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Video Surveillance deployed inside London Public Bathrooms

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posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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Video Surveillance deployed inside London Public Bathrooms


www.networkworld.com

You can imagine my surprise after I paid my 50pence to use the public bathroom, walked in and found myself staring at not just one but three ceiling mounted video surveillance cameras. I had to get real close to their enclosures to convince myself that I wasn't seeing things. Not only was it really there, but it was a Pan-Tilt-Zoom model with a microphone to top it off. Must get some great noises coming from there. It has also been reported that London officials are now installing cameras with speakers to allow them to talk as well as see and listen. Perhaps its just me, but I had absolutely
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posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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Just when you think the UK couldn't get any worse, they go and raise the bar. As if 1984 prophecies aren't too obvious, there are now toilets in London with video cameras installed. Of course there's some type of insane logic at play - doubtless they justify it with some type of "stopping illegal activity" statement, but the British remain obsessed with voyeurism on a massive scale, with video cameras now installed in the homes of problem families. Total control of the masses happening before their very eyes, and not a peep out of anyone until a visiting American, not used to the rampant insanity of Britain today, reports on the bedlam.

www.networkworld.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 29-3-2010 by Retseh]



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:50 PM
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Ok let's back up the train a minute.

Did he just say he had to PAY to use a "public bathroom"???

You have GOT to be KIDDING me???!!!

That is the most ridiculous thing in that story, the part about the camera snooping isn't really surprising.

I would not pay, I would just threaten to let it go right there if not allowed human rights to use the toilet...



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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Sounds like you guys are living strait out of a science fiction novel. How can these things keep happening?
Things are just getting worse and worse.
So like am I dreaming or did I step off the planet and enter some unknown realm or what? The things that are happening there and in the US and other places is blowing my mind.

As for the pay toilets, I remember when we had them in the US too.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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Yeah, but if an American's gotta go, an American's gotta go.

Coin or no damn coin.



edit to add-OP What the hell!

[edit on 3/29/2010 by endisnighe]



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 10:35 PM
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Its normal here in the UK to pay to use a public toilet, its always been that way



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 11:02 PM
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Just jerk off in the public toilets. After all, you are only relieving a cramp. Those watching will soil their pants.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 11:10 PM
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Sometimes reading posts on this site is like listening to teenagers whining about anything that even hints of authority

Yes, you pay to use rest-rooms in some places. And for that money, you receive clean facilities, soaps, clean floors, etc.

You object for paying for that ? Ok, that's fine. You can relieve yourself on a filthy floor strew with toilet paper and other rubbish and try your luck at each stall, hoping to find a toilet which has been flushed and isn't filled with other people's filth, etc.

As to the cameras ... big deal, huh ? You'd prefer those open-air facilities they have in various parts of Europe where people relieve themselves in the centre of town with a modesty-shield that let's the world know exactly what you're doing

People are mugged in public toilets. They are raped and murdered and molested in public toilets. Drug exchanges and use takes place in public toilets, just as they do in filthy alleyways

So, if you're fine with backpacking around Europe and with relieving yourself concealed by a 'modesty strip' which leaves nothing to the imagination --- why would you object to cameras which reveal pretty much the same --- and which could save your life, your possession OR (more importantly) a child's life ?

But no ... whine, whine, like a bunch of 13 year olds who believe they're establishing their independence by challenging all rules



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by Dock9
Sometimes reading posts on this site is like listening to teenagers whining about anything that even hints of authority

Yes, you pay to use rest-rooms in some places. And for that money, you receive clean facilities, soaps, clean floors, etc.

You object for paying for that ? Ok, that's fine. You can relieve yourself on a filthy floor strew with toilet paper and other rubbish and try your luck at each stall, hoping to find a toilet which has been flushed and isn't filled with other people's filth, etc.

As to the cameras ... big deal, huh ? You'd prefer those open-air facilities they have in various parts of Europe where people relieve themselves in the centre of town with a modesty-shield that let's the world know exactly what you're doing

People are mugged in public toilets. They are raped and murdered and molested in public toilets. Drug exchanges and use takes place in public toilets, just as they do in filthy alleyways

So, if you're fine with backpacking around Europe and with relieving yourself concealed by a 'modesty strip' which leaves nothing to the imagination --- why would you object to cameras which reveal pretty much the same --- and which could save your life, your possession OR (more importantly) a child's life ?

But no ... whine, whine, like a bunch of 13 year olds who believe they're establishing their independence by challenging all rules


Actually your whining is a lot worse then theirs is.

But anyways bathrooms are suppose to be private, so I guess it depends on where the camera is located. obviously I wouldnt want one right over me in the stall. thats helluva invasion of privacy... more so for women. obviously you wouldn't want some creepo getting his jollies off of your gf/wife/sister whoever going to the bathroom now would you? just how you wouldnt want someone looking over your shoulder while you take a wizz. man i feel sad for those Brits, guess the only place you can find absolute privacy is in your own home with all the window curtains closed. man whats next, cameras that see thru walls?

and charging for a toilet? wow thats rediculous, so what is there like a man in front of the bathroom that takes your money then lets you in? wtf?

public bathrooms here in the US sure do get BLOWN up but that usually when they are at parks or non business places. the worst was in the army, now one breath in one of those bathrooms will make ur nostrils burn and your stomach turn. seriously I would either have to hold my breath or wear a gas mask the whole time.



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by findlesticks
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Its normal here in the UK to pay to use a public toilet, its always been that way


So i guess the very core of human existence is a non negotiable term. Doesn't that raise the least amount of concern ?

We all have two natural bodily functions

1 To eat (consume )
2 Extract ( Fluid or Solids)

How difficult is that to register within the neuron synapses.



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 02:11 AM
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Camera (even with speaker
) will not stop murder/rape if police response time is 10min+. Hence I advice authorities to equip cameras with remote controlled tasers or other (sometime) non-lethal punishment devices. You didn't wash your hands? Bad, bad boy - here you are! Grzzzzzzzz.

Seriously, Orwell's nightmare is almost fulfilled in surveillance obsessed western societies. Author of idea of Panopticon probably lacked imagination - total surveillance prison is nothing if compared with total surveillance town/state.



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 02:34 AM
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I'm mean no offense here but your obvious acceptance of these and other intrusions into our privacy is exactly why the UK government has been allowed to get away with this crap.

20 years ago this kind of thing would cause outrage and possibly even riots. Now we have apathy. The majority seem to believe that the government needs to protect them from everything.

Why for example were there free and clean public toilets 20 years ago? Who paid for them? You did with income tax, rates or what is now known as council tax. Guess what, 'You' still pay all of those taxes albeit at a higher rate and "still" have to pay extra to take a leak.

The governments coffers are being filled left right and centre from joe public yet they still demand more and more.

Don't get me even started on the persecution of the motorist, wheres all that scamera money going? Surely some it could pay for a mop and some soap?

I hope the UK wakes up before its too late, however I feel its too late already.

Thankfully I don't live there anymore.



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 03:08 AM
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I love the "child's life"...anything particularly stupid, an appeal is always made to "what about the children" and immediately our minds go blank and we must say "oh yes you're right"...

I would be embarrassed to be a poison toad who unironically uttered such a mush-brained cliché ...good luck with that...



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 03:10 AM
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Of course you have to pay to use some public toilets;

Where do you think the euphemistic phrase 'spend a penny' comes from?



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by CRB86
Of course you have to pay to use some public toilets;

Where do you think the euphemistic phrase 'spend a penny' comes from?
I was about to mention that phrase


Although these days, it's more like spend 20p, or in the case of the story 50p.

50p to pee is poo!

Luckily, most public conviniences are FREE!! There is not a nazi control system over our lavatories. Rest at ease


(I do agree that they should all be free (and camera free) and paid for by our plentiful taxes)



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Dock9

As to the cameras ... big deal, huh ?

People are mugged in public toilets. They are raped and murdered and molested in public toilets. Drug exchanges and use takes place in public toilets, just as they do in filthy alleyways



And this type of thinking is why it is allowed to happen. Just let us watch you every second of the day and you'll be perfectly safe mantra.

Amazing, especially when you actually read someone's post who actually BELIEVES it.



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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Someone or a few people, need to put on a real show for the camera imo. I can think of a number of things that would greatly deter these people from wanting to reevaluate the video footage. And they have a mic...even better.



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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There have been CCTV cameras in nearly all toilets in nightclubs for years. its nothing new. It even warns you in some clubs before you go in.

I'm surprised they haven't done it sooner. Saying that, who would want to use a public bathroom anyway? They are not the safest or cleanest of places.



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by thesneakiod
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There have been CCTV cameras in nearly all toilets in nightclubs for years. its nothing new. It even warns you in some clubs before you go in.

I'm surprised they haven't done it sooner. Saying that, who would want to use a public bathroom anyway? They are not the safest or cleanest of places.

Will CCTV clean the toilet? Such technology is unknown for me - stupid terrestrial.

Edit to add: Sorry I missed your point. Be happy with surveillance society, but do not impose it on me. Thanks.

[edit on 30-3-2010 by zeddissad]



posted on Mar, 30 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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Here's a quick easy solution to put a stop to this kind of perversion: Send your kids in there to use the toilet ... and then get a lawyer to prosecute these peeping pervs for pedophilia, child pornography, etc. Why on Earth would they need to see what is going on inside the toilet room, can't they just observe who goes in and who goes out? And, wouldn't a microphone be sufficient if they were only interested in hear if there was a rape or whatever else going on in there?

Well, anyhow, I suppose it's all a rather trivial issue anyhow. I mean, first, nobody needs to use video monitored toilets if they don't want to, and secondly, just what does anyone have to hide anyhow? It's not like the human anatomy is some kind of secret, they aren't going to see something that they haven't seen already or already know about.



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