretch to say this makes them white supremacists. Is there a difference between white separatists and white supremacists? It seems any distinction between the two has not reached any genuine consenus and remains ambiguous where ever I looked

While the CCC very well may post ethnic jokes and other tasteless or grossly offensive material regarding non white races, but the white race is not immune from the same sort of tactic, where sites such as The Huffington Post where Nora Ephron, clearly going for laughs, writes:

But now there are two and we're facing Pennsylvania and whom are we kidding? This is an election about whether the people of Pennsylvania hate blacks more than they hate women. And when I say people, I don't mean people, I mean white men. How ironic is this? After all this time, after all these stupid articles about how powerless white men are and how they can't even get into college because of overachieving women and affirmative action and mean lady teachers who expected them to sit still in the third grade even though they were all suffering from terminal attention deficit disorder -- after all this, they turn out (surprise!) to have all the power. (As they always did, by the way; I hope you didn't believe any of those articles.)

To put it bluntly, the next president will be elected by them: the outcome of Tuesday's primary will depend on whether they go for Hillary or Obama, and the outcome of the general election will depend on whether enough of them vote for McCain. A lot of them will: white men cannot be relied on, as all of us know who have spent a lifetime dating them. And McCain is a compelling candidate, particularly because of the Torture Thing. As for the Democratic hope that McCain's temper will be a problem, don't bet on it. A lot of white men have terrible tempers, and what's more, they think it's normal.

or in the Mens Journal where Matt Taibbi writes:

Racial shame is a terrible thing. It’s tremendously embarrassing to white people that even after massacring a whole continent of Native Americans, nuking the Japs, and establishing the most awesomely greedy political superpower in world history, they still get laughed at when they play on the skins team in urban pickup games. It’s the one problem they haven’t been able to overcome with bombs or money.

...clearly going for laughs. It is acceptable in the U.S. to make jokes about white males and deride them, and to a lesser extent white women, for their white privilege, but not so when making jokes about any other race. Frankly, given that racial tensions clearly still exist in this world I am of the mind that jokes of any race, and their immutable characteristics are probably inappropriate, not illegal or deserving of regulation, but inappropriate. Granted, most humor outside of puns and other literary devices, most humor is based upon some ones pain. We may see it coming a mile away, but many will laugh after watching the cartoonish man walking, slip on a banana peel, slapstick is funny because of the pain it brings its characters, and many times, if there is a joke, someone is the brunt of it.

So, while the CCC is certainly a group deserving of the label white nationalist, it is not so clear they deserve to be labeled white supremacists, but separatists for sure. There are other elements of the CCC that are similar to other groups labeled as hate groups outside of the white supremacists and anti-immigration groups, and those elements have to do with asserting certain things about the United States government. The "Intelligence File" report on the CCC, lays what will become the foundation for a pattern of prejudice on the part of the SPLC, as we continue to examine their labels, definitions of those labels, and the characteristics they hold up to be reviled, in their "Intelligence Report".

I am running out of space again, and will continue this examination sometime later where we will look at the "Intelligence Files" for other groups, and the organizations that fall within those labels.

Cont...

Last fall, for instance, the magazine carried a glowing review of Gerald M. Spring's The Philosophy of Count de Gobineau, a book about a French 19th-century writer on race and biology.

"Despite its age, its theme is truly timeless because Gobineau was the first thinker to approach the race problem from a scientific viewpoint," the reviewer enthused. "His Essay on the Inequality of Human Races ... advanced the thesis that each of the three major races plays a distinct role in history. ...

"The whites were the creators of civilization, the yellows its sustainers and copyists, the blacks its destroyers. We need to know more about this great thinker. ... The enlightenment truly began in France."

De Gobineau is widely accepted to have been a major influence on another proponent of Aryan superiority.

The CCC's Web site also regularly publishes racist material. One of the group's featured columnists, who identifies himself as H. Millard, recently wrote there on his view on the likely effects of immigration and intermarriage. Millard, who refused to be interviewed, is a Costa Mesa, Calif., real estate agent whose full name is Martin H. Millard.

"What will emerge will be just be a slimy brown mass of glop," Millard wrote.

"The genocide being carried out against white people hasn't come with marching armies; instead, it has come with propaganda that is calculated to brainwash whites into happily and willingly jumping into the Neo-Melting Pot, and to their destruction. ...

"Genocide via the bedroom chamber is just as long-lasting as genocide via the gas chamber."

Sharks in the Mainstream

As you appear to have overlooked (again) important issues: the SPLC after making the claim of crude white supremicism also state:

...the CCC, which initially tried to project a "mainstream" image, has evolved into a crudely white supremacist group whose website has run pictures comparing pop singer Michael Jackson to an ape and referred to blacks as "a retrograde species of humanity." The group's newspaper, Citizens Informer, regularly publishes articles condemning "race mixing," decrying the evils of illegal immigration, and lamenting the decline of white, European civilization.

And you just compare to a couple of individuals making questionably offensive jokes to make some equivalency with this group?

So in an effort to make the claim that the SPLC is unfair in its portrayal of certain groups, you've decided to do a hackjob on the SPLC...cool.

Carry on...

[edit on 31-3-2010 by melatonin]

All of the We are change chapters are listed on their site.

I am part of We are change New Jersey, and I can tell you one thing, WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT A HATE GROUP!

if anyone is a hate group, IT is them!

Originally posted by ugie1028
All of the We are change chapters are listed on their site.

I am part of We are change New Jersey, and I can tell you one thing, WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT A HATE GROUP!

if anyone is a hate group, IT is them!

They list "we are change" groups as 'Patriot' groups.

The Intelligence Project identified 512 "Patriot" groups that were active in 2009. Of these groups, 127 were militias, marked with an asterisk, and the remainder includes "common-law" courts, publishers, ministries and citizens' groups. Generally, Patriot groups define themselves as opposed to the "New World Order," engage in groundless conspiracy theorizing, or advocate or adhere to extreme antigovernment doctrines. Listing here does not imply that the groups themselves advocate or engage in violence or other criminal activities, or are racist. The list was compiled from field reports, Patriot publications, the Internet, law enforcement sources and news reports. Groups are identified by the city, county or region where they are located.

They do not list 'we are change' under 'Hate' groups.

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Were still on that list, which is suspect IMO.

made a thread on it a few weeks back

www.abovetopsecret.com...

you may be right, we may not be labeled as a hate group, but with what glenn beck said to jesse ventura, 'Hatriots' I wouldn't put it passed them in trying to demonize, or label these groups as a hate group of some sort.

Originally posted by ugie1028
Were still on that list, which is suspect IMO.

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you may be right, we may not be labeled as a hate group, but with what glenn beck said to jesse ventura, 'Hatriots' I wouldn't put it passed them in trying to demonize, or label these groups as a hate group of some sort.

lol, so as a member of a group that the SPLC suggests "engage in groundless conspiracy theorizing" you suspect they might eventually label you a hate group. Okie dokie.

[edit on 31-3-2010 by melatonin]

Excellent thread, as usual! Honestly, I haven't given thought to the SPLC, since the mid 1990's. During that time, they were sending frequent "newsletters" to law enforcement agencies, regarding the "militia" movements.

I, always, found it interesting how they vehemently focused on what they perceived as the negative characteristics of militia groups.

To me, what defines the credibility of such "watchdog" groups, is the focus of their activities. Do they use their resources to dispel the falsehoods of the groups, which they declare as malevolent? Or, is their intent to, simply, silence those with opposing views?

I, often, use that measure of credibility, here on ATS. Some posters, such as melatonin, offer their opposing views, respectfully and with evidence of their positions. Others, immediately, devolve into insults and name calling. I think the true "haters" are, easily, recognizable.

In closing, as with any group such as the SPLC, the truth can be found by following the money. Donor lists and PAC funds reveal truth.