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Do you think HADES/HELL/etc is real? Or a made-up thing?

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posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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Good question!

If it is not, why did the Lord Jesus Christ “HAVE TO” die?

Was he mis-informed?

There are over 162 references in the New Testament which warn of Hell.

Over 70 of these references are attributed to Him…

Was he delusional?

Is it all just a story written by men?

See: five personal stories of hell here: www.thelakeoffire.com...

Did they just have too much pizza, before bedtime? Or was what they experienced real?

Thoughts?

OT

PS: I had some dude tell me “to go to hell…. you MF!” just because I didn’t make a left turn quick enough (which he was unable to see, I couldn’t go) and he had to turn his wheel a few more times than normal to get by me…think he meant that?




posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 07:58 PM
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A search found:


What you're about to read is hard to believe. . .

We're going to examine the place the Bible calls hell. We'll present documented evidence for a place called hell. Don't take what you're going to read lightly. If what you read is true — YOU COULD BE IN SERIOUS DANGER!

Several years ago a book was published, entitled Beyond Death's Door by Dr. Maurice Rawlings. Dr. Rawlings, a specialist in Internal Medicine and Cardiovascular Disease, resuscitated many people who had been clinically dead. Dr. Rawlings, a devout atheist, "considered all religion "hocus-pocus" and death nothing more than a painless extinction". But something happened in 1977 that brought a dramatic change in the life of Dr. Rawlings! He was resuscitating a man, terrified and screaming — descending down into the flames of hell:
"Each time he regained heartbeat and respiration, the patient screamed, "I am in hell!" He was terrified and pleaded with me to help him. I was scared to death. . . Then I noticed a genuinely alarmed look on his face. He had a terrified look worse than the expression seen in death! This patient had a grotesque grimace expressing sheer horror! His pupils were dilated, and he was perspiring and trembling — he looked as if his hair was "on end."
Then still another strange thing happened. He said,"Don't you understand? I am in hell. . . Don't let me go back to hell!" . . .the man was serious, and it finally occurred to me that he was indeed in trouble. He was in a panic like I had never seen before."
(Maurice Rawlings, Beyond Death's Door,(Thomas Nelson Inc., 1979) p. 3).
Dr. Rawlings said, no one, who could have heard his screams and saw the look of terror on his face could doubt for a single minute that he was actually in a place called hell!

The Bible continually warns of a place called hell. There are over 162 references in the New Testament alone which warns of hell. And over 70 of these references were uttered by the Lord Jesus Christ!

In Luke 16, Jesus Christ gives a frightening picture of hell:

22 . . . the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. (Luke 16:22-28)


Source: www.av1611.org...



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Do you believe in Hell?


Nope. I believe Hell (and Heaven, while we're on the subject) was something made up as a form of social control. That said, I do believe in a higher power. Not a conscious god, per se, but some ultimate force that's existed since the beginning and is eternal. I do not believe the Ultimate Force to be all-knowing (or even capable of thought), and for that reason I see no reason to assume belief in an afterlife, the power of prayer, any sacred text, or the human soul.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:06 PM
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TruthOverload, Welcome to ATS...we may disagree on the faith stuff, but we do agree ATS is a great place to discuss these things...enjoy the boards ok?

OT



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:08 PM
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Hades in ancent mythology was simply the place where all souls went after death.

Hell, on the other hand is where bad souls go for their eternal punishment according to Christianity.

I personally believe in Hell, the Devil, God and Heaven but, as in all things spiritual, there is no scientific method to possibly determine whether these things exist. For now, we'll all have to take it as a matter of faith whether we believe in these things or not.

Unfortunately, we'll all find out the truth of the matter soon enough when we meet our ends. At that time one side or the other will be saying "I told you so".

Well, maybe not the atheists because, if they're right, life just ends into nothingness and nobody will be around to say anything.




Edit for spellin. Darn fat fingers!!


[edit on 3/29/10 by FortAnthem]



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:13 PM
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Fort A, yeah, you and I know the difference, because of our education...

but for the thread I included both...as a matter of discussion...

So glad you joined!

OT



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:18 PM
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Hi OT-

I think I sort of agree with TruthOverlord-

IMO, heaven/hell are metaphors used to describe: yin/yang - good/evil - duality of life, etc.
I do believe in spirituality, but I do not follow religion.
Good thread, will be interesting to follow.
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ETA:
That said, there are stories that one hears or things that people go through that seem unexplainable and unbelievable when they are told. I would never presume to know the answers for certain, this is only my opinion based on that which I currently know. Someday, maybe I'll find out for sure...




[edit on 29-3-2010 by LadySkadi]



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:23 PM
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HEY! LadyS,

Glad you have found agreement on ATS...you are always welcome on OT's threads...

When you can please see: www.youtube.com...

This Mickey Robinson vid seems very sincere to me...he seems honest, I dunno? This shI*t is hard I know....

Let me know,. ok?

OT



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:34 PM
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According to the bible, "hell" is just a fiery pit. The word "heaven" means "sky". The gods ascended and descended the heavens (the sky) in their fiery chariots, pillars and clouds (i.e. ships).



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by LadySkadi
Hi OT-

.......
Good thread, will be interesting to follow.
___________________________________
ETA:
That said, there are stories that one hears or things that people go through that seem unexplainable and unbelievable when they are told. I would never presume to know the answers for certain, this is only my opinion based on that which I currently know. Someday, maybe I'll find out for sure...
[edit on 29-3-2010 by LadySkadi]



I appreciate your openess....


I have always lived by, "none of us is as smart as all of us"


There is definitely more for us to learn, huh?


OT



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:36 PM
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Not an attempt to hi-jack your thread OT, but when you get the opportunity to do so, and if it is something you would be willing to do. Visit the thread in my signature. After conducting this experiment it has totally changed my thinking. I believe Heaven and Hell exist. The voices I was able to record and where this place is that the voices are coming from however is up for debate.

I have heard them with my own ears. Some people are skeptical and I can appreciate their view and before the experiment mirrored those views, but I did this experiment and stand firm as to what I heard. Again, at your leisure, I'd be curious as to your take on my experiment and the results in which were achieved. Thank you in advance Sir and S&F for the thread!



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by _BoneZ_
According to the bible, "hell" is just a fiery pit. The word "heaven" means "sky". The gods ascended and descended the heavens (the sky) in their fiery chariots, pillars and clouds (i.e. ships).






BonesZ great insight, take us further....ok....what are the implications here?

OT



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
BonesZ great insight, take us further

As my time is limited at the moment, I'll post a link you can spend days and weeks reading up on:

The Bible UFO Connection




posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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They are made up places, mythical. Many Biblical references to hell refer to Gehenna. There are others mentioned including Sheoul, the Pit, Hades, Tartarus, the Lake of Fire, etc. The Bible is anything but clear on which ones exist or are real or if they are the same place.

I think the idea of a loving God damning people to a fiery hell pit for all eternity is one of the most laughably nonsensical ideas ever used to control people and yet it does just that. There are millions of people who order their lives and morals around fear of being put into a fiery pit by a God that IS LOVE and loves them.

Jesus didn't die for our sins, he died because he questioned the religious establishment of the day. Jesus was a rebel, he saw the corrupt religious system as holding people back. Instead of rising up to save themselves the people waited on a Messiah who never showed up, sure many would-be Messiahs had come and gone. Jesus taught people how, through love, they might become their own Saviors, he also taught them that hollow religious ritual wasn't important, that kindness and love were better ways to enter the Kingdom than repetitious prayers. Jesus also taught that we are all sons and daughters of god, we are all saviors, and we must all die to ourselves in order to help save the greater world. So no I don't think Jesus died for our sins, he died because he threatened the status quo and only later did he become a supernatural figure - the true profoundness of his philosophy is down-played by supernatural nonsense. The true miracle is love, not the multiplication of some fish or some solar deity esque Resurrection.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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Hell, like Heaven, is a very real place, just as when you dream you are in a real place. As a Christian I believe of each in the literal sense. It is said that God spoke to Jacob in a dream, and to Joseph in a dream to warn about Herod's plan to kill Jesus as an infant. So the dream state is a real actual place.

For the scientifically minded, heaven and Hell are different dimensions somehow connected to this world although we do not actual see them with physical eyes. But Stephen, when he was being stoned to death, did see heaven opened and Jesus at the right hand of God the Father.

Scientists are just beginning to theorize about the multiverse where two or more dimensional universes can inhabit the same space. Our universe may be sandwiched between to other dimensional places we know as heaven and hell. We are told in scripture that the eye has never seen nor the ear heard of the things in heaven. So heaven in comparison would be the difference between walking in a green field under beautiful blue skies with a nice breeze on your back, and watching the same on video tape.

In the same way, this world is as far apart from hell as heaven is from this world. So if we look at it that way, hell is the absence of what this world and universe is. Heaven is light. The whole universe is light, not just stars. But hell is called outer darkness. We are the yellow line in the road as it were.

When a human dies, his soul is no longer bound to this universe and will ascend or descend to whatever his soul is made for. If it is made for the heavenly, it will go there. If for hell it will go there.

Let us say that your life were a car and you drive right down the line steady and sure, and that when you die you simply let go of the wheel. What happens ? It either shoots left or right. That's how it works with life when we die. We are no longer in control.

But hell is still not the end for even it will be cast into another place where nothing exists except fire. And can we see that a universe made of fire can exist ? Yes ? Ours was made of pure fire after the initial expansion. The Bible says that death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.

Now, if you don't want to go to hell, ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and save you. He will and you won't go there. Reject Him and you will definitely go there.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:44 PM
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UberL33t, no, not at all...your signature ADDS to it....

More from THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL Special here.... www.youtube.com...

Honored you joined....

My prayer is some will LISTEN....

OT cautions "watch watchfully"...this is NO GAME!!!!!!



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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Based on things I have experienced as well as a few other people's NDE's I think hell is a reckoning of all of one's misgivings and selfish ministrations and this will inform the next step which I believe is a form of reincarnation.

Those are my personal beliefs and I have no problem working them into my Christianity...Oh, yes, you heard me right. For those who didn't know, I am a follower of Christ - one with a sense of humor and an open heart for the dynamic teachings of the Christ which are still here and available to all who seek.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:49 PM
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TS, once again you stumpled on OT's thread...thank you, I respect your take on things....


When it comes to TLJC....yep...He died for me....I thank Him and reserve the right to PRAISE Him, heck its been 5 decades of talking to him...either OT's a good dude...or a delusional old man



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:52 PM
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Fromabove, hey ATS old-timer....

What brings you by OT's latest?

Honored!



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:53 PM
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