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Originally posted by nomorecruelty
[edit on 30/3/2010 by Dark Ghost]
God allows satan to "exist" in order to "use" him to fulfill His plans for us on Earth. Satan knows he is a dead man walking, and he also knows that his time here is short, and it's all coming down to the wire. That is why you see all the talk now about the satanic influences within our music - satan knows the way to get the kids is through music. I.e. Lady Gaga, Madonna, Manson, Ozzy, JayZ, Beyonce, etc.
"Is [God] willing to prevent evil, but not able? then is he impotent. Is he able, but not willing? then is he malevolent. Is he both able and willing? whence then is evil?"-Epicurus.
Originally posted by ClinTrojan
These NDE are just natural '___' experiences that your brain causes when it thinks your dying. When you die your brain releases many chemicals including '___', which can cause you to believe your being abducted by aliens, meeting God, and even drifting in a abyss of nothingness...
It is just between psychological underlying and how your body accepts the chemical that causes a certain reaction to take place. Some people see the bright lights, some see the hellfire, some experience completely random things.
Satan is working very hard to deceive us into believing that there is no such place as hell -
Either the teachings have been corrupted from their original words or the deity we believe is God has a very evil/cruel side
Originally posted by piedsniper
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread556505
Hell did not even exist in the old testament, so that would imply that if it were a real place then your god did not invent it until the new testament and even then rather vaguely.
Given that your primary source material is the the bibles and that these scriptures tend to be erroneous, and often times incorporating elements of other religions it would be fair to conclude that hell is merely a construct of the imagination of the superstitious mind.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
Either the teachings have been corrupted from their original words or the deity we believe is God has a very evil/cruel side. Nobody knows for sure, but to demonstrate how ridiculous this idea of Hell is, I will give you an example.
Imagine I create video game where I am given Godlike powers. I can create anything and everything I want as quickly and accurately as I want. There is no limit to what I can create and there is no creation that does not come from me. (Every single character of code that is created in this game has derived from the code I have created. It is impossible for anything to be out of my control because everything in this game comes from me and my code).
Now imagine I start to create beings. Eventually I create a very complex and intricate world where the number of variables are astounding - not to me, but to the creations within my world. I eventually create Angels that are given extra power above all other creations in this world. I eventually find out that one of the Angels has created a place where he can tempt creations below him to enter. In this place creations are tortured and tormented for eternity. I can pretend the place does not exist, but that would mean I the creator am lying to myself. (In actuality I could make myself pretend I don't know, but what would this make me?)
Now, even if I did not have the foresight to see one of my Angels creating this place of perpetual suffering, I am aware that it exists. I am certain that many of my own creations are destined to a perpetual life of torture but I tell them that all they need to do is believe in me and follow my teachings to be spared from this place.
If Hell does exist as a physical location, then God KNOWS that the majority of his creations are destined to a life of perpetual suffering from which they cannot escape. That he allows this place to continue to exist, to continue to allow one of his fallen Angels to tempt people to this place knowing the consequences for their souls suggests that God is not a loving, righteous God.
Originally posted by ashanu90
that is an idiotic statement. i bet you would blame marilyn manson for columbine as well
You should spend a few minutes researching - you might be surprised.
And "blame" is a far cry from "influencing". No one can make you commit a crime, but you can be "influenced" by music, in the same way as people are able to be hypnotized.
I don't "blame" Manson for Columbine - but according to the authorities, Manson was a huge influence in those two boy's lives - i.e. music, posters, concerts, etc.
Originally posted by OldThinker
If it is not, why did the Lord Jesus Christ “HAVE TO” die?
Considering everyone was in those times via the indoctrinations of the Hebrew Faith then Yes he would have been too since he was raised in a Hebrew household.
Was he mis-informed?
Pretty good scare tactic then huh. Say it then reinforce it over and over.
There are over 162 references in the New Testament which warn of Hell.
No. He was a modern thinker stuck in an old-world culture. Therefore he had to use the words and concepts of that culture to get his ideas across, which I think is responsible for our present misunderstandings on his "mission".
Was he delusional?
Yes, and many, many years after the supposed facts.
Is it all just a story written by men?
See: five personal stories of hell here: www.thelakeoffire.com...
Did they just have too much pizza, before bedtime? Or was what they experienced real?
Not really, at least he had some manners in as much as he didn't say "F... off you c..." or chase you and attack you with a length of pipe.
..... “to go to hell…. you MF!” …think he meant that?
And why is it that non believers will use the Bible for reference to try to make their point, at the same time they denounce it.
I know is true the bible says so
The bible is gods' word
The bible was inspired by god
The bible was written by men inspired by god
You have to understand it in context
I just choose to believe it is true
It was, and is, OUR choice that causes us to break those laws - we have NO ONE to blame for that but US.