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Originally posted by whatukno
kozmo, obviously, you have zero idea what is in the health care law do you?
Perhaps you can point to us from the law itself exactly how patients will be killed by the merciless government.
Now I am not talking about some right winger website, I am talking straight from the law itself.
Course you won't do that, it's too hard, you won't be able to back up any of your fear-mongering with actual facts.
Here, I will even provide you the link so you can prove yourself. Instead of just fear mongering something that is now law.
Now you can prove how horrible and god awful this bill is and how every American will die because of it.
[edit on 3/29/2010 by whatukno]
Originally posted by kozmo
Here a few examples of what the healthcare system is destined to become:
Dying Patient Denied Drink of Water
Another Man Dies Begging For Water
Apparently they now have to ration even the water that patients drink!
As someone born in the U.K., a country with a “single-payer” healthcare system that is founded on the principle, “Healthcare should be free at the point of delivery”, I would rather be sick in the U.K. than in the USA. That’s because I don’t have health insurance – and that’s because the cost of catastrophic health insurance – the only type I would consider, since I don’t wish to insure what I can underwrite myself – would be so high for me here that I (uneasily) prefer to take the gamble of not having it. The gamble is more of a calculated risk as I am very good with diet and exercise. Of course, I can imagine being in a car accident, but for now at least, I cannot imagine getting that sick.
The fact that I would much rather be sick in England than the USA today would make a hypocrite of me if I were to say that the American healthcare system of yesterday was better than England’s socialized system.
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I particularly like that last one. How dare those people seek the advice of a doctor when ill!?!? That right there smacks of rationing care!
Now, what's this!? CUTS to be made in the UK's healthcare programs???
Public Healthcare Faces Major Problems!
This next one is a good example of what happens when the government runs not only healthcare, but disability. These patients, with serious health problems, are simply rushed back to work so that the government won't have to provide disability pay - despite the fact that these people have genuine problems.
Many People Wrongly Judged Fit to Work
There is history to learn from; examples of what NOT to do. Yet somehow we seem to being working toward doing what is being proven to NOT work in other countries. Are we really that stupid???
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by chorizo4
There is mention of "comparative care" somewhere in the bill. Which bill should we look at?
Now that it's law, well, there is only one law to look at. So time to look it up.
A day after Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., and ten other House members compromised on their pro-life position to deliver the necessary yes-votes to pass health care reform, the "Stupak 11" released their fiscal year 2011 earmark requests, which total more than $3.4 billion--an average of $314 million worth of earmark requests for each lawmaker. *
Of the eight lawmakers whose 2010 requests were available for comparison, five requested more money this week than they did a year ago: Rep. Jerry Costello, D-Ill., Rep. Kathy Dahlkemper, D-Pa., Rep. Joe Donnelly, D-Ind., Brad Ellsworth, D-Ind., and Rep. Charles Wilson, D-Ohio.
Despite a newly enacted ban on earmarks to for-profit firms, Stupak requested a total of $52 million for companies in his district out of the $65.9 million he requested from the Defense Appropriations bill.