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but the magic creation of human beings isnt silly? it sounds fairytale-esque to me
Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by impaired
1: You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of YOUR god.
but its okay to deny someon elses god right?
Is a Christian not allowed to get upset when someone says their God doesn't exist? Don't people of other faiths get upset when their god is denied?
2: You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
I know plenty of Christians that don't believe in evolution and none of them feel dehumanized or insulted when evolutionists say that humans evolved from lesser forms of life. They just feel that the evolution theory is silly.
Also, being Christian doesn't not necessarily imply not believing in evolution. Many Christians believe that evolution may have played some role in creation.
3: You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem with believing in a Trinity god.
I've yet to meet a Christian that's laughed at polytheists.
To equate the Trinity to polytheism though shows not even the simplest understanding of what the Trinity is.
4: Your face turns purple when you hear of the atrocities attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehova slaughtered all of the babies of Egypt in 'Exodus' and ordered the elimination of ENTIRE ETHNIC GROUPS in 'Joshua' - including women, children, and animals.
then what were they? please elaborate
I know that I'm going to catch flak for this, as the Nephilim were already mentioned, but the "ethnic groups" that were "wiped out", when you take the Bible at face value weren't exactly human.
5: You laugh at Hindu beliefs that defy humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem in believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
maybe there are no bones because either the tomb is lost or he never existed
Now, the Holy Spirit allowing Mary to conceive has nothing to do with God actually having relations with Mary.
If you have a problem with the idea of Jesus' death, burial, resurrection, and ascension, that's something between you and God. If it didn't happen, all those that were against Jesus and his teachings had to do was bring forth his bones after three days.
6: You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old.
Not all Christians are Young Earth Creationists. I'm not for example. Many others aren't either. I believe that the Universe is 13 billion years old and the Earth is 4.55 billion years old.
The Pentateuch says that it was more or less dictated by God to Moses. Yes, Genesis says that everything was created in six days. According to whose time though? Science has discovered that time is affected by where you're at. It's entirely possible that the days that are mentioned are from God's point of view. (This in fact, is what the ancient Jewish rabbinc sages believed.)
"The Hebrew word for ‘day’ is ‘yom’ and this word can occasionally be used to mean an indefinite period of time, if the content warrants. In the overwhelming preponderance of its occurrences in the O.T., however, it means a literal day… Still further, the plural form of the word (Hebrew 'yamim') is used over 700 times in the O.T. and always, without exception, refers to literal ‘days.’"
7: You believe that the entire population of this planet, with the exception of those who share your beliefs - though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend eternity in an infinite hell of suffering. Yet you consider your religion the most tolerant and loving.
there are a lot of christians out there who will tell you that that is bunk
Well, it's not our choice as to who goes to hell and who doesn't. God has said that the only way to him is through Christ. Christians are called to preach that message and love our neighbors as ourselves in order to show Christ's love. Yes, some aren't as good at this than others. None the less, in the end, it is your choice as to what you're going to do with the Gospel Message. God has warned you, and Christians continue to warn you today. At the Final Judgement, you'll have no excuse. You were warned.
8: While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some person rolling around on the floor 'speaking in tongues' may be all the evidence you need.
Not all Christians are Pentecostal/Charismatic. As the trend has been so far through this post, I'm not. Not all Christians are, only a very small group. Many Christians, like myself, do believe that the sign gifts have a purpose for today. I'll go on to say to that the "speaking in tongues" that we all know is not what is shown in the Bible and the Charismatic Movement isn't even remotely practicing the gift as it should.
9: You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be the evidence that prayer works, and you think that the remaining 99.99 % failure was simply the will of God.
10: You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history, but still call yourself a "Christian".
EVERYTHING. jk i dont know anything about that
Wouldn't that actually be a sign that someone may not actually be Christian?
You wouldn't call someone a Buddhist that thought Buddha meditated under a palm tree, would you?
What I love are the non-Christians that think they know more about Christianity than the Christian, but refuse to listen to what a Christian may say about something because it contradicts what the person already believes (i.e., that the First Council of Nicea had anything to do with the canon of the New Testament.)
Originally posted by zaiger
Originally posted by ashanu90
reply to post by zaiger
so do you suffer from the ten points or not?
No i do not suffer from the "ten points" im not even christian. But i do not have to be christian to see that those 10 points are every bit as retarded as the 10 points i laid out.
i have the impression that you are a pissed of zealot
So i disagree with that crap so i am a "pissed zealot"? I believe that is probably the most ignorant thing i have heard all day.
[edit on 31-3-2010 by zaiger]
The problem here with these points is that just like some Christians, it asserts a dogmatic perspective that attacks anyone who does not accept them.
It's childish rhetorical questioning that while certainly brings up some valid criticism chooses to dress the criticism not from an objective point of view but from a non-religious point of view.
"Is [God] willing to prevent evil, but not able? then is he impotent. Is he able, but not willing? then is he malevolent. Is he both able and willing? whence then is evil?"-Epicurus.