The Russians are up to something

I was bored so googled fighter jet intercepts (something like that) and it came up with an extremely recent article from the 25th about two RAF jets intercepting a russian bomber. www.dailymail.co.uk...

so anyway I did some more digging and it seems the Russians are trying to test our response times as it says in the article. I also saw that something similar happened in canada with a Russian bomber overflying their territory. www....[hate-site-nolink]/forum/showthread.php?t=576755 (link in thread is dead but there is general info. It also seems in the fast 6 years there have been a number of cases such as a two russian bombers overflying the USS Nimitz www.nationalterroralert.com...
from that last article it also states that the USS kitty hawk was overflown in the same kind of situation. It appears as if the Russians are trying to judge how effective these countries are at responding to air threats and it also seems like they are trying to spark something off. Anyway sorry if someone has already posted this but I don't imagine so as it is a pretty recent article. Post any thought you have here and I look forward to hearing from you.

(I sound like a dodgy tv presenter now )

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and it seems our friendly commie (oh wait they aren't any more) Putin threated to aim nuclear weapons at european cities

some more apparently we need better radar

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[edit on 29-3-2010 by Luke.S]

And dont forget our side of the pond) Those ruskies are everywhere. Seriously tho i will sleep so much better when Obama makes a deal with them to cut our nukes by one third.hmm hmm www.huffingtonpost.com...

it is slightly worrying when they keep encroaching on the territories of other countries. What are they trying to do provoke a war (possibly nuclear) hell we know russia must have a large nuclear arsenal if they can aim weapons at most major cities. I wonder if we are looking at a cold war VERSION 2

Of course they're up to something. It's because we (the U.S.) have been up to something on a much greater scale than Russia for some time now, and they're just trying to play catch-up. Unfortunately, this silly little game will continue for quite awhile.

They´ve done it in Estonia as well, where I live (it´s next to Russia) and they always deny it afterwards. We have long history with Russia as our neihbour, but this last one was a bit amazing even for me, because their planes were in UK´s air 4 hours and after they just said, that it never happened. Yes, it seams, that Russia is testing how far they can go and they can go far as it seams, because other countries are scared to do anything.

Nothing to see here. This game has been going on for decades. They do it to us, we do it to them. Subs play the game, aircraft play the game. There is nothing new to this at all.

Originally posted by bluemooone2
And dont forget our side of the pond) Those ruskies are everywhere. Seriously tho i will sleep so much better when Obama makes a deal with them to cut our nukes by one third.hmm hmm www.huffingtonpost.com...

russia is the US friend, they will co operate, they will enforce sancions against iran. they will cut down thier nukes. they will eventually gain you're trust. you will share technologies and invasion plans with them, then they will backstab you. russia was never and will never be a US ally. obama is being fooled, and only we he gets rid of most US nukes, the russians will come !!

Russia stated, last year I think, they wanted to rebuild their place in the world (power wise). Interesting what that their doing I believe we're moving closer to the Gog-Magog war and what Russia is doing now is building up towards it and not even knowing it. Their incursion into Georgia clearly showed, however their military is out of control and lacks professionalism. Their just a bunch of hard-headed people. Always have been, its in their blood. Because of it, they might just boil over after these terror attacks today. Perhaps Chechnya again? Or perhaps a deeper push towards Israel?

i'm just waiting for the news article on the bbc or somewhere like that I can see it now
(article I can imagine below)

Russia Declare war on the UK and USA.

Reports have just surfaced that last week a Russian TU-160 bomber overflying the United Kingdom was intercepted and shot down by two RAF tornado fighters. The aircraft entered UK airspace and did not respond to radio calls leaving the Fighter crew no choice. This is the first recorded air to air kill by the RAF since world war two. We currently have little idea of the implications but can confirm that Russia openly declared war. At the same time the United Nations declared war on Russia in support of the UK and USA.

I hope it doesn't happen but for the past few months I have had a feeling in the pit of my stomach something is going to happen and this is just increasing my fears. Something is likely to spark off and we will be facing Russia and China. I fear another world war is likely to happen and the Russians are trying to provoke it.

edit - sounds like there is another cold war starting to develop www.dailymail.co.uk...

[edit on 29-3-2010 by Luke.S]

The same game is being played today that has been played for years, and it is played by every military in the world. They push the limits to see just how far the other country's military will allow them to go. As long as everybody plays nice, nobody else knows about it.

I recall while I was aboard an aircraft carrier in 1980 in the Indian Ocean, we had 2 scrambles for our F-4's to escort the Russian Bear's as they flew over. My cousin was on the Nimitz in the same time frame and the same station and the Russians overflew them as well.

Same games, different faces.

off topic but just to cheer up the mood this was an interesting and touching read. I'll have to look for this book

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on topic - Putin seems to be trying to provoke war whether or not he knows it is another matter.

[edit on 29-3-2010 by Luke.S]

Originally posted by Amandla
They´ve done it in Estonia as well, where I live (it´s next to Russia) and they always deny it afterwards. We have long history with Russia as our neihbour, but this last one was a bit amazing even for me, because their planes were in UK´s air 4 hours and after they just said, that it never happened. Yes, it seams, that Russia is testing how far they can go and they can go far as it seams, because other countries are scared to do anything.

So much bs being posted these days. It's amazing.

The Russian bombers did NOT enter British air space.
They entered an area near/before British air space, which under British protocols, they send up fighters to intercept and identify the aircraft approaching their air space.

No it doesn't meant Russia is testing how far they can go. Far out some really ignorant comments.

Flying to the outskirts of another nations air space is done all the time, it has been going on for decades.

And for your information, even the Americans do it. Yes, to Russia as well.
Do you remember the American spy plane forced to land in China after a mid air collision?
It wasn't in China's air space, but the Chinese sent planes up to intercept and identify it. Standard practice. What happened after, wasn't standard practice.

People making mountains out of mole hills again.

In the mean time, there are two NATO members who have come to the brink of war three times since the 1980's, with one having territorial claims over the other, flying it's just directly over the others inhabited islands, and you people wouldn't have a clue what I'm actually talking about right now.
That's how sad this whole situation is. A big deal is made about a non-event, while an actual event that could turn into a war in a few moments, is ignored.

Originally posted by Luke.S
i'm just waiting for the news article on the bbc or somewhere like that I can see it now
(article I can imagine below)

Russia Declare war on the UK and USA.

Reports have just surfaced that last week a Russian TU-160 bomber overflying the United Kingdom was intercepted and shot down by two RAF tornado fighters. The aircraft entered UK airspace and did not respond to radio calls leaving the Fighter crew no choice. This is the first recorded air to air kill by the RAF since world war two. We currently have little idea of the implications but can confirm that Russia openly declared war. At the same time the United Nations declared war on Russia in support of the UK and USA.

I hope it doesn't happen but for the past few months I have had a feeling in the pit of my stomach something is going to happen and this is just increasing my fears. Something is likely to spark off and we will be facing Russia and China. I fear another world war is likely to happen and the Russians are trying to provoke it.

edit - sounds like there is another cold war starting to develop www.dailymail.co.uk...

[edit on 29-3-2010 by Luke.S]

Wow, just wow.

And that's not a good wow.

Originally posted by DeltaCommando5
Russia stated, last year I think, they wanted to rebuild their place in the world (power wise). Interesting what that their doing I believe we're moving closer to the Gog-Magog war and what Russia is doing now is building up towards it and not even knowing it. Their incursion into Georgia clearly showed, however their military is out of control and lacks professionalism. Their just a bunch of hard-headed people. Always have been, its in their blood. Because of it, they might just boil over after these terror attacks today. Perhaps Chechnya again? Or perhaps a deeper push towards Israel?

Wow, some borderline racism here.

Russia went into Georgia because Georgia attacked Russian peace keepers who were in the break away republics under a UNITED NATIONS MANDATE.

Guess who backed Georgia? The USA
Guess who armed Georgia? The USA
Guess who trained Georgian troops? The USA

Maybe it's the USA who is building up for this Gog-Magog war without even knowing it.

Maybe it's the USA who will push deeper into the Middle East and against Israel? Relations have hit a new low recently. The US has publicly scorned Israel. Israel has publicly given the US the finger over settlements.

Oh but that's right, extremist far right christian evangelicals in the USA, who don't even follow an original bible but rather a new age one with contradictions and lies, believe America is God's country and everyone else is going to hell.

Too bad none of them realise the Jewish lobby in America is taking them for a ride. If they woke up, we might actually see an American foreign policy in regards to the Middle East which brings about peace.

I found this Dutch article about russian bombers,


2 F16s from Dutch Royal airforce intercepted 2 Russian long distance bombers type TU-95 MS above the North sea. They succeeded in guiding them away from European airspace.
This is the second time in a month that Russian bombers penetrated European airspace.
Sorry, link in Dutch : www.ad.nl...

F16's from the the Royal Norwegian Air Force have been intercepting long distance bombplanes and other military planes from Russia for many years, even today.. 2-3 times each month.

Well, one of the reasons they're probing our Canadian airspace is because they're trying to claim ownership of the Arctic Sea. I don't know if this was posted above, but just another example of how this could be something blown out of proportion.

Russia could care less about our effectiveness of air-space, they have multiple ways of delivering a payload.

I took the time to find some of the reports related to the military pushing for new nukes and how the Congress is telling them NO!

Congressional Research Service Report RS21619
Nuclear Weapons and U.S. National Security: A Need for
New Weapons Programs?
Updated September 15, 2003

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In the 2001 Nuclear Posture Review, the Bush Administration outlined a new role
forU.S. nuclear weapons that goes beyond the concept of deterrence from the ColdWar.
It also identified a newtargeting strategy thatwould seek to threaten specific capabilities
in adversary nations. Furthermore, the Administration has pledged to restore and
enhance the U.S. nuclear weapons infrastructure, as part of the U.S. effort to deter the
emergence of new threats in the future. In implementing the NPR, the Administration
has requested funding for studies on new types of nuclear weapons. The Administration
claims these projects, if they eventually produce new weapons, would enhance
deterrence; critics claim they will make nuclear use more likely and undermine U.S.
nonproliferation goals. This report will be updated as needed.

The BushAdministration’s Nuclear Posture Review (NPR), completed at the end of
2001, sought to adjust the U.S. nuclear posture to reflect, on the one hand, the emergence
of a more cooperative relationship between the United States and Russia, and, on the
other hand, increasing threats from other states and non-state actors, particularly those
armed with nuclear, chemical and biological weapons (weapons of mass destruction or
WMD). The Administration has highlighted these changes in the international security
environment in several documents, including the U.S. National Security Strategy and the
Strategy to Combat Weapons of Mass Destruction. The Administration has also
emphasized that the United States will use any means necessary to deter or defeat the use
of WMD by rogue nations or terrorist groups. One of the issues highlighted in the
Nuclear Posture Review is the role that nuclear weapons might play in addressing these
emerging threats.1

Congress told him No!

Congressional Research Service
Report RL33748
Nuclear Warheads: The Reliable Replacement Warhead
Program and the Life Extension Program
December 3, 2007

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Congressional Research Service
Report RL32929
The Reliable Replacement Warhead Program: Background
and Current Developments
September 12, 2008

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Most current U.S. nuclear warheads were built in the 1970s and 1980s and are
being retained longer than was planned. Yet they deteriorate and must be maintained.
To correct problems, a Life Extension Program (LEP), part of a larger Stockpile
Stewardship Program (SSP), replaces components. Modifying some components
would require a nuclear test, but the United States has observed a test moratorium
since 1992. Congress and the Administration prefer to avoid a return to testing, so
LEP rebuilds these components as closely as possible to original specifications. With
this approach, the Secretaries of Defense and Energy have certified stockpile safety
and reliability for the past 12 years without nuclear testing.

If you read through the report you will see where the DOD wants new nukes the request it in ever bill. Bush would support the DOD in wanting new nukes. But Congress has repeatedly said No! Now the DOD does not have Bush to help push for new nukes because Obama is with Congress on saying No! So what does the DOD do the turn to propaganda about UFOs making them useless. Now we just have to wait to see where they go next with this approach?

Just to show you how often Bush and the DOD pushed for new nukes.

12/01/08 — A study by the Congressional Commission on the Strategic Posture
of the United States, established by the conference version of H.R.
1585, FY2008 defense authorization bill, section 1062, is due.
08/08/08 — NNSA delivered to Congress a report on using existing pits for the
RRW program, required by P.L. 110-181, FY2008 National Defense
Authorization Act, section 3121.
05/22/08 — The House defeated, 145-271, H.Amdt. 1052 to H.R. 5658, the
FY2009 defense authorization bill, to add $10.0 million to NNSA’s
budget for RRW.
05/16/08 — The House Armed Services Committee reported H.R. 5658, the
Duncan Hunter National Defense Authorization Act for FY2009.
05/05/08 — The Secretaries of Defense and Energy transmitted “Report on the
Feasibility and Implementation of the Reliable Replacement Warhead
Program” to Congress. Congress required the report in the FY2006
National Defense Authorization Act, P.L. 108-163, Section 3111.
12/26/07 — President Bush signed P.L. 110-161, FY2008 Consolidated
Appropriations Act, into law. The measure contains no NNSA funds
to develop RRW.
12/12/07 — The House agreed to the conference report on H.R. 1585, the defense
authorization bill, 370-49.
12/06/07 — The conference report on H.R. 1585, the national defense
authorization bill, was ordered to be printed. It contains several
provisions on RRW, as described above.
11/06/07 — Conferees on the Department of Defense appropriations bill filed
their report, which included $15.0 million for the Navy for RRW.
09/28/07 — NNSA delivered to Congress a JASON report on RRW that was
required by the House Appropriations Committee’s report on FY2007
energy and water appropriations.
09/14/07 — The Senate Appropriations Committee reported H.R. 3222, the
Department of Defense Appropriations Bill.
07/17/07 — The House passed the FY2008 Energy and Water Development
Appropriations Bill, 312-112, leaving RRW provisions unchanged.
07/09/07 — The Senate Appropriations Committee reported S. 1751, the Energy
and Water Development Bill.
http://__._/wiki/CRS-RL32929
CRS-53
06/06/07 — The House Appropriations Committee marked up the FY2008 Energy
and Water Development Appropriations Bill. The committee
recommended eliminating NNSA funds for RRW and directed the
Administration to prepare a comprehensive nuclear planning
assessment, which it views “as a necessary condition before
considering additional funding for Complex 2030 and RRW
activities.”
05/25/07 — The Senate Armed Services Committee’s mark of S. 567, FY2008
National Defense Authorization Bill, reduced the total RRW request
(NNSA and Navy) by $43 million and limited FY2008 activities for
the RRW program to Phase 2A activities.
05/23/07 — The House Energy and Water Development Appropriations
Subcommittee’s mark of the FY2008 Energy and Water Development
Appropriations Bill eliminated NNSA funds for RRW.
05/17/07 — The House passed H.R. 1585, the FY2008 defense authorization bill,
397-27. The bill reduced RRW funding for by $20.0 million and for
the Navy by $25.0 million, kept the program for the first RRW in
Phase 2A for FY2008, and required several studies related to RRW.
04/24/07 — The American Association for the Advancement of Science released
a report, “The United States Nuclear Weapons Program: The Role of
the Reliable Replacement Warhead.”
03/02/07 — NNSA announced that the Nuclear Weapons Council selected the
design by Livermore and Sandia-California as the winner of the RRW
design competition.
03/01/07 — The Secretary of Energy and Secretary of Defense are to submit a
final report to congressional defense committees on feasibility and
implementation of the RRW program, as required by P.L. 109-163,
FY2006 National Defense Authorization Act, Section 3111.
02/18/07 — A committee of the American Association for the Advancement of
Science delivered an interim progress report, “The United States
Nuclear Weapons Program: The Role of the Reliable Replacement
Warhead.”
01/31/07 — NNSA released its “Report on the Plan for Transformation of the
National Nuclear Security Administration Nuclear Weapons
Complex,” as required by P.L. 109-364, the FY2007 National
Defense Authorization Act, Section 3111. An objective of the plan
is “To prepare to produce replacement warheads under the Reliable
Replacement Warhead program....”

And the last push from the Bush White House was when Bush followed by McCain tried to start a war with Russia over Goergia. Why would a war with Russia cause us to begin playing with nukes again. Because the treaty for nuclear prolifieration and arms reduction is with Russia not any other country. It is scary when you think all the pushing from Bush on new programs for nuclear weapons was based on the fact that he wanted to create mininukes that he could use to target terrorist. I could only imagine what the world would be like if he got his way with that. He would of set off mininukes all over the world.