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Some very interesting thoughts, and I would like to add my own.
Originally posted by MischeviousElf
Originally posted by oozyism
For example, nothing can exist without 1.
It is all the same if it is 1 or a part of the 1 that is all.
This is a stubling block that caught me out for years.
And it takes some "Experience" or a change in perception from the "1" lol that is the individual ego, to the "1" that is all.
1 is existence, Zero is the absence of 1, zero is the absence of existence, zero does not exist. It is a description of the lack of existence of 1.
Zero, nothing can exist without 1
Yes, you are right. Zero does not exist, it is the description of the absence of 1, so 1 cannot divide itself by that which describes its very absence.
Zero cannot be divided by one.
My experiences have led me on different path, obviously, so I do not share your insights but they are very interesting. 1 exists and so it is valid, to say that existence(or 1) is the sign post of nothing, no validity or not existing as 1 or within 1 is illogical from my perspective.
"1" is just a signpost to eventually enable you to see the truth of nothing, emptiness, no validity of an seperate ego.
Or 1 could mean just that. It is all 1.
"1" is a measurement which denotes seperateness, differant things.
Or the terms "this" and "that" are subjective terms we use to help differentiate or divide aspects of 1. This would mean that "this" and "that" are all aspects of 1.
"1" is a moving away from union to "This" & "That"
Not really. There is just 1. One. All is one, only 1. Everything is one. We are all one, not separate or individual ones but all just 1.
"1" denoted there is somethig less and more
How do you conceptualize nothing? The only way nothing can be valid as a concept, is if there is something that exists to juxtapose it against the concept of it not existing at all so then we can call that absence of existence nothing.
We need to conceptualise to try and make sense explore this mystery, it serves us well on the road, journey and quest, but ultimately it must be abandoned to fully merge yourself into this rather than just talk about it or philosophise.
Originally posted by polarwarrior
I wouldnt say god is numeral 1 that misses the point.
God is infinity.
Infinity is unity.
Manyness is a finite concept. So yes all is one, and that one is infinite. But the numeral implies a discrete measurable in most minds rather than a complete interconnectedness between all things, and there being no such thing as seperation, only the illusion of it. Lol I laugh when I hear christians say why does god abandon us? what a contradiction, its god (a part of anyway) asking the question of where is god.
[edit on 30-3-2010 by polarwarrior]
Verily, in the sight of god, the nature of Jesus is as the nature of Adam, whom He created out of dust and then said unto him, 'Be.' - Qur'an 3:59
O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. The Christ Jesus, son of Mary, was but God's Apostle - His promise which He had conveyed unto Mary - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles, and do not say, '[God is] a trinity'. Desist for your own good. God is but One God; utterly remote is He, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as god. - Qur'an 4:171
Originally posted by oozyism
The Big Bang came from nothing, nope it came from something, from 1. The product of nothing is nothing. You can't get anything from nothing. You can't gain anything from 0 hence 0 divided by 1 equals 0. You need one always, and I believe that 1 is GOD.
I'm not trying to argue whether GOD exists or not, that is a whole new topic which need paragraphs after paragraphs of writing because most are really sticky about their beliefs, whether they are Atheist, Agnostics, or Theists.
What I'm trying to do is to side track and go to smaller points rather jumping straight to whether GOD exists or not.
It is also in Christian doctrine that GOD is one, not just Islam.
There are other sects of Christianity which believes GOD is one.