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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Who cares whether this is new or not? I am asking a simple question, and now already I am being accused of some other motive.
What I am saying simply is that at this time I cannot trust that my county sheriff or local police, or anyone else for this matter, to present any kind of buffer zone, or last line of defense, between the feds and me. I can't trust they will protect me from the feds if the feds decide that because of my posts on ATS, for example, I am labeled as a terrorist- and am to be rounded up for indefinite detention under FISA laws or the Patriot Act, or whatever.
But this doesn't just apply to me. It applies to every single one of you, too. You can't trust your local law enforcement to do this for you either. So the question remains:
When Are Local Law Enforcement Going to Start Demanding to See Sealed Federal Warrants?
(1) Warrant. The form of the warrant shall be as provided in Rule 4(c)(1) except that it shall be signed by the clerk, it shall describe the offense charged in the indictment or information and it shall command that the defendant be arrested and brought before the nearest available magistrate judge. The amount of bail may be fixed by the court and endorsed on the warrant.
(b) Probable cause. The finding of probable cause may be based upon hearsay evidence in whole or in part.
(1) Warrant. The warrant shall be signed by the magistrate judge and shall contain the name of the defendant or, if the defendant's name is unknown, any name or description by which the defendant can be identified with reasonable certainty. It shall describe the offense charged in the complaint. It shall command that the defendant be arrested and brought before the nearest available magistrate judge.
A formal accusation of a felony, issued by a grand jury after considering evidence presented by a prosecutor. The formal charge issued by a grand jury stating that there is enough evidence that the defendant committed the crime to justify having a trial; it is used primarily for felonies.
Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by TrueAmerican
So, they had a grand jury set up. This is really meant to start it I think. If they had a grand jury set up, how many more sealed warrants do they have?
Also, they need to give the evidence provided.
On militia radio, they are going over the muslim connection and the hearsay crap. I am still thinking this is something bigger than meets the eye.
U.S. Attorney McQuade said, “Because the Hutaree had planned a covert reconnaissance operation for April which had the potential of placing an unsuspecting member of the public at risk, the safety of the public and of the law enforcement community demanded intervention at this time."
Andrew Arena, FBI Special Agent in Charge, said, "This is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society. The FBI takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States. The FBI would like to thank our federal, state, and local law enforcement partners who are member of the Joint Terrorism Task Force, for their assistance in this case."
As of this morning, eight of the nine defendants are in custody and seven of them will be making their initial appearance before United States Magistrate Judge Donald A. Scheer at 10 a.m. Joshua Stone is currently a fugitive. Any person with information as to the whereabouts of this individual should contact the Federal Bureau of Investigation at (313) 965-2323.
The charge of seditious conspiracy carries a statutory maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction carries a statutory maximum penalty of life in prison, Teaching the use of explosives materials carriers a statutory maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence carries a mandatory minium penalty of at least five years in prison.
An indictment is only a charge and is not evidence of guilt. A defendant is entitled to a fair trial in which it will be the government's burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
The case was investigated by special agents of the FBI and the Michigan State Police.
Originally posted by loveguy
Lots of good useful information here.
I have a question though...
The foreigners entering prior to Sep. 11, 01;
If the Feds knew about them, as it is well known those terrorists had tails all the while leading up to that fateful day, why no grand jury indictment against those individuals? Who are the feds really gunning for? Why?